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Moving to Canada from US....questions

Old Apr 2nd 2003, 2:47 am
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Hi,

I received my PR visa (family sponsored), as you know from my previous posts, I am planning to move to Canada to be with my wife by the end of April. I am in US on H1B visa and am wondering when I actually land in Canada, do they ask to cancel your existing US work visa...??

Should I prepare any tax documents of my income for this year..?? What happens to your Social Security Number..?? Does it gets cancelled too..?? I plan to quit my job before the move. Do I need to complete "Sailing or Departure Permit"...??

If anybody could share their experience if they were on H1B visa in US and moved to Canada, it would be really helpful.

Regards,
CK.
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Old Apr 2nd 2003, 3:19 am
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A simple answer to your question:
NO.

Don't worry.

AAABBB wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > I received my PR visa (family sponsored), as you know from my previous
    > posts, I am planning to move to Canada to be with my wife by the end of
    > April. I am in US on H1B visa and am wondering when I actually land in
    > Canada, do they ask to cancel your existing US work visa...??
    >
    > Should I prepare any tax documents of my income for this year..?? What
    > happens to your Social Security Number..?? Does it gets cancelled
    > too..?? I plan to quit my job before the move. Do I need to complete
    > "Sailing or Departure Permit"...??
    >
    > If anybody could share their experience if they were on H1B visa in US
    > and moved to Canada, it would be really helpful.
    >
    > Regards,
    > CK.
    >
    > --
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Old Apr 3rd 2003, 7:37 am
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Margaret
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I was an H1B that moved From US. No one asked
me to cancel my H1B visa. I guess when you resign,
it's no longer valid.

You should keep your social security number in a safe
place just in case. My understanding from talking to people in the
Social Security office before I left and from the website
at:

http://www.ssa.gov/international/int...nal_Agreements

is that if you worked a certain number of years in the US, your social
security contributions to the US company while you were an H1B
can be claimed once you retire as a Canadian citizen. Even if you
don't have the required years to claim your full social security,
your Canadian social security can still be adjusted upwards by a smaller
amount to
reflect your US contributions. I'll try to find the exact site where I saw
this. No harm though in safeguarding your social security number and keeping
the social security office informed of your Candian address at all times

I don't know what the "sailing or Departure Permit" is. I never filled it
out

Also, before you leave, I believe you're supposed to file Form 1040C
with the IRS http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/lists/0,,id=97817,00.html
for US Departing Alien Income tax Return and pay estimated taxes
owed. You will still be required to file a proper return next year. I think
most people don't do this, but it can cause delays at the airport if they
ask for this and you haven't filed it

I am not an expert, just sharing some ideas on my experience. You
can confirm all of this with someone more experienced in these topics

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"AAABBB" wrote in message
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    > Hi,
    > I received my PR visa (family sponsored), as you know from my previous
    > posts, I am planning to move to Canada to be with my wife by the end of
    > April. I am in US on H1B visa and am wondering when I actually land in
    > Canada, do they ask to cancel your existing US work visa...??
    > Should I prepare any tax documents of my income for this year..?? What
    > happens to your Social Security Number..?? Does it gets cancelled
    > too..?? I plan to quit my job before the move. Do I need to complete
    > "Sailing or Departure Permit"...??
    > If anybody could share their experience if they were on H1B visa in US
    > and moved to Canada, it would be really helpful.
    > Regards,
    > CK.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Apr 3rd 2003, 7:52 am
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Narayan Krishnamoorthy
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Hello::

My experience is a bit dated, so, with that being said:

I moved to Canada in 1999 with a valid H1. I moved to Vancouver, while still
being employed by a California Company on a H1. The company didn't want me
to resign, and so they wanted to continue the employment even after I landed
in Canada. (I continued to telecommute until Jan 2001).

I thought this continuing employment in California thing would raise some
eyebrows, so, I got a official letter from the company saying that I was
moving to Canada, and what my job description was, and HOW I was going to
work from afar (a statement saying that I would maintain a residence in
Canada and only TELECOMMUTE).

At the border, they asked me what my status was in the US, and I replied H1,
and said that I was still going to work for them. When they asked about
residency, I produced this document and gave the Officer the visiting card
of the HR person in our company.

I also showed her the receipt for the apartment that we had rented in
Richmond (while still in California), and I had a loaded U-Haul. No further
questions were asked.

    > I received my PR visa (family sponsored), as you know from my previous
    > posts, I am planning to move to Canada to be with my wife by the end of
    > April. I am in US on H1B visa and am wondering when I actually land in
    > Canada, do they ask to cancel your existing US work visa...??

Are you thinking of going back to the US after doing a "dummy" landing? If
you can't prove your serious intent of moving to Canada, my opinion is that
you will get in some hot water. YMMV.

    > Should I prepare any tax documents of my income for this year..?? What
    > happens to your Social Security Number..?? Does it gets cancelled

You don't require any tax documents at the time of landing.
Your SSN stays. Don't lose it.

    > too..?? I plan to quit my job before the move. Do I need to complete
    > "Sailing or Departure Permit"...??

I would produce a copy of your resignation letter and a copy of the
"settlement of accounts" usually issued by employers. Or you could ask
for one (stating that you are no longer employed by that company).

Narayan
 
Old Apr 3rd 2003, 7:52 am
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Margaret wrote:
    >
    > I was an H1B that moved From US. No one asked
    > me to cancel my H1B visa. I guess when you resign,
    > it's no longer valid.
    >
    > You should keep your social security number in a safe
    > place just in case. My understanding from talking to people in the
    > Social Security office before I left and from the website
    > at:
    >
    > http://www.ssa.gov/international/int...nal_Agreements
    >
    > is that if you worked a certain number of years in the US, your social
    > security contributions to the US company while you were an H1B
    > can be claimed once you retire as a Canadian citizen. Even if you
    > don't have the required years to claim your full social security,
    > your Canadian social security can still be adjusted upwards by a smaller
    > amount to
    > reflect your US contributions. I'll try to find the exact site where I saw
    > this. No harm though in safeguarding your social security number and keeping
    > the social security office informed of your Candian address at all times

This is called the Totalization Agreement. Basically, it says that the
years you worked in one country may be counted as contributory years
(with a $0 contribution as opposed to non-contributory years) in the
other country. It means that you can probably get old age benefits from
both countries although they don't add value as such.

    > I don't know what the "sailing or Departure Permit" is. I never filled it
    > out
    >
    > Also, before you leave, I believe you're supposed to file Form 1040C
    > with the IRS http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/lists/0,,id=97817,00.html
    > for US Departing Alien Income tax Return and pay estimated taxes
    > owed.

This is exactly what is known as a "Sailing Permit"

    > I think
    > most people don't do this, but it can cause delays at the airport if they
    > ask for this and you haven't filed it

Many people are exempt from filing sailing permits.
 
Old Apr 3rd 2003, 8:54 am
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Thanks Margaret, Narayan, Stuart, and James for all the information.

Yes, I intend to move to Canada on a permanent basis.

I have one more question...

Since my US income for 2003 is subject to payroll withholding which I will be reporting it on my tax return in April 2004, does that still require me to file form 1040C or 2063 ("Sailing or Departure Permit" as what it is called)..??

Regards,
CK.
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Old Apr 3rd 2003, 11:10 am
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AAABBB wrote:
    >
    > Thanks Margaret, Narayan, Stuart, and James for all the information.
    >
    > Yes, I intend to move to Canada on a permanent basis.
    >
    > I have one more question...
    >
    > Since my US income for 2003 is subject to payroll withholding which I
    > will be reporting it on my tax return in April 2004, does that still
    > require me to file form 1040C or 2063 ("Sailing or Departure Permit" as
    > what it is called)..??
    >
    > Regards,
    > CK.

See IRS Publication 519 "U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens" and see the section
on departing aliens. It should be available on the forms page of the
IRS web site ... http://www.irs.gov

It would appear that you would be required to obtain a sailing permit.
 

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