Being a sucesseful independent Canadian immigrant myself, I was shocked to see the
new selection rules. It is difficult to rationalize what Canada will achive with these new standards. Here are some of the most popular explainations offered: 1. The new standards are implimented to reduce the current backlog. This theory is intresting. Since every application requires a fee to cover the processing costs, the most logical step would be to hire more people to process the backlog. Unless of course, part of the fee are being used for other purposes. In any case, a simple fee hike would have less impact than changing the rules. 2. The new standards raise the quality of immigrants. This approach is highly questionable. A person with no previous Canadian connection or a job offer, but has a PHD degree and 4+ years of experience would still have a hard time qualifying. Is there something wrong with this picture? Let's face it, most immigrants with the aformentioned qualifications would be very productive in Canada, and will likely immigrate somewhere else if Canada will not accept them. Does Canada really gain something by not accepting them? I don't think so. In addition, the new rules' heavy emphasis on education degrees is misguided. This is evident from many sucessful Canadians that do not have a college degree. 3. Canada needs tough immigration standards to screen out potential terriorsts. The new rules may screen out terriorts, but it will not screen out well educated terriorsts. Now that is a terrifying thought. Don't get me wrong, I sure hope Canadian immigration knows what they are doing and it will result in better Canada. But from my point of view, this is going to hurt Canada more than helping. Lampa4 *please excuse my spelling/grammer mistakes* |
This is really a good piece of saying.
With regarding to the new regulation, think about, it seems that, under new propose, Einstein might find hard to immigrate into Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Point well taken.
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> > > Sure, he would fail and would decide to go to Australia instead. Like me, if the rules don't change. > |
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> > > > Then he would go to the States like a lot of h1b holders in the NG, the only difference is that he would not bad-mouth Canada and bitch so much for he is much an intellectual. People who were qualified now not under the new rules have lots of resentment which is even justifiably understandable. However the new policy also opens up a great new spectrum for other occupations that Canada needs as eqaully as IT people. Under old rules as long as you have some kind of computer tag under your belt, then you are almost automatically in and how fair was that??? Now you don't hear people talk about that often in this NG, eh? Canada may need IT people, but we also need more nurses and teachers for examples whom were totally denied the chance coming to Canada before the new rules. Besides, most of the IT people in this NG already have the H1b status in the States, they are just not happy because they no longer can use Canada as a stepping stone as easy as before. Even thought I hope the government will refund the money to applicants who applied under old rules, something tells me that it will still leave room for critism. And I would ask these people to be honest and ask themselves: Really, when you applied under the old rules, did you apply to use Canada as a stepping stone or you genuinely applied to immigrate? Because it is always easier to critize the government and sometimes rightly so, but sometimes you know you did it to youselve. What if by 1 of 1 billionth chance that the government would to say that all applicants applied before new rules would be all accepted as long as they qualify under the old rules,(You would like that idea, wouldn't you? Fat chance!) we would still see people come back to this NG ask stupid questions over and over again such as 183 days rules or 730 days rules because their heart is simply not in Canada and they simply just use Canada so they can go back to the US. Hey, I don't see these people critize and complaint much to the US immigration NG which is so strange because it is the US gives you h1b and lets you go after years of hard work and paying US taxes, not Canada. Why don't you ask US to change their immigration policy with such zeal as you do in this NG?? |
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> > How are you so sure about that? ;) > > > Actually CIC needed to update their occupation list to adjust to their needs. True, we don't need that many IT people anymore. But we don't need any "this or that" graduates as well. That was the whole point of having the GOL list where Canada could bring in people in high demand. But the problem was they never bothered to update the list and were using almost obsolete list. > > > > I guess people don't ask because they realize that that's not gonna happen. Due to their economic condition US can attract people without offering immigration visa (and of course they are already saturated with immigrants and don't need that many anymore). Nobody here is asking to change Canada's immigration policy either. Most of them are bitching about is that they way the new system it is being implemented here. Some of them have quite strong points as well. Personally I don't see the new rule is going help Canada to get a brighter future too. |
Everyone wants to improve the quality of life and that is the main reason people
emmigrate to Canada. It was true in my case and it is most probably true in our case too. People born and raised in a different culture feel better in their native environment and the reason they emmigrate ( and not seek refugee status or political asylum) to another country is mostly economical. I personally do not see any harm in trying to earn more money in US for the same work you do in Canada. What you are advocating here is contrary to the human nature - to refuse to aspire to what is better for you. I know that many Canadians try to find jobs in US and it is funny to think that recent immigrant would consider them less Canadians than himself for this very reason. I also do not think that people asking questions about 183 or 730 day rules are asking stupid questions. I highly doubt that these questions are asked by the same people and the fact that these questions are repeated simply means there is a constant influx of new users in this NG who are confused by the regulation and need clarification that many experts kindly provide. I personally consider this NG more of an invaluable source of information and less of an arena for political and moral discussions and I would hate to think that my questions are labelled stupid by some fellow recent immigrant who has a sudden fit of newly found Canadian pride. I believe most of the negative comments here are not against the immigration policy of Canada but rather about the unexpected sudden change and retroactive nature of new regulations. If such a sudden change happened in US immigration regulations you would undoubtedly see no less angry, confused and resentful posts in respective NG. George [email protected] (Henrik) [usenetquote2]> > This is really a good piece of saying.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > With regarding to the new regulation, think about, it seems that, under new[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > propose, Einstein might find hard to immigrate into Canada.[/usenetquote2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Mr Henrik has already raised this point under his former nick of (ZULU) and yet he asks the same questions again and again coming under different nicks.Do all his nicks suffer from amnesia as well?
================================================== ================================================== ================= From: L.B. ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Curious as to why so many Indian USA are going to Canada Newsgroups: misc.immigration.canada View: Complete Thread (8 articles) | Original Format Date: 2001-05-29 18:15:35 PST The most important reason has been described in the New York Times article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/29/te...gy/29VISA.html Article explains hopeless situation of H1B holders in general, regardless of their ethnicity. But article doesn't say why the majority of those H1 visa holders who apply for Canadian PR are Indians and other citizens of Commonwealth countries from Indian subcontinent. There are few reasons why they are applying for Canadian PR and you may draw your own conclusions from reading thousands of posts in this group, but I see the following pattern (and I know that it will draw a lot of angry replies from Canadian immigration system abusers): Majority of them honestly apply for Canadian PR and really want to live in Canada, although there is a large number among them who are using Canada as a stepping stone to US or just a security in the case they will not get US Green Cards. Their intention is to enter US again (citizens of Commonwealth countries who are Canadian PR don't need visa to enter US) and live there. Others do it to be able to sponsor their parents - they cannot sponsor parents to US without becoming US PR first, so they apply for Canadian PR and soon after formally becoming Canadian PR they sponsor their parents. In reality they continue living and working in the US, their parents after landing in Canada are crossing border (no visa required) to live with them in US and visit Canada only when free medical service is needed as they in most cases have no chance for medical insurance in US. Pure and simple abuse of Canadian system and Canadian taxpayers. I don't really blame them for doing what they do - they try to have the cake and eat it too, and as long as Canadian immigration system is open for abuse it will be abused. But lately more and more abusers are being caught and many of them are losing both, Canadian PR and whatever status they have in US... ================================================== ================================================== ================== |
Henrik Repeats AGAIN!!!!
Mr Henrik has already raised this point under his former nick of (ZULU) and yet he asks the same questions again and again coming under different nicks.Do all his nicks suffer from amnesia as well?
================================================== ================================================== ================= From: L.B. ([email protected]) Subject: Re: Curious as to why so many Indian USA are going to Canada Newsgroups: misc.immigration.canada View: Complete Thread (8 articles) | Original Format Date: 2001-05-29 18:15:35 PST The most important reason has been described in the New York Times article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/29/te...gy/29VISA.html Article explains hopeless situation of H1B holders in general, regardless of their ethnicity. But article doesn't say why the majority of those H1 visa holders who apply for Canadian PR are Indians and other citizens of Commonwealth countries from Indian subcontinent. There are few reasons why they are applying for Canadian PR and you may draw your own conclusions from reading thousands of posts in this group, but I see the following pattern (and I know that it will draw a lot of angry replies from Canadian immigration system abusers): Majority of them honestly apply for Canadian PR and really want to live in Canada, although there is a large number among them who are using Canada as a stepping stone to US or just a security in the case they will not get US Green Cards. Their intention is to enter US again (citizens of Commonwealth countries who are Canadian PR don't need visa to enter US) and live there. Others do it to be able to sponsor their parents - they cannot sponsor parents to US without becoming US PR first, so they apply for Canadian PR and soon after formally becoming Canadian PR they sponsor their parents. In reality they continue living and working in the US, their parents after landing in Canada are crossing border (no visa required) to live with them in US and visit Canada only when free medical service is needed as they in most cases have no chance for medical insurance in US. Pure and simple abuse of Canadian system and Canadian taxpayers. I don't really blame them for doing what they do - they try to have the cake and eat it too, and as long as Canadian immigration system is open for abuse it will be abused. But lately more and more abusers are being caught and many of them are losing both, Canadian PR and whatever status they have in US... ================================================== ================================================== ================== |
Henrik checking people's I.P
From: Henrik ([email protected])
Subject: Re: I want to go to Canada. Help me, please! Newsgroups: misc.immigration.canada View this article only Date: 2002-01-09 12:59:13 PST <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Henrik wags his tail to his Master >>>> For someone who is not even living in Canada right now, you sure know how to push your own agenda. P.S. Mr. Andrew Miller, you should be proud of me, I checked his IP address this time.:)) |
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> > > > > > > > I agree but think about this, under the old rules the applicant was almost guaranteed in as long as that individual had some kind of computer background. And I wouldn't think just because an individual had some comupter experience that he/she would be successful in Canada (proven in this NG)but yet that was the law. I would agree that it's brutal about the high new pass mark 80 but didn't Mr. Miller say that it still depends on the discretion of the immigration officer(s) on a per case base? Besides, I would guess the new rules may have meant to discourage people using Canada as a stepping stone to the States when now they would need at least 4 years work experience to score 25 which is much harder for h1b holders from the US. Canada can't have a brighter future if we thought we had a certain amount of immigrants but they vanished soon after their landing. Any non-Americans working in the States and claims that that is for the betterment of their life finanically, ususally also have their US immigration status pending. Sure there are Canadians trying to get a job in the US, but vise visa. Especially after Sept.11, more Canadian are packing home and more Americans considering to be Canadian PR/Citizen. Do you know now in the airport more Americans put Canadain flag stickers on their luggage and claim to be Canadain and only American again until they are "safe"? Hey, sometimes you just can't have the cake and eat it too. So you either want the powerful US dollars or you want a quality life in Canada... Stop hopping back and forth becasuse sooner or later, you'd get yourself screwed right in the middle. |
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[usenetquote2]> > First of all, I am not a H1b holder, neither IT people. In fact, I do think there[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > is good aspects of the new regulation, but to set the pass mark as 80, without[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > distinguishing different experience, it might reject some potential good[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > applicants, but allow someones who appear to be good, to pass. Do you realize[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > that most of people might score very same points if they have Master/PhD with[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > 4-year work experience (no matter where and at which circumstance)? and yet they[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > could be very different in term of success in Canada. don't you think it might be[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > better if the new regulation can somehow reflect the difference here?[/usenetquote2] > > > > > > > > This "discretion" would most likely be used to deny qualified immigrants instead of used to accept underqualified immigrants. Even if it is not used to deny qualified immigrants, this harsh 80 point system would need a lot of "discretion" to make the system acceptable. Another issue will be raised with "discretion" power, who is it to say that the "discretion" will be more fair than the point system? There is a lot of potential for personal abuse here (e.g. bribe, discrimination, and etc.) An earlier post also pointed out that the point system should have been evolutionalized rather than revolutionalized. The computer skill problem you've described could have been effectively mitigated by strengthen the occupation part of the qualifying procedure. In other words, don't throw out the whole system just because only parts of it needs fixing. > > > Huh? What is wrong with people looking out for their own best interest? So if they are not using Canada as a stepping stone, they will not be contributing to Canada either, however short they stay here. In other words, they will find other stepping stone in which Canada will not benefit one bit. I would not be surprised that a significant portion of people who originally wanted to use Canada as a "stepping stone" ended up staying because they loved this country too much to leave. If you are right and they are trying to target these people by changing the point system; the likely result if they are sucesseful will provide no additional benefit and possible great harm for Canada since the new system will squander valuable human resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to dislike the idea of people having close ties in Canada and US (or other country). I personally don't see anything wrong with having close ties in Canada and US since the ties ultimately spreads Canadian cultures to other countries too. Canada is a globlized country and we cannot stuck our head in the sand. If you are refering to people who are PR of Canada but never lived here, I don't see anything wrong with that either since they are not using any of Canada's resources. As matter of fact, they are likely contributing to Canada since they'll have to pay taxes on their global income. Sure, there are lots of items need to be fixed in the older system. But at least the older system is still way better for Canada than the new system. We should be fighting for a fair immigration standard, not fighting to disqualify more people. |
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> > > > > > > > > I agree, but if their heart is not for Canada, I rather for them to pick a different country in the first place. Let people who really want come to Canada come and be happy for their decison. Not for people who only come to Canada because their US status run out and thus using Canada to buy time to get back to the US. > > > You are joking, right? What the hell is Candadian culture? Seriously I would like to know the very core of Canadian identity especially in North America today. Besides, using Canada as a stepping stone to the US is very different than someone who has close ties to both countries. Canada is part of NAFTA, we are bound to have close ties with the US and I am fine with that. Thank you. > sand. If you > don't see > > > That is the exact problem, if people don't live in Canada and don't use any Canadain resources why even bother to be a Canadian PR in the first place??? Let along the Canadain culture you were talking about, DUH!!! You see, I don't necessarily agree with the new cruel pass mark system but I do have an issue with people using Canada as a stepping stone to the US. Period. I think all the h1b holders should march to Washington and demand to be counted as a productive member of US society (working there, living there and paying taxes)so that they wouldn't have to use Canada as a back-up plan and become so bitter and critical of Canada when things don't work out for them in the US. |
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