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Old Jun 27th 2010, 8:42 pm
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Fair point, and not one I'm sure how to address.

Of course, way back, it used to be that you had an interview with an immigration officer as part of the application process and they were allowed to make a judgement call as to your language ability.

This of course was open to question in the appeals process , hence the need to quantify everything and use IELTS

it seems a shame that case officers are no longer allowed any degree of professional judgement


Did you have to sit IELTS for your xray qualification thingy, fleder?

I know some medical professionals do
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Old Jun 27th 2010, 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
Fair point, and not one I'm sure how to address.

Of course, way back, it used to be that you had an interview with an immigration officer as part of the application process and they were allowed to make a judgement call as to your language ability.

This of course was open to question in the appeals process , hence the need to quantify everything and use IELTS

it seems a shame that case officers are no longer allowed any degree of professional judgement


Did you have to sit IELTS for your xray qualification thingy, fleder?

I know some medical professionals do
No IELTS, as my training was in English, if not then they would have required TOEFL or IELTS with a minimum overall score of 6 and minimum of 6 in speaking plus the Canadian certification exam is in English. (or French)

PS most of the people I work with have appalling standards of written English. I get the job of reviewing all the policies and procedures for errors.
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Old Jun 27th 2010, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by fledermaus
This (deaf) native speaker would have had difficulty with the listening part of the test as I did in the TEF where I scored 0 compared to a 5 in the viva. I see that accommodations are allowed for the test but it would still mean that my language skills would not be assessed accurately by this method.
But any person with similar hearing impairment would have that problem, irrespective of being a native speaker or otherwise.

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Old Jun 27th 2010, 10:40 pm
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But any person with similar hearing impairment would have that problem, irrespective of being a native speaker or otherwise.

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of course. what's your point?
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Originally Posted by raymasa
But any person with similar hearing impairment would have that problem, irrespective of being a native speaker or otherwise.

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So then you have a medical problem as well as a comprehension problem - although they did not test hearing (other than the doctor asking questions) at the medical.
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Hearing is certainly examined at the medical stage . I have vague recolections of Fleder having to jump through some very stupid hoops with the doctor conducting hers

( apologies if I'm mixing you up with someone else)
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Old Jun 28th 2010, 12:15 am
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Is it just the main applicant who has to take this test? Or will I have to take it too?
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Originally Posted by albertabound
Is it just the main applicant who has to take this test? Or will I have to take it too?
Principal applicant only.
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Principal applicant only.
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Originally Posted by amrskipro
So then you have a medical problem as well as a comprehension problem - although they did not test hearing (other than the doctor asking questions) at the medical.
Er, you need educating. Hearing loss is not a medical problem any more than sight loss is.

They do test hearing at the medical. I had the most humiliating hearing test at my medical even though I tried to refuse it. Which I was within my right to do so as I could provide specialist information.

I have a profound hearing loss and passed the medical.
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Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
Hearing is certainly examined at the medical stage . I have vague recolections of Fleder having to jump through some very stupid hoops with the doctor conducting hers

( apologies if I'm mixing you up with someone else)
You are quite right Zoe, thanks for remembering.
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I do not think I need educating - hearing loss is a medical condition in that it is assessed and treated by members of the medical profession. If one is assessed as having a hearing loss one normally seeks clarification or further investigation from more qualified medically trained specialists such as audiologists, otolaryngologists or otologists.

And other than the doctor asking me the questions that are the medical form/s, there was no hearing test at our medicals.

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Originally Posted by amrskipro
I do not think I need educating - hearing loss is a medical condition in that it is assessed and treated by members of the medical profession. If one is assessed as having a hearing loss one normally seeks clarification or further investigation from more qualified medically trained specialists such as audiologists, otolaryngologists or otologists.

And other than the doctor asking me the questions that are the medical form/s, there was no hearing test at our medicals.
That still doesn't make it a medical condition. It can be symptom of a medical condition but it is not one. Being deaf or hard of hearing does not make you a patient.

extract from the DMPs handbook

Examination guidelines for Section C
Field 1 – Weight, height, vision, hearing

...The hearing screening test is to measure the ability to hear a softly whispered voice in each ear starting at a distance of six metres or 20 feet with the back turned to the examining physician. The distance at which the applicant can repeat two or more syllables, words or numbers should be recorded.

For hearing-impaired applicants, please clearly assess the communication skills used by the applicant, whether lip reading, signing, reading or writing.
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Originally Posted by fledermaus
That still doesn't make it a medical condition. It can be symptom of a medical condition but it is not one. Being deaf or hard of hearing does not make you a patient.

extract from the DMPs handbook

Examination guidelines for Section C
Field 1 – Weight, height, vision, hearing

...The hearing screening test is to measure the ability to hear a softly whispered voice in each ear starting at a distance of six metres or 20 feet with the back turned to the examining physician. The distance at which the applicant can repeat two or more syllables, words or numbers should be recorded.

For hearing-impaired applicants, please clearly assess the communication skills used by the applicant, whether lip reading, signing, reading or writing.
If it requires expert or specialist medical assessment to determine its extent or a person's physical limitations or employment restrictions then, I am afraid, it is generally termed as a medical condition. Calling it a symptom of a medical condition is symatics.

Whether or not it is something that prevents one from emigrating is not something that applies to me. For those that is does apply to and adds a step to an already potentially stressful and unpredicable process I do feel for them and wish them all the best with their application.

For those people with hearing loss I am sure knowing what the physical parameters of the test are will be very reassuring.
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Originally Posted by amrskipro
If it requires expert or specialist medical assessment to determine its extent or a person's physical limitations or employment restrictions then, I am afraid, it is generally termed as a medical condition. Calling it a symptom of a medical condition is symatics.

Whether or not it is something that prevents one from emigrating is not something that applies to me. For those that is does apply to and adds a step to an already potentially stressful and unpredicable process I do feel for them and wish them all the best with their application.

For those people with hearing loss I am sure knowing what the physical parameters of the test are will be very reassuring
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Patronising ignorant claptrap
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