Immi Hopeful

Here's my situation.

As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
location.

Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.

Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
soon.

In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.

So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
than CIC?

If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
delay for interview dates in New Zealand?


thanks.

Adhkn

Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
requested in the first place.

Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
me for an interview there.

Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
reduced.

Let see how this plays out


[email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > Here's my situation.
    >
    > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > location.
    >
    > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    >
    > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > soon.
    >
    > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    >
    > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > than CIC?
    >
    > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    >
    >
    > thanks.

David Cohen

In article ,
[email protected] says...
    > Here's my situation.
    >
    > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > location.
    >
    > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    >
    > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > soon.
    >
    > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    >
    > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > than CIC?
    >
    > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?

SIQ offices generally select the venue of processing and the interview
based on the jurisdiction of the applicant. Once the case has been
assigned to a specific location for an interview it would not typically
be possible to request that it be conducted elsewhere.
________
CAMPBELL, COHEN - attorneys at law
tel:514.937.9445 / fax:514.937.2618
[email protected]
http://canadavisa.com

Online Community: http://canadavisa.com/community

Immi Hopeful

thank you for responding

[email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message news:...
    > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > requested in the first place.
    >
    > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > me for an interview there.
    >
    > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > reduced.
    >
    > Let see how this plays out
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > Here's my situation.
    > >
    > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > location.
    > >
    > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > >
    > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > soon.
    > >
    > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > >
    > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > than CIC?
    > >
    > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > >
    > >
    > > thanks.

Immi Hopeful

I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,

thanks for sharing your experiences.

I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
by March 2003!
Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
applicants, admission to canada.

What about border line cases, then?
That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
assessment grid.

So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
the federal court of canada...


[email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message news:...
    > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > requested in the first place.
    >
    > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > me for an interview there.
    >
    > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > reduced.
    >
    > Let see how this plays out
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > Here's my situation.
    > >
    > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > location.
    > >
    > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > >
    > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > soon.
    > >
    > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > >
    > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > than CIC?
    > >
    > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > >
    > >
    > > thanks.

Andrew Miller

Don't count too much on positive substitute evaluation in cases below pass
mark, regardless if it is 10 points below or just 1 point short. We will see
quite opposite (at least for next year or two) - there will be more
applicants with pass mark or above refused on the basis that they have no
chance for successful establishment in Canada.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"immi hopeful" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,
    > thanks for sharing your experiences.
    > I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
    > messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
    > or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
    > start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
    > by March 2003!
    > Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
    > letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
    > applicants, admission to canada.
    > What about border line cases, then?
    > That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
    > selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
    > economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
    > all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
    > application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
    > assessment grid.
    > So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
    > there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
    > the federal court of canada...
    > [email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message
news:...
    > > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > > requested in the first place.
    > >
    > > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > > me for an interview there.
    > >
    > > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > > reduced.
    > >
    > > Let see how this plays out
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message
news:...
    > > > Here's my situation.
    > > >
    > > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > > location.
    > > >
    > > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > > >
    > > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > > soon.
    > > >
    > > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > > >
    > > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > > than CIC?
    > > >
    > > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > thanks.

Mikep

Yes, I have heard the rumours/stories as well but I think that
strictly applies to the Federal System. Remember that Quebec has its
own entirely seperate system and has 10 precious points allocated for
the interview to access personal suitablity. The fact that u have been
called for an interview is by itself a postive as refusal doesn't
reduce the backlog. I would imagine that the CIC person in NZ will be
following the guidlines set by Quebec.

Obviously a successful Quebec interview requires a different set of
skills than the Federal System. Ability to communicate and love for
the French Langauge, being paramount and a good explanation as to why
you have choosen Quebec. Two people that I have spoken to regarding
the interview have said that the officer simply looks for your
"willingness to speak French." Their interview lasted 10-15 minutes
and the officer stated at the end that the prime reason for calling
them for the interview was to see if they could carry a conversation
in French. Quebec still doesn't have mandatory language testing like
they do have in the federal system. Only spoken and comprehension
abilities are examine.

Well let me know how this pans out





[email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,
    >
    > thanks for sharing your experiences.
    >
    > I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
    > messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
    > or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
    > start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
    > by March 2003!
    > Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
    > letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
    > applicants, admission to canada.
    >
    > What about border line cases, then?
    > That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
    > selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
    > economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
    > all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
    > application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
    > assessment grid.
    >
    > So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
    > there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
    > the federal court of canada...
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message news:...
    > > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > > requested in the first place.
    > >
    > > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > > me for an interview there.
    > >
    > > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > > reduced.
    > >
    > > Let see how this plays out
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > > Here's my situation.
    > > >
    > > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > > location.
    > > >
    > > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > > >
    > > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > > soon.
    > > >
    > > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > > >
    > > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > > than CIC?
    > > >
    > > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > thanks.

Immi Hopeful

thank you for your response sir.

Would you be able to shed some light on the latest delays for
selection interviews in new zealand?


I believe, facing a Que. selection interview with a CIC officer has an
added aspect to it. CIC officers have a history of enforcing
immigration law to the letter, and may not be willing to use positive
discretion in order to approve an application submitted by a
franchophone applicant, destined for Quebec, who falls short of a few
points.

Eventhough the assessment grids are different, a CIC officer who has
never been to quebec, could be expected to view a CSQ application from
a standpoint which differs significantly, from a SIQ officer's.

whereas, a SIQ employee would be analysing the same application on the
basis that, once a franchophone applicant arrives in Quebec, he or she
has a better chance of securing employment in any part of Quebec,
thereby filling the labour shortage in Quebec's rural areas, whilst
the applicant successfully establishes him/herself.


Also, have you heard anything about the number of skilled workers &
immediate family, to be admitted to quebec, beyond 2003?
Is it going to be more than the current 27500, or less?


your responses are appreciated.




David Cohen wrote in message news:...
    > In article ,
    > [email protected] says...
    > > Here's my situation.
    > >
    > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > location.
    > >
    > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > >
    > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > soon.
    > >
    > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > >
    > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > than CIC?
    > >
    > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    >
    > SIQ offices generally select the venue of processing and the interview
    > based on the jurisdiction of the applicant. Once the case has been
    > assigned to a specific location for an interview it would not typically
    > be possible to request that it be conducted elsewhere.
    > ________
    > CAMPBELL, COHEN - attorneys at law
    > tel:514.937.9445 / fax:514.937.2618
    > [email protected]
    > http://canadavisa.com
    >
    > Online Community: http://canadavisa.com/community

Immi Hopeful

thank you for your response sir.

yes, CIC could be expected to clear the current backlog by rejecting
the cases which fall below the pass mark.
but what about applications which exceed the pass mark?

Does the burden then, not fall on the immigraition officer to prove
that although an applicant meets the necessary criteria for admission,
s/he cannot be admitted to canada. Also in that case, is a CIC
officer not required to receive approval from a senior immigration
officer at CIC, in order to reject the application.

additionally, will the federal court of canada uphold the negative
decisions of CIC visa officers, because CIC rejected cases, in order
to simply clear the current backlog.

have you heard of any recent federal court decisions which relate to
this topic?





"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Don't count too much on positive substitute evaluation in cases below pass
    > mark, regardless if it is 10 points below or just 1 point short. We will see
    > quite opposite (at least for next year or two) - there will be more
    > applicants with pass mark or above refused on the basis that they have no
    > chance for successful establishment in Canada.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >
    > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "immi hopeful" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,
    > >
    > > thanks for sharing your experiences.
    > >
    > > I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
    > > messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
    > > or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
    > > start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
    > > by March 2003!
    > > Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
    > > letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
    > > applicants, admission to canada.
    > >
    > > What about border line cases, then?
    > > That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
    > > selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
    > > economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
    > > all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
    > > application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
    > > assessment grid.
    > >
    > > So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
    > > there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
    > > the federal court of canada...
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > > > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > > > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > > > requested in the first place.
    > > >
    > > > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > > > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > > > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > > > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > > > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > > > me for an interview there.
    > > >
    > > > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > > > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > > > reduced.
    > > >
    > > > Let see how this plays out
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > > Here's my situation.
    > > > >
    > > > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > > > location.
    > > > >
    > > > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > > > >
    > > > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > > > soon.
    > > > >
    > > > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > > > >
    > > > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > > > than CIC?
    > > > >
    > > > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > thanks.

Immi Hopeful

thank you for your response mike.

I may be wrong on this, but I believe a selection interview could be
called for a variety of reasons.

With regards, to Que. selection, I believe a CSQ applicant will only
be called for an interview, if

he/she obtains between 50-60 points at the paper screening stage,
therefore 10 points could be granted for personal suitability at an
interview, (applicants obtaining 60 points or more at the
paperscreening stage, excluding personal suitability could be granted
CSQ without an interview.)

and/or reasons exist to prove that an applicant will be able to
successfully establish him/herself in Quebec, from an economic
standpoint, and the applicant has requested for positive discretion,

and/or language skills cannot be determined from the documentation
provided by the applicant

and/or work experience/educational credentials/other issues need to be
discussed with the applicant.

Facing an CSQ interview with a CIC officer has an added aspect,
eventhough the Que assessment grid is different from the federal one,
a CIC officer, especially an officer who has never been to Quebec,
could be expected to import the standpoint/views they would have when
assessing a federal application. If you don't know what I am talking
about, have a look at past federal court decisions, if you have access
to them. their views are mind boggling...

the 15 minute interviews you talk about, I believe were from selection
interviews, which were conducted by SIQ employees.

anyway in my opinion, I think if an applicant applied for a CSQ, s/he
should face an interview with a SIQ employee.



[email protected] (MikeP) wrote in message news:...
    > Yes, I have heard the rumours/stories as well but I think that
    > strictly applies to the Federal System. Remember that Quebec has its
    > own entirely seperate system and has 10 precious points allocated for
    > the interview to access personal suitablity. The fact that u have been
    > called for an interview is by itself a postive as refusal doesn't
    > reduce the backlog. I would imagine that the CIC person in NZ will be
    > following the guidlines set by Quebec.
    >
    > Obviously a successful Quebec interview requires a different set of
    > skills than the Federal System. Ability to communicate and love for
    > the French Langauge, being paramount and a good explanation as to why
    > you have choosen Quebec. Two people that I have spoken to regarding
    > the interview have said that the officer simply looks for your
    > "willingness to speak French." Their interview lasted 10-15 minutes
    > and the officer stated at the end that the prime reason for calling
    > them for the interview was to see if they could carry a conversation
    > in French. Quebec still doesn't have mandatory language testing like
    > they do have in the federal system. Only spoken and comprehension
    > abilities are examine.
    >
    > Well let me know how this pans out
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,
    > >
    > > thanks for sharing your experiences.
    > >
    > > I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
    > > messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
    > > or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
    > > start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
    > > by March 2003!
    > > Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
    > > letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
    > > applicants, admission to canada.
    > >
    > > What about border line cases, then?
    > > That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
    > > selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
    > > economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
    > > all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
    > > application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
    > > assessment grid.
    > >
    > > So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
    > > there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
    > > the federal court of canada...
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message news:...
    > > > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > > > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > > > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > > > requested in the first place.
    > > >
    > > > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > > > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > > > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > > > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > > > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > > > me for an interview there.
    > > >
    > > > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > > > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > > > reduced.
    > > >
    > > > Let see how this plays out
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > > > Here's my situation.
    > > > >
    > > > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > > > location.
    > > > >
    > > > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > > > >
    > > > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > > > soon.
    > > > >
    > > > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > > > >
    > > > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > > > than CIC?
    > > > >
    > > > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > thanks.

Mikep

You have raised some valid points and it is hard to know how the mind
of an CIC officer functions during a Quebec selection.

I do know that unlike the Federal System, the Quebec Selection is not
overwhelmed with applicants or facing a massive backlog, although the
amount of applicants have risen steadily (mostly business applicants
because of the financing schemes available.) This will off course
allow them to be more picky!!!

Note that last year was the first year that Quebec actually managed to
meet their quota for immigrants. More importantly, the proportion of
new immigrants that had any knowledge of French fell short of their
long term target which I believe is slightly over 50%. If they can
have it their way, it will be 100%. Quebec Immigration System has made
it clear that their primary objective in their policy is to attract
Francophones or people who are willing to speak the language. Yes, the
15 minute interviews were carried out by SIQ in Montreal and both of
them had above average French. I know of people that had no knowledge
of French but were very qualified, had no responses after sending in
their preliminary questionaire.

In short, (I am assuming that you speak French) even if the CIC person
is interviewing you or me, being effective in English and French
should help demonstrate you can establish yourself in Canada/Quebec.
So don't sweat it, the only annoying bit is the long wait for the
interview. And if you don't speak French, the CIC person will even
love you more for it. For you, it might be a win win win situation!

Lastly, what was your time line in regards to HK like, starting from
the actual application and not preliminary questionaire.

Mine is as follows

Aug-Actual Application Sent Off
One week later-AOR
Mid November-Please sent us more information including sworn
declarations from a Friend.
Early December-Documents sent off

Good luck

[email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > thank you for your response mike.
    >
    > I may be wrong on this, but I believe a selection interview could be
    > called for a variety of reasons.
    >
    > With regards, to Que. selection, I believe a CSQ applicant will only
    > be called for an interview, if
    >
    > he/she obtains between 50-60 points at the paper screening stage,
    > therefore 10 points could be granted for personal suitability at an
    > interview, (applicants obtaining 60 points or more at the
    > paperscreening stage, excluding personal suitability could be granted
    > CSQ without an interview.)
    >
    > and/or reasons exist to prove that an applicant will be able to
    > successfully establish him/herself in Quebec, from an economic
    > standpoint, and the applicant has requested for positive discretion,
    >
    > and/or language skills cannot be determined from the documentation
    > provided by the applicant
    >
    > and/or work experience/educational credentials/other issues need to be
    > discussed with the applicant.
    >
    > Facing an CSQ interview with a CIC officer has an added aspect,
    > eventhough the Que assessment grid is different from the federal one,
    > a CIC officer, especially an officer who has never been to Quebec,
    > could be expected to import the standpoint/views they would have when
    > assessing a federal application. If you don't know what I am talking
    > about, have a look at past federal court decisions, if you have access
    > to them. their views are mind boggling...
    >
    > the 15 minute interviews you talk about, I believe were from selection
    > interviews, which were conducted by SIQ employees.
    >
    > anyway in my opinion, I think if an applicant applied for a CSQ, s/he
    > should face an interview with a SIQ employee.
    >
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (MikeP) wrote in message news:...
    > > Yes, I have heard the rumours/stories as well but I think that
    > > strictly applies to the Federal System. Remember that Quebec has its
    > > own entirely seperate system and has 10 precious points allocated for
    > > the interview to access personal suitablity. The fact that u have been
    > > called for an interview is by itself a postive as refusal doesn't
    > > reduce the backlog. I would imagine that the CIC person in NZ will be
    > > following the guidlines set by Quebec.
    > >
    > > Obviously a successful Quebec interview requires a different set of
    > > skills than the Federal System. Ability to communicate and love for
    > > the French Langauge, being paramount and a good explanation as to why
    > > you have choosen Quebec. Two people that I have spoken to regarding
    > > the interview have said that the officer simply looks for your
    > > "willingness to speak French." Their interview lasted 10-15 minutes
    > > and the officer stated at the end that the prime reason for calling
    > > them for the interview was to see if they could carry a conversation
    > > in French. Quebec still doesn't have mandatory language testing like
    > > they do have in the federal system. Only spoken and comprehension
    > > abilities are examine.
    > >
    > > Well let me know how this pans out
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > > I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,
    > > >
    > > > thanks for sharing your experiences.
    > > >
    > > > I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
    > > > messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
    > > > or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
    > > > start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
    > > > by March 2003!
    > > > Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
    > > > letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
    > > > applicants, admission to canada.
    > > >
    > > > What about border line cases, then?
    > > > That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
    > > > selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
    > > > economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
    > > > all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
    > > > application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
    > > > assessment grid.
    > > >
    > > > So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
    > > > there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
    > > > the federal court of canada...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > [email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message news:...
    > > > > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > > > > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > > > > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > > > > requested in the first place.
    > > > >
    > > > > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > > > > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > > > > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > > > > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > > > > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > > > > me for an interview there.
    > > > >
    > > > > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > > > > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > > > > reduced.
    > > > >
    > > > > Let see how this plays out
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > > > > Here's my situation.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > > > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > > > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > > > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > > > > location.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > > > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > > > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > > > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > > > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > > > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > > > > soon.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > > > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > > > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > > > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > > > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > > > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > > > > than CIC?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > > > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > thanks.

Immi Hopeful

time line..

12/2001 submitted application for que. selection
03/2002 received letter from SIQ, for interview in Aus.
05/2002 received letter from CIC Aus., for additional documents
06/2002 received letter from CIC Aus., stating on interview wait list
in NZ, after submission of additional docs.
06/2002 - to date nothing heard.




[email protected] (MikeP) wrote in message news:...
    > You have raised some valid points and it is hard to know how the mind
    > of an CIC officer functions during a Quebec selection.
    >
    > I do know that unlike the Federal System, the Quebec Selection is not
    > overwhelmed with applicants or facing a massive backlog, although the
    > amount of applicants have risen steadily (mostly business applicants
    > because of the financing schemes available.) This will off course
    > allow them to be more picky!!!
    >
    > Note that last year was the first year that Quebec actually managed to
    > meet their quota for immigrants. More importantly, the proportion of
    > new immigrants that had any knowledge of French fell short of their
    > long term target which I believe is slightly over 50%. If they can
    > have it their way, it will be 100%. Quebec Immigration System has made
    > it clear that their primary objective in their policy is to attract
    > Francophones or people who are willing to speak the language. Yes, the
    > 15 minute interviews were carried out by SIQ in Montreal and both of
    > them had above average French. I know of people that had no knowledge
    > of French but were very qualified, had no responses after sending in
    > their preliminary questionaire.
    >
    > In short, (I am assuming that you speak French) even if the CIC person
    > is interviewing you or me, being effective in English and French
    > should help demonstrate you can establish yourself in Canada/Quebec.
    > So don't sweat it, the only annoying bit is the long wait for the
    > interview. And if you don't speak French, the CIC person will even
    > love you more for it. For you, it might be a win win win situation!
    >
    > Lastly, what was your time line in regards to HK like, starting from
    > the actual application and not preliminary questionaire.
    >
    > Mine is as follows
    >
    > Aug-Actual Application Sent Off
    > One week later-AOR
    > Mid November-Please sent us more information including sworn
    > declarations from a Friend.
    > Early December-Documents sent off
    >
    > Good luck
    >
    > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > thank you for your response mike.
    > >
    > > I may be wrong on this, but I believe a selection interview could be
    > > called for a variety of reasons.
    > >
    > > With regards, to Que. selection, I believe a CSQ applicant will only
    > > be called for an interview, if
    > >
    > > he/she obtains between 50-60 points at the paper screening stage,
    > > therefore 10 points could be granted for personal suitability at an
    > > interview, (applicants obtaining 60 points or more at the
    > > paperscreening stage, excluding personal suitability could be granted
    > > CSQ without an interview.)
    > >
    > > and/or reasons exist to prove that an applicant will be able to
    > > successfully establish him/herself in Quebec, from an economic
    > > standpoint, and the applicant has requested for positive discretion,
    > >
    > > and/or language skills cannot be determined from the documentation
    > > provided by the applicant
    > >
    > > and/or work experience/educational credentials/other issues need to be
    > > discussed with the applicant.
    > >
    > > Facing an CSQ interview with a CIC officer has an added aspect,
    > > eventhough the Que assessment grid is different from the federal one,
    > > a CIC officer, especially an officer who has never been to Quebec,
    > > could be expected to import the standpoint/views they would have when
    > > assessing a federal application. If you don't know what I am talking
    > > about, have a look at past federal court decisions, if you have access
    > > to them. their views are mind boggling...
    > >
    > > the 15 minute interviews you talk about, I believe were from selection
    > > interviews, which were conducted by SIQ employees.
    > >
    > > anyway in my opinion, I think if an applicant applied for a CSQ, s/he
    > > should face an interview with a SIQ employee.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [email protected] (MikeP) wrote in message news:...
    > > > Yes, I have heard the rumours/stories as well but I think that
    > > > strictly applies to the Federal System. Remember that Quebec has its
    > > > own entirely seperate system and has 10 precious points allocated for
    > > > the interview to access personal suitablity. The fact that u have been
    > > > called for an interview is by itself a postive as refusal doesn't
    > > > reduce the backlog. I would imagine that the CIC person in NZ will be
    > > > following the guidlines set by Quebec.
    > > >
    > > > Obviously a successful Quebec interview requires a different set of
    > > > skills than the Federal System. Ability to communicate and love for
    > > > the French Langauge, being paramount and a good explanation as to why
    > > > you have choosen Quebec. Two people that I have spoken to regarding
    > > > the interview have said that the officer simply looks for your
    > > > "willingness to speak French." Their interview lasted 10-15 minutes
    > > > and the officer stated at the end that the prime reason for calling
    > > > them for the interview was to see if they could carry a conversation
    > > > in French. Quebec still doesn't have mandatory language testing like
    > > > they do have in the federal system. Only spoken and comprehension
    > > > abilities are examine.
    > > >
    > > > Well let me know how this pans out
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > > > I hit the post message button by mistake... anyways,
    > > > >
    > > > > thanks for sharing your experiences.
    > > > >
    > > > > I don't want to put you into a panic, but I recently read a few
    > > > > messages on this newsgroup which suggest that the Canadian consulates,
    > > > > or least the offices which have a major backlog of applications, will
    > > > > start rejecting the weak cases, in order to simply clear the backlog
    > > > > by March 2003!
    > > > > Visa officers at consulates will be enforcing immigration law to the
    > > > > letter, and using positive discretion less and less, in order to grant
    > > > > applicants, admission to canada.
    > > > >
    > > > > What about border line cases, then?
    > > > > That would not be fair for applicants, who are 1 or 2 points short of
    > > > > selection, but yet able to prove that they would be able to
    > > > > economically establish themselves in Canada, at an interview. After
    > > > > all, an applicant usually submits an application and pays the
    > > > > application fee after assessing his/her chances against an immigration
    > > > > assessment grid.
    > > > >
    > > > > So preferably I hope CIC does not pursue that policy, or failing that
    > > > > there is at least a strong legal argument, which could be addressed by
    > > > > the federal court of canada...
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > [email protected] (adhkn) wrote in message news:...
    > > > > > Intersting situation, I have an application pending with HK as well
    > > > > > and they just requested for more information/documents. Additional
    > > > > > documents included the IM0008 form (Canadian Residency) which was not
    > > > > > requested in the first place.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Had the impression that the interview would be in HK and not anywhere
    > > > > > else. I am in Singapore. Similiarly I am more than happy to fly to HK
    > > > > > for the interview if it means a shorter wait. I believe that the
    > > > > > interview waiting list is probably as long in Singapore as in any
    > > > > > where else in the world. Hopefully being closer to HK, they will call
    > > > > > me for an interview there.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Only silver lining is that the new laws are designed to shorten
    > > > > > interview lines so perhaps, after March 2003, it will be dramatically
    > > > > > reduced.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Let see how this plays out
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > [email protected] (immi hopeful) wrote in message news:...
    > > > > > > Here's my situation.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > As per the instructions on the immigration quebec website, I submitted
    > > > > > > my CSQ application, to the SIQ office in Hong Kong in Dec. 2001, as
    > > > > > > that is the closest office to New Zealand ( I hold NZ citizenship).
    > > > > > > The application did not ask for the applicant's prefered interview
    > > > > > > location.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Later, I received communication from SIQ stating that I was on the
    > > > > > > waiting list for a selection interview in Australia. In 06/2002 I
    > > > > > > received further communication from CIC in Australia, stating that I
    > > > > > > was on the waiting list for a selection interview in New Zealand.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Due to the CIC law amendments of June 02', I have heard that there is
    > > > > > > a lengthy waiting list for selection interviews in Australia and New
    > > > > > > Zealand, and I don't expect to receive the interview date any time
    > > > > > > soon.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > In the meantime, as per the quebec immigration plan for 2003, Quebec
    > > > > > > plans to grant admission to 27500 skilled workers and their immediate
    > > > > > > famillies during 2003, and it looks like I won't be able to make the
    > > > > > > Que. 2003 intake either, due to CIC delays.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > So, could the experts please enlighten me as to what options are
    > > > > > > available? for eg. is it possible to have the matter refered back to
    > > > > > > SIQ in Hong Kong, and face the interview with an SIQ employee rather
    > > > > > > than CIC?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > If not, could someone share their experiences as to the approximate
    > > > > > > delay for interview dates in New Zealand?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > thanks.