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Old Apr 16th 2009, 12:50 am
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I am a 26 year old veterinary surgeon with just under 2 years experience. I am planning on moving to canada within the next couple of years following the completion of a phd. I would like apply for a training program in Canada in 2012 in which i could avoid huge international student fees if I already have PR first.

I have been wondering whether I could make a case for having experience under NOC 4131: College and Other Vocational Instructors.

I worked for 1 year at the University of Guelph, Ontario as a small animal intern at the Veterinary Teaching Hospital on a temporary work permit. In this position I was responsible for the management of cases admitted to the hospital and rotated through the different specialities e.g. emergency, surgery etc. I was part of a team consisting of a specialist, resident, intern and three to five students.

One of my main responsibilities other than those of a usual vet was teaching final year vet students who work at the hospital in the final year of their training.

Every animal admitted to the hospital is initially seen by a student who would then report to me to discuss the case, do lab work, examinations, x-rays etc under my supervision before finally reporting to the specialist.

Teaching/training the vet students comprised many different modalities:

-discussion of each case i.e. the student would tell me what they would do if they were the primary vet and I would provide feedback and talk through the case with them
-Gave formal presentations, lectures, seminars on a weekly basis
-Evaluated students’ performance in the clinic including knowledge, communication skills and practical ability. These grades contributed to their degree.
-Supervised surgery, provided hands on training continuously
-Teach practical skills e.g. wound care/bandaging, taking radiographs, etc on a daily basis
-Provided individualised tutorials during quiet times in the hospital
-Provided demonstrations on physical examinations, orthopaedic examinations etc on a daily basis

I could provide references from the specialists (university professors) including my main supervisor to confirm the duties above.

anyone think I would have a chance?

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As long as you have at least one year of experience in the last 10 years and you meet most of the duties on the NOC list I can't see a problem in applying but I'm sure someone on here will correct me if I'm wrong.
Main duties
College and other vocational instructors perform some or all of the following duties:
Teach students using a systematic plan of lectures, demonstrations, discussion groups, laboratory work, shop sessions, seminars, case studies, field assignments and independent or group projects
Develop curriculum and prepare teaching materials and outlines for courses
Prepare, administer and mark tests and papers to evaluate students' progress
Advise students on program curricula and career decisions
Provide individualized tutorial/remedial instructions
Supervise independent or group projects, field placements, laboratory work or hands-on training
Supervise teaching assistants
May provide consultation services to government, business and other organizations
May serve on committees concerned with matters such as budgets, curriculum revision, and course and diploma requirements.
These instructors specialize in particular fields or areas of study such as visual arts, dental hygiene, welding, engineering technology, policing, computer software, management and early childhood education.

Employment requirements
A bachelor's degree, a college diploma or demonstrated expertise in the field of instruction is required.
A master's degree in the field of instruction may be required.
A certificate, diploma or degree in adult education may be required.
For instructors of trades, completion of apprenticeship training and industry or trade certification are required.
Additional courses in teaching or a provincial teaching certificate may be required.
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Originally Posted by chanceUK
I am a 26 year old veterinary surgeon with just under 2 years experience. I am planning on moving to canada within the next couple of years following the completion of a phd. I would like apply for a training program in Canada in 2012 in which i could avoid huge international student fees if I already have PR first.

I have been wondering whether I could make a case for having experience under NOC 4131: College and Other Vocational Instructors.

I worked for 1 year at the University of Guelph, Ontario as a small animal intern at the Veterinary Teaching Hospital on a temporary work permit. In this position I was responsible for the management of cases admitted to the hospital and rotated through the different specialities e.g. emergency, surgery etc. I was part of a team consisting of a specialist, resident, intern and three to five students.

One of my main responsibilities other than those of a usual vet was teaching final year vet students who work at the hospital in the final year of their training.

Every animal admitted to the hospital is initially seen by a student who would then report to me to discuss the case, do lab work, examinations, x-rays etc under my supervision before finally reporting to the specialist.

Teaching/training the vet students comprised many different modalities:

-discussion of each case i.e. the student would tell me what they would do if they were the primary vet and I would provide feedback and talk through the case with them
-Gave formal presentations, lectures, seminars on a weekly basis
-Evaluated students’ performance in the clinic including knowledge, communication skills and practical ability. These grades contributed to their degree.
-Supervised surgery, provided hands on training continuously
-Teach practical skills e.g. wound care/bandaging, taking radiographs, etc on a daily basis
-Provided individualised tutorials during quiet times in the hospital
-Provided demonstrations on physical examinations, orthopaedic examinations etc on a daily basis

I could provide references from the specialists (university professors) including my main supervisor to confirm the duties above.

anyone think I would have a chance?

thanks
I think it will depend on whether the teaching side of your job was the main part of it, or the vet part of it was. To meet the requirements, you have to have been doing the teaching part of it as the main part of your job - so if you were 60% vet, 40% teacher (just as an example) then you wouldn't be eligible. If you can tick most of the things in the list NL1 kindly posted above, and did those as the main part of your job, then you should be fine.

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I think it will depend on whether the teaching side of your job was the main part of it, or the vet part of it was. To meet the requirements, you have to have been doing the teaching part of it as the main part of your job - so if you were 60% vet, 40% teacher (just as an example) then you wouldn't be eligible. If you can tick most of the things in the list NL1 kindly posted above, and did those as the main part of your job, then you should be fine.

i guess the thing is that at all times I was working as both vet and teacher since I had students constantly shadowing me. All cases were discussed together. The roles cant really be separated.
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i guess the thing is that at all times I was working as both vet and teacher since I had students constantly shadowing me. All cases were discussed together. The roles cant really be separated.
So how many items on the above list can you honestly say you did as 'main duties'? I guess that will be the decider.

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i guess the thing is that at all times I was working as both vet and teacher since I had students constantly shadowing me. All cases were discussed together. The roles cant really be separated.
I could confidently say that i performed 5/9 of those duties listed and that in one form or another I was teaching for the vast majority of the time I spent working there. It is non-conventional in the sense that the job fits multiple NOC codes and different duties (vet and teacher) were performed at the same time.

It does say that
"College and other vocational instructors perform some or all of the following duties"

I think i'll go and talk with my supervisor next month for a reference outlining all the duties etc and then decide. It may be worth a try before waiting to sort out a different option later on.
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Originally Posted by chanceUK
I could confidently say that i performed 5/9 of those duties listed and that in one form or another I was teaching for the vast majority of the time I spent working there. It is non-conventional in the sense that the job fits multiple NOC codes and different duties (vet and teacher) were performed at the same time.

It does say that
"College and other vocational instructors perform some or all of the following duties"

I think i'll go and talk with my supervisor next month for a reference outlining all the duties etc and then decide. It may be worth a try before waiting to sort out a different option later on.
I'd suggest you speak to an expert about this. It does say you have to perform 'some or all', but if you read the actual instructions, then it says you have to be doing most of the 'main duties' as the major part of your job.

I would say that if you were doing 5/9 of them then you would probably be eligible to apply, but because you were only doing those 5/9 of them as half your job (if that makes sense?) then you might not be. Tricky one!

I would either have an assessment with an immigration consultant (most of them give free initial consultations, and they would know the regulations much better than most of us on here), or just chance it and apply if you don't mind losing the application fees.

Good luck.
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1.Teach students using a systematic plan of lectures, demonstrations, discussion groups, laboratory work, shop sessions, seminars, case studies, field assignments and independent or group projects...Gave formal presentations, lectures, seminars on a weekly basis...Provided demonstrations on physical examinations, orthopaedic examinations etc on a daily basis
2. Develop curriculum and prepare teaching materials and outlines for courses
3. Prepare, administer and mark tests and papers to evaluate students' progress...Evaluated students’ performance in the clinic including knowledge, communication skills and practical ability. These grades contributed to their degree.
4. Advise students on program curricula and career decisions....discussion of each case i.e. the student would tell me what they would do if they were the primary vet and I would provide feedback and talk through the case with them
5. Provide individualized tutorial/remedial instructions...discussion of each case i.e. the student would tell me what they would do if they were the primary vet and I would provide feedback and talk through the case with them....Provided individualised tutorials during quiet times in the hospital
6. Supervise independent or group projects, field placements, laboratory work or hands-on training...Supervised surgery, provided hands on training continuously...Teach practical skills e.g. wound care/bandaging, taking radiographs, etc on a daily basis
7. Supervise teaching assistants
8. May provide consultation services to government, business and other organizations
9. May serve on committees concerned with matters such as budgets, curriculum revision, and course and diploma requirements.

This is where I would expect your duties meet those of the NOC but you could probably argue that they might some of the others. Did you prepare/plan any teaching materials/lessons/demonstrations in advance?
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1.Teach students using a systematic plan of lectures, demonstrations, discussion groups, laboratory work, shop sessions, seminars, case studies, field assignments and independent or group projects...Gave formal presentations, lectures, seminars on a weekly basis...Provided demonstrations on physical examinations, orthopaedic examinations etc on a daily basis
2. Develop curriculum and prepare teaching materials and outlines for courses
3. Prepare, administer and mark tests and papers to evaluate students' progress...Evaluated students’ performance in the clinic including knowledge, communication skills and practical ability. These grades contributed to their degree.
4. Advise students on program curricula and career decisions....discussion of each case i.e. the student would tell me what they would do if they were the primary vet and I would provide feedback and talk through the case with them
5. Provide individualized tutorial/remedial instructions...discussion of each case i.e. the student would tell me what they would do if they were the primary vet and I would provide feedback and talk through the case with them....Provided individualised tutorials during quiet times in the hospital
6. Supervise independent or group projects, field placements, laboratory work or hands-on training...Supervised surgery, provided hands on training continuously...Teach practical skills e.g. wound care/bandaging, taking radiographs, etc on a daily basis
7. Supervise teaching assistants
8. May provide consultation services to government, business and other organizations
9. May serve on committees concerned with matters such as budgets, curriculum revision, and course and diploma requirements.

This is where I would expect your duties meet those of the NOC but you could probably argue that they might some of the others. Did you prepare/plan any teaching materials/lessons/demonstrations in advance?
the lectures and tutorials were prepared in advance using power point presentations, handouts etc

thanks for your help guys.

i think i'm going to get as much evidence as possible together and then seriously think about giving it a shot
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I would as you seem to have been doing most of the duties....just need to ensure the references state this. Good luck
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the lectures and tutorials were prepared in advance using power point presentations, handouts etc

thanks for your help guys.

i think i'm going to get as much evidence as possible together and then seriously think about giving it a shot
Then you can argue that you also meet the requirements for No 2. Develop curriculum and prepare teaching materials and outlines for courses
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