'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
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'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
Hi,
Planning on going over to 'land' and activate our Permanent Residence visa's. (possibly in October)
I have searched the cic website and the wiki here. But cannot find the exact answer to my question. (coffee probably not kicked in yet... )
When landing in October, we are not yet moving permanently (it's a 7-10 day recce). Can I just clarify that we still require a 'goods to follow' list on this trip? Or does that wait until we move permanently?
Thanks
Planning on going over to 'land' and activate our Permanent Residence visa's. (possibly in October)
I have searched the cic website and the wiki here. But cannot find the exact answer to my question. (coffee probably not kicked in yet... )
When landing in October, we are not yet moving permanently (it's a 7-10 day recce). Can I just clarify that we still require a 'goods to follow' list on this trip? Or does that wait until we move permanently?
Thanks
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Re: 'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
I've found it to be a 50/50 split depending on who you ask. Former Lancastrian here will tell you it's OK not to have it on your recce and I would love to go with his word, however I go out on my recce Sunday and have got a bit spooked by the inconsistency from other sources so I'm doing a list just in case I get an officer with a differing opinion.
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Re: 'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
Hi,
Planning on going over to 'land' and activate our Permanent Residence visa's. (possibly in October)
I have searched the cic website and the wiki here. But cannot find the exact answer to my question. (coffee probably not kicked in yet... )
When landing in October, we are not yet moving permanently (it's a 7-10 day recce). Can I just clarify that we still require a 'goods to follow' list on this trip? Or does that wait until we move permanently?
Thanks
Planning on going over to 'land' and activate our Permanent Residence visa's. (possibly in October)
I have searched the cic website and the wiki here. But cannot find the exact answer to my question. (coffee probably not kicked in yet... )
When landing in October, we are not yet moving permanently (it's a 7-10 day recce). Can I just clarify that we still require a 'goods to follow' list on this trip? Or does that wait until we move permanently?
Thanks
Different provinces might handle it differently though.
You should have it ready just in case, you don't want lose the chance of bringing over your stuff over duty free.
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Re: 'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
Well if the officers took time to read the following from their own D Memorandum then perhaps they might notice this
10. As an example, a person can become a permanent resident without the intention of residing immediately in Canada. However, this person is not determined to be a settler as defined in the customs legislation, and be eligible for the provisions of tariff item No. 9807.00.00. In this case, since the person does not have any intention of remaining in Canada at that time, and will live outside Canada for an undetermined period of time, that person is considered a non-resident of Canada and not a settler, for the purpose of the Customs Tariff, and is eligible to temporarily import goods under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.
D2-2-1 - Settlers' Effects - Tariff Item No. 9807.00.00
So if you are not considered as a settler then the Form B4A and list of goods to follow do not apply in my opinion.
10. As an example, a person can become a permanent resident without the intention of residing immediately in Canada. However, this person is not determined to be a settler as defined in the customs legislation, and be eligible for the provisions of tariff item No. 9807.00.00. In this case, since the person does not have any intention of remaining in Canada at that time, and will live outside Canada for an undetermined period of time, that person is considered a non-resident of Canada and not a settler, for the purpose of the Customs Tariff, and is eligible to temporarily import goods under tariff item No. 9803.00.00.
D2-2-1 - Settlers' Effects - Tariff Item No. 9807.00.00
So if you are not considered as a settler then the Form B4A and list of goods to follow do not apply in my opinion.
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It's a shame they are all not as knowledgeable as you FL, I have since remembered a lot of things I forgot to put on my list so now I'm going to be stressing about what I can bring with me.
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Unless its brand new and never been used CBSA tend not to bother if they find items that are obviously used but cannot find on the list.
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So I shouldn't worry about my 10 boxes of Christmas decorations then.
If we knowingly ship stuff that isn't on the list are we expected to declare it with some sort of extras list or not bother & hope they don't notice/care?
If we knowingly ship stuff that isn't on the list are we expected to declare it with some sort of extras list or not bother & hope they don't notice/care?
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You can additionaly declare it as a sign that you are being totally honest but something like 10 x boxes of xmas decorations isn't a deal breaker as opposed to 10 x boxes of scotch not declared
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Haha thanks. What about a couple of additional second hand pieces of furniture? I don't fancy paying duty on something that cost me £20 form the charity shop
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Thanks FL- I think we should all land with you,less hassle that way
I figure that if I refurbish my £5 pair of old stools and decide to bring them with me, they'll have a hard time trying to come up with a fee to charge me so I'm going to take the risk. I find it hard to believe any extra charge would be more than I actually paid.
I figure that if I refurbish my £5 pair of old stools and decide to bring them with me, they'll have a hard time trying to come up with a fee to charge me so I'm going to take the risk. I find it hard to believe any extra charge would be more than I actually paid.
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Thanks FL- I think we should all land with you,less hassle that way
I figure that if I refurbish my £5 pair of old stools and decide to bring them with me, they'll have a hard time trying to come up with a fee to charge me so I'm going to take the risk. I find it hard to believe any extra charge would be more than I actually paid.
I figure that if I refurbish my £5 pair of old stools and decide to bring them with me, they'll have a hard time trying to come up with a fee to charge me so I'm going to take the risk. I find it hard to believe any extra charge would be more than I actually paid.
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My husband was also asked for his GTF when we landed but weren't establishing residency. The general line is to have it just in case, but hope you aren't asked for it. The wiki article on landing has a link to the very generic one my husband and I put together, we were just fine to use the same one when we did actually ship our stuff months later, it didn't end up varying too much from what we put on that list at all.
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Re: 'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
Apologies for reviving an old thread, and thank you for the replies. Even if they are conflicting! No offence FormerLancastrian lol.
So I'm just confirming then that we DO need a form B4 (goods to follow list) when we go on our recce in October. Even if we are not staying permanently and our goods won't be arriving until we do (possibly Summer 2016)...
I suppose the main guide to follow (as much as the help on here can be excellent and its appreciated) should be the CIC website.
And from reading that it does state :
"Before you arrive, you should prepare two copies of a list (preferably typed) of all the goods you intend to bring into Canada as settler’s effects, showing the value, make, model and serial number.
Divide the list into two sections: the goods you are bringing with you and the goods to follow.
Present this list to the border services officer on your first point of arrival in Canada, even if you are not bringing in any goods at that time."
The thing I'm concerned about at the moment is we (my wife and I ) haven't yet drew up any kind of list. Now we know we HAVE to do it, its now a priority! lol
Its been mentioned here, and I read it somewhere else (wiki I think) that you can not add to your 'list' after a customs officer has stamped it... So what have we agreed is the best course of action for that scenario?
Pennydog, How did your experience landing go?
So I'm just confirming then that we DO need a form B4 (goods to follow list) when we go on our recce in October. Even if we are not staying permanently and our goods won't be arriving until we do (possibly Summer 2016)...
I suppose the main guide to follow (as much as the help on here can be excellent and its appreciated) should be the CIC website.
And from reading that it does state :
"Before you arrive, you should prepare two copies of a list (preferably typed) of all the goods you intend to bring into Canada as settler’s effects, showing the value, make, model and serial number.
Divide the list into two sections: the goods you are bringing with you and the goods to follow.
Present this list to the border services officer on your first point of arrival in Canada, even if you are not bringing in any goods at that time."
The thing I'm concerned about at the moment is we (my wife and I ) haven't yet drew up any kind of list. Now we know we HAVE to do it, its now a priority! lol
Its been mentioned here, and I read it somewhere else (wiki I think) that you can not add to your 'list' after a customs officer has stamped it... So what have we agreed is the best course of action for that scenario?
Pennydog, How did your experience landing go?
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Re: 'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
Include everything you can think you might possibly want to bring. Just because it's 'on the list' doesn't mean you have to actually bring it... but leaving it off will mean you pay taxes and duty for anything that isn't on the list. When calculating the number of boxes of items, I would suggest you increase it by at least half again - it's amazing how you can underestimate what you actually have, and how little goes into a box!
It really doesn't have to be too detailed -
10 boxes of books - $200
2 boxes of kitchen equipment - $300
4 boxes of glassware, china & cutlery - $300
1 Double bed base - $400
1 Dining room table, 4 chairs - $1500
5 boxes of bedding - $400
3 boxes of towels, quilts and assorted linens - $600
2 boxes of paperwork - $0 (NCV)
1 Computer (Dell) Model xyz, serial number 3999933 - $2000
2 boxes assorted computer accessories - $320
1 Camera's (Kodak) Model xyz, serial number 300449 - $250
1 Hitachi Stereo, speakers and surround sound - $450
4 boxes CD's - $560
and so on and so forth.
Any electrical items must have their serial numbers and model listed.
All values are replacement value.
Any high value items must be listed separately with a description.
It really doesn't have to be too detailed -
10 boxes of books - $200
2 boxes of kitchen equipment - $300
4 boxes of glassware, china & cutlery - $300
1 Double bed base - $400
1 Dining room table, 4 chairs - $1500
5 boxes of bedding - $400
3 boxes of towels, quilts and assorted linens - $600
2 boxes of paperwork - $0 (NCV)
1 Computer (Dell) Model xyz, serial number 3999933 - $2000
2 boxes assorted computer accessories - $320
1 Camera's (Kodak) Model xyz, serial number 300449 - $250
1 Hitachi Stereo, speakers and surround sound - $450
4 boxes CD's - $560
and so on and so forth.
Any electrical items must have their serial numbers and model listed.
All values are replacement value.
Any high value items must be listed separately with a description.
Last edited by Siouxie; Jul 21st 2015 at 5:03 am.
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Re: 'Landing' / Activating PR, but not moving permanently. Q..
The wiki article on landing has examples in it as well.