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Old Apr 20th 2005, 10:24 am
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Many times over the past few months we have been hearing about bad and inaccurate advice being given to people wanting professional help in their quest to emigrate to Canada.

Whether they be immigration consultants or lawyers, it appears that many of them are simply not doing their job properly.

From what I have read they, and quite a few other immigration specialists and lawyers (Andrew Miller, Jim, PMM I am not including you in this as you have always been totally honest and professional in your postings) seem to be downright unscrupulous and unprofessional in their actions. Whether their incorrect assessments are being made through ignorance, or because they think we are easy money is for others to decide.

At the end of the day it is your well earned money and your future life and expectations that they are playing with, just to make a quick buck and line their own pockets.

It seems that once they have got your money and done their initial bit, they do not want to know you anymore.

As Andrew Miller said on a previous thread it may be a good idea to warn others of such "specialists"

For the sake of all others I do think that anyone who has had a bad experience, should let others know by NAMING AND SHAMING THEM, so that other would be applicants can avoid them like the plague

On the other hand, if you have dealt with a Consultant/Lawyer who has done a good professional job in your case, give them praise and name them (positively)

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Old Apr 20th 2005, 12:06 pm
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For me my initial fling with a "Specialist" was with Campbell and Cohen at www.canadavisa.com......The points when I wanted to apply were 75, I was one point under with 74. and assessing myself where I could get this extra point from, I found that I either: 1. Had to have family in Canada 2. Needed Employment or job offer and 3. Needed to prove my language ability in French to Basic.

None of these I could fulfill, however they badgered me with emails and basically stated that "There was more than one way to skin a cat"......So having glazed eyes and the desire to go to Canada we opted for them....The next email stated that to proceed we'd need to stump up CAD$500....FOOLISHLY We did.

Get this.... the next email after funds had been cleared, stated that in order to qualify for this extra 1 point I would need to fulfill either (above) 2 or 3.....I was FURIOUS as I knew this already...I didn't need to fork out CAD$500 for the privilage.......

In the end we did everything ourselves..... I gained Quals in FRENCH...but didn't need them because the points dropped to 67......and I still have not got back my CAD$500 from the TW*TS!!! I have however been in touch with that new body that oversees the registration of Lawyers and made a complaint, which is currently been looked into...

Anyway thats my personal experience.....Someone is bound to say that they are lovely....but as I have stated I had trouble with them, and I think that they are to be put into the same bracket as the ones who told that guy his Quals were fine...yet he or she gets refused because of them.....

A Good Thread.....Needs to be done for the Benefit of others......

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POSITIVE PRAISE

I would like to praise Colin R Singer http://www.immigration.ca/

They drew up a very good contract at the begining, supported me through all the pocesses, sent for some extra documentation where they thought my case could be made stronger. took payments in three stages. stage one to process and submit, stage 2 on AOR and final stage if I got through to the medicals. The also wrote a fantastic covering letter for me to go with my application ending it with the following paragraph

In the event that the number of points awarded do not reflect favourably on the outcome of this assessment, and pursuant to section 76(3) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, we would kindly request consideration for the exercise of substituted positive discretion concluding that the applicant will likely economically succeed in Canada.

I got an interview waiver and passports are being stamped/thingy glued in.

They were always happy to talk on the phone and responded well to e-mails. They accepted fax's with originals to follow in the post. The only criticism I have of the process is the time it took and that is not down to them.

Originally Posted by Gray C
Many times over the past few months we have been hearing about bad and inaccurate advice being given to people wanting professional help in their quest to emigrate to Canada.

Whether they be immigration consultants or lawyers, it appears that many of them are simply not doing their job properly.

From what I have read they, and quite a few other immigration specialists and lawyers (Andrew Miller, Jim, PMM I am not including you in this as you have always been totally honest and professional in your postings) seem to be downright unscrupulous and unprofessional in their actions. Whether their incorrect assessments are being made through ignorance, or because they think we are easy money is for others to decide.

At the end of the day it is your well earned money and your future life and expectations that they are playing with, just to make a quick buck and line their own pockets.

It seems that once they have got your money and done their initial bit, they do not want to know you anymore.

As Andrew Miller said on a previous thread it may be a good idea to warn others of such "specialists"

For the sake of all others I do think that anyone who has had a bad experience, should let others know by NAMING AND SHAMING THEM, so that other would be applicants can avoid them like the plague

On the other hand, if you have dealt with a Consultant/Lawyer who has done a good professional job in your case, give them praise and name them (positively)
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Originally Posted by Gray C
Many times over the past few months we have been hearing about bad and inaccurate advice being given to people wanting professional help in their quest to emigrate to Canada.

Whether they be immigration consultants or lawyers, it appears that many of them are simply not doing their job properly.

From what I have read they, and quite a few other immigration specialists and lawyers (Andrew Miller, Jim, PMM I am not including you in this as you have always been totally honest and professional in your postings) seem to be downright unscrupulous and unprofessional in their actions. Whether their incorrect assessments are being made through ignorance, or because they think we are easy money is for others to decide.

At the end of the day it is your well earned money and your future life and expectations that they are playing with, just to make a quick buck and line their own pockets.

It seems that once they have got your money and done their initial bit, they do not want to know you anymore.

As Andrew Miller said on a previous thread it may be a good idea to warn others of such "specialists"

For the sake of all others I do think that anyone who has had a bad experience, should let others know by NAMING AND SHAMING THEM, so that other would be applicants can avoid them like the plague

On the other hand, if you have dealt with a Consultant/Lawyer who has done a good professional job in your case, give them praise and name them (positively)
A word to the wise though, careful what you say.... http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...ighlight=libel
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Originally Posted by Calgal
A word to the wise though, careful what you say.... http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...ighlight=libel
Yep, wise advise. Crucifying anyone in public through an " anonymous " forum is not a good idea. It is ethical wrong not to give the accused the chance to defend themself.
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well mines true!!! but thanks for the advice.
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David Cohen has answered posts on here before.................. so maybe he will get the chance to defend his company....

I experienced the same problems as Frankieforehead..............

If I was going to buy a car I would read as many opinions on it as I could get before parting with my money...................... so I can't see why is it an issue in this case..............If a company gets a bad name through whatever means.................9 times out of 10 there is good reason for it.

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Originally Posted by juliusmaximus
Yep, wise advise. Crucifying anyone in public through an " anonymous " forum is not a good idea. It is ethical wrong not to give the accused the chance to defend themself.
Just my 2 cents.
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If a complaint is true, I think it is justified to air your complaints in a forum like this. Let's face it, isn't this what "Which" do on the public's behalf?

To my mind there are too many unscrupulous immigration consultants out there, deliberately ripping people off.

Yes, I agree that they should be able to defend themselves, but I suspect many will not, because they cannot honestly justify there actions.




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David Cohen has answered posts on here before.................. so maybe he will get the chance to defend his company....

I experienced the same problems as Frankieforehead..............

If I was going to buy a car I would read as many opinions on it as I could get before parting with my money...................... so I can't see why is it an issue in this case..............If a company gets a bad name through whatever means.................9 times out of 10 there is good reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Gray C
If a complaint is true, I think it is justified to air your complaints in a forum like this. Let's face it, isn't this what "Which" do on the public's behalf?

To my mind there are too many unscrupulous immigration consultants out there, deliberately ripping people off.

Yes, I agree that they should be able to defend themselves, but I suspect many will not, because they cannot honestly justify there actions.
a commendable thread to start Gray....
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Originally Posted by Gray C
If a complaint is true, I think it is justified to air your complaints in a forum like this. Let's face it, isn't this what "Which" do on the public's behalf?

To my mind there are too many unscrupulous immigration consultants out there, deliberately ripping people off.

Yes, I agree that they should be able to defend themselves, but I suspect many will not, because they cannot honestly justify there actions.
I Agree....For me this "Bad" experience that I had, Undoubtedly put me off employing a consultant for what is one of the most important decisions that i have made in my life. Luckily Things have turned out alright, but I could have quite easily fallen foul of the system from making an error.
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Originally Posted by Calgal
A word to the wise though, careful what you say.... http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...ighlight=libel
I understand your concerns, but weighing the risk of a consultant being injustly discredited against the risk of an applicant falling prey to a "shark" I personally come to the conclusion that I find it OK to post these bad experiences.

Between "friends " which I consider most of us on here to be in a rather electronic way the exchange of these experiences seems natural and justified.

You do have a point however to remind us that these are all single and subjective opinions and not necessarily representative for all dealings of a certain company/consultant.

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I understand your concerns, but weighing the risk of a consultant being injustly discredited against the risk of an applicant falling prey to a "shark" I personally come to the conclusion that I find it OK to post these bad experiences.

Between "friends " which I consider most of us on here to be in a rather electronic way the exchange of these experiences seems natural and justified.

You do have a point however to remind us that these are all single and subjective opinions and not necessarily representative for all dealings of a certain company/consultant.

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No worries I quite agree - I would like nothing better than to see them 'hung drawn and quartered' in public Just would HATE to see anyone landing in trouble as a result (I mean, who can afford to 'fight' a lawyer? )
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perhaps another lawyer (£180 per hour)

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No worries I quite agree - I would like nothing better than to see them 'hung drawn and quartered' in public Just would HATE to see anyone landing in trouble as a result (I mean, who can afford to 'fight' a lawyer? )
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And beware of companies offering guaranteed job offers for fees. I found two jobs from the HRDC website and got written offers two weeks later, all done through e-mail and phone calls. Do a little research yourself and you can save beaucoup buccaroos.
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