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Old Oct 1st 2006, 12:22 am
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Default Mutual consolation thread for Sep 04 AORs

Thought those with a Sep 04 AOR could use this thread to post cheery messages of support to each other and to let us all know when someone hears something!!!

My story: see timeline in signature. Currently dying to hand in my notice at work, as I have to give 3 months. No sign of being asked to update my file or to go for medicals as yet, but we would like to be in Canada by Jan 2007 if possible. The question is (and I have been agonising over this for nearly a month now) - I need to resign tomorrow if I want to leave my job by the last day of December - do I do it or do I stick it out for a bit longer???

So what are your dilemmas as you wait for news?

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Old Oct 1st 2006, 3:07 am
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Thought those with a Sep 04 AOR could use this thread to post cheery messages of support to each other and to let us all know when someone hears something!!!

My story: see timeline in signature. Currently dying to hand in my notice at work, as I have to give 3 months. No sign of being asked to update my file or to go for medicals as yet, but we would like to be in Canada by Jan 2007 if possible. The question is (and I have been agonising over this for nearly a month now) - I need to resign tomorrow if I want to leave my job by the last day of December - do I do it or do I stick it out for a bit longer???

So what are your dilemmas as you wait for news?

Cheers
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Ahh yes, chin up, not long now....

Conitinue with your job, just see it as 3 more months of guaranteed income and opporutinity to save and use the internet at work. As for 3 months notice, my employer is the same, contracted to give 3 months notice, but in reality this can be negotiated down to 4-6 weeks. Most employer's would be foolish to hang onto someone for 3 months, after all, the employee will not be trying for "employee of the month". I did hear once, that legally your employer can only keep you for the duration of your pay period, so if your paid monthly, that's a month's notice required. Not sure if this is true, any employment law specialists out there ?

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PS Aug 2004 AORs first please....
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I did hear once, that legally your employer can only keep you for the duration of your pay period, so if your paid monthly, that's a month's notice required. Not sure if this is true, any employment law specialists out there ?
Sorry to burst your bubble but this is bull - OP should just try and negotiate

If you are contracted to give a certain notice period then that is what you have to give - in theory.

Whether employer would do anything in practice is another thing but you don't know when you will need references etc.

I would give the notice and then see what you can negotiate "do you really want to be paying me all this money when my heart won't be in it" sort of thing.

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You have a pretty much identical timeline to us. I would not resign yet. There is every chance that there will be some further delay - I would guess, if we are lucky, we will get meds requests in late November or early December. We will not get PR until early next year, which means March/April to be fully ready to go is very realistic. It could be quicker, but don't hold your breath.

Furthermore, the medicals are not a slam dunk, there are (a very small number) of people who have had something come up in medicals which invalidates the whole process. If that were to happen would you want to be out of your current job? Does it give you medical coverage? All worst case stuff, but you never know...

On my side, I should have a Work Permit for the winter season here in Canada, taking me to mid-April, so I am crossing my fingers that we will be done by then, but I'm thinking that it is touch and go, to be honest.
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Default Re: Mutual consolation thread for Sep 04 AORs

Originally Posted by Flossie and Jim
Thought those with a Sep 04 AOR could use this thread to post cheery messages of support to each other and to let us all know when someone hears something!!!

My story: see timeline in signature. Currently dying to hand in my notice at work, as I have to give 3 months. No sign of being asked to update my file or to go for medicals as yet, but we would like to be in Canada by Jan 2007 if possible. The question is (and I have been agonising over this for nearly a month now) - I need to resign tomorrow if I want to leave my job by the last day of December - do I do it or do I stick it out for a bit longer???

So what are your dilemmas as you wait for news?

Cheers
Flossie
I personally would stay as long as I could, then if you give notice later and say you are joining an Important competitor to them you are likely to be chucked out of the building immediately with 3 months garden leave and paid Depends on your job though
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Sorry to burst your bubble but this is bull - OP should just try and negotiate
It may be bull in your company, but that doesn't mean OP's company is a rigid as yours. You tend to get more from your employer's if you are up front, personally you have nothing to lose but everything to gain. Most people in our office are contracted for 3 months notice, but when it comes to resignation, they all seem to negotiate between 4-6 weeks. I'm not saying all employers are the same, but if you don't ask you don't get, why would they want to employ someone who just wants to leave ? Employers would rather have an employee on a productive 6 weeks notice than an angry 3 monther...
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It may be bull in your company, but that doesn't mean OP's company is a rigid as yours. You tend to get more from your employer's if you are up front, personally you have nothing to lose but everything to gain. Most people in our office are contracted for 3 months notice, but when it comes to resignation, they all seem to negotiate between 4-6 weeks. I'm not saying all employers are the same, but if you don't ask you don't get, why would they want to employ someone who just wants to leave ? Employers would rather have an employee on a productive 6 weeks notice than an angry 3 monther...
Who said anything about my company ? Your orginal reply stated "...legally..." Legally, what you said is bull. There is a massive difference between being "contracted for 3 months notice" and "negotiat[ing] between 4-6 weeks."

I agree with everything that you have said except for the "legally" bit - if you disagree then please let me know what legal authority you are relying upon as, in 12 years of legal practice, I have never come across it
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Default Re: Mutual consolation thread for Sep 04 AORs

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It may be bull in your company, but that doesn't mean OP's company is a rigid as yours. You tend to get more from your employer's if you are up front, personally you have nothing to lose but everything to gain. Most people in our office are contracted for 3 months notice, but when it comes to resignation, they all seem to negotiate between 4-6 weeks. I'm not saying all employers are the same, but if you don't ask you don't get, why would they want to employ someone who just wants to leave ? Employers would rather have an employee on a productive 6 weeks notice than an angry 3 monther...

Think it all depends on what level you are in the company and how quickly they can find a replacement..........If your a director of a company you would probably be put on gardening leave straight away as you could be very damaging to the business if moving to a competitor. If your a scumbag like me, my company would keep me on so they could get every hour I owe them out of me. ................Just my input from what I have seen in the employment world.
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Old Oct 2nd 2006, 6:14 am
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Originally Posted by Dying to leave England
Who said anything about my company ? Your orginal reply stated "...legally..." Legally, what you said is bull. There is a massive difference between being "contracted for 3 months notice" and "negotiat[ing] between 4-6 weeks."

I agree with everything that you have said except for the "legally" bit - if you disagree then please let me know what legal authority you are relying upon as, in 12 years of legal practice, I have never come across it
Nope no legal authority, just the misuse of a word, apologies.

I was attempting to point out that there may be area to exploit if your pay period and your notice period differ and that anyone with experience in employment law may be able to offer the OP some good advice.
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