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Old Dec 8th 2009, 12:38 am
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Hi, We have had our medicals and are waiting for our PR card- looking to land in Ontario June 2010. I am the main applicant - but my husband is wanting to take an entrance exam (for employment) in Ontario March 2010 - can he go without me to sit this test?

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He can go but he cannot land before you so it would be as a visitor not PR.
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Thanks Jim. That make's life a whole lot easier and cheaper!

I don't know whether you can help on another note, my son (4yrs old) has a speech and language delay - when we went for our medicals I showed his speech and language reports and educational assessment reports - these were sent off with our medical forms. We since recieved a further request in relation to our son - asking for psychologist report on diagnosis,degree of mental retardation, need for insitutional care, special education class, speech therapy hrs per week etc. Many of these questions I deem are totally irrelevant - I asked my sons educational psychologist to answer these questions, she did but directly as I would have anticipated. Is this a standard request with children who have similar delays; I am worried that this will have an adverse effect on our application.....we are so near yet feel so far......
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Thanks Jim. That make's life a whole lot easier and cheaper!

I don't know whether you can help on another note, my son (4yrs old) has a speech and language delay - when we went for our medicals I showed his speech and language reports and educational assessment reports - these were sent off with our medical forms. We since recieved a further request in relation to our son - asking for psychologist report on diagnosis,degree of mental retardation, need for insitutional care, special education class, speech therapy hrs per week etc. Many of these questions I deem are totally irrelevant - I asked my sons educational psychologist to answer these questions, she did but directly as I would have anticipated. Is this a standard request with children who have similar delays; I am worried that this will have an adverse effect on our application.....we are so near yet feel so far......
Yes it will. As the results from the medical "further" have to be assessed to determine if the help that your son requires will exceed the average care costs in Canada. Presently about $5450 per year. Averaged over the next 5 years. They will take into consideration if the child will require an aide in school, and any other specialized help. If 2 Immigration Medical officers determine that your child's needs exceed the Canadian average, then they will recommend refusal. At that point you would be sent a "fairness" letter to enable you to rebut their findings.

So basically it is a waiting game to determine if your son's needs in Canada are considered "excessive demand"
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Hi Jim,

You kindly responded to a earlier question, we posted on this site. Would you be so kind as to possibly advise us. We sent in the furtherance of requested info from the medical section concerning our son, also we have sent the bankers draft for pr fee. the date we sent these are as follows,

1 Medical furtherance report for our son, sent via doctors surgery 26 Nov 2009.

2 PR fee sent via recorded mail 18 December 2009, (as of today still not banked)

Regarding the medical request for further info ref our son, what is the time scale to find out if the info is a pass for our son, also is there a telephone number where I could contact them?

My husband happened to come by a number for a person with the initials CDR this person was very helpful, in getting our address changed as our mail was being sent to an address in Canada, (long story, error by the CIC London).

We would be grateful for any advice.

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It is hard to say just how long it may take for the results of your son's medical to be known. It can take months - 5 or more sometimes. There is no access to the medical personnel so if you do not hear by March I would call CDR again to see what if anything has happened.
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Thanks Jim. That make's life a whole lot easier and cheaper!

I don't know whether you can help on another note, my son (4yrs old) has a speech and language delay - when we went for our medicals I showed his speech and language reports and educational assessment reports - these were sent off with our medical forms. We since recieved a further request in relation to our son - asking for psychologist report on diagnosis,degree of mental retardation, need for insitutional care, special education class, speech therapy hrs per week etc. Many of these questions I deem are totally irrelevant - I asked my sons educational psychologist to answer these questions, she did but directly as I would have anticipated. Is this a standard request with children who have similar delays; I am worried that this will have an adverse effect on our application.....we are so near yet feel so far......
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We are in a similar position, although we are further back in the process. We have asked for our son's ed psych and school to prepare a report for us in prep for the medical. He now needs no intervention but we have to prove this fact. I cant offer any advice on this as not gone through it yet, but am offering a supportive shoulder should you require it.
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Mel, Just to let you know we are also awaiting a CIC decision with regard to child's medical/ excessive demand ruling. Our medicals were taken on Aug 13th 2009, and we provided all up to date med reports. I had hoped we would hear something by Christmas, even if it was only a request for further information, or the 'fairness' letter... but nothing heard yet. Another board member took about an additional 12 months to complete the excessive demand process from first medical to visa, I think.

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(although, also remember that you are entitled to obtain a copy of the report that the ed psych wrote about your son... that might give you a better idea ofwhether you need to come up with any mitigating evidence for costs)...
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Hi thanks for the reply, we have a copy of the ed physc report. The report states that our son will have no lasting effects, will need minimal support (10 min per day for speech and language). He has only a slight language delay and no other ed needs.

This is very frustrating as we provided the speech therapist reports, when we went for our medical, if we left them at home the doctor and CIC would be none the wiser about our son, the time delay, for making this decision is unbelievable.

We have spoken to the Ed physc she said the reports we sent in the first place provide all the information requested, she put in her report "If you notice from earlier submitted reports, this child has a mild speech and language delay.

We hope it does not take too much longer, whilst we understand that the Med Section need to see if he will be a financial demand, our son only has less than 1 hour per week of support.

Let me know how you get on, take care Mel
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The lesser the severity of the condition the quicker the results should be known.
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Hi Jim, many thanks for the response. What is slightly frustrating is , we had our medicals on the 19 Sept 09, received the medical furtherance 16 Oct 09, had report completed and returned on the 18/20 November 09.

We received the medical request quickly, and responded quickly, the report states clearly with all info requested, why the delay? We have sent an email and a fax to chase this up without response.

Like all on these threads, we dont not want to come across as pushy, but the system test's the most patient of saints.
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My guess (only a guess) is you should hear by March. There is a review by a specialist involved.
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Yes it will. As the results from the medical "further" have to be assessed to determine if the help that your son requires will exceed the average care costs in Canada. Presently about $5450 per year. Averaged over the next 5 years. They will take into consideration if the child will require an aide in school, and any other specialized help. If 2 Immigration Medical officers determine that your child's needs exceed the Canadian average, then they will recommend refusal. At that point you would be sent a "fairness" letter to enable you to rebut their findings.

So basically it is a waiting game to determine if your son's needs in Canada are considered "excessive demand"
Hello PMM!

My 6 months old son has Down syndrome. He went thru medicals on 24th Nov. Repeat medical call for him was received on 31st Dec for paediatric assessment to further access the case. Accordingly, he went thru repeat medicals at Private consultant but c/o DMP.

Earlier, our family physician and Paediatrician given us in writing about the health status of my son and asked to show it to DMP and the private consultant for their understanding. He wrote that, ''So Far, baby has no cardiac, gastrointestinal, Thyroid type problems. He has no hearing or vision problems. His weight is equal to normal child of his age. He is under very good nursing care of his mother. Though a case of DS, but he does not need any extra medical treatment or care at this time''. I carried with me Chromosome report, Thyroid profile and Echocardiogram reports as well for ready reference.

DMP of CIC physically checked my son (earlier he was checked by his assistant lady doctor). I shown him all the reports related to my son and the letter from Paediatrician as Well. He asked me to give copies of all reports and Paediatrician's letter to him as he will attach them all with his comments in the final report.

Then we went to Consultant Paed. refereed by DMP. He physically analyzed my son, seen all reports and discussed the case. He also wrote that, ''at this stage, my son has no cardiac, or other problems and muscle tone is normal. And he does not need any extra medical treatment at this stage. He has DS''.

Moreover, DMP said that, Medical deptt. Of CIC has given my son a favour / chance by asking for repeat medicals, otherwise they flatly regret these cases. Either it is a correct statement of DMP or not?

Now my questions are:

1. Is there any positive hope in the light of above statements of both paediatricians and Medical tests (As My son is only 6 months old now)?

2. What is the fairness letter? What it is about? Is it a type pf printed form provided by CIC? Or we have to give in writing a statement on a plain paper?

3. What i understand is, If my case is unsuccessful than, i''ll write a fairness letter to CIC. Will than my son is eligible for regular amount of health funding (i.e., CAD 5400 per year)? And I have to pay for all the extra expenses of my son (medical or social services)?

4. Does medical insurance will cover the extra cost for my son?

Kindly accept my deep regards, as i always have seen you helping others.
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Hello PMM!

My 6 months old son has Down syndrome. He went thru medicals on 24th Nov. Repeat medical call for him was received on 31st Dec for paediatric assessment to further access the case. Accordingly, he went thru repeat medicals at Private consultant but c/o DMP.

Earlier, our family physician and Paediatrician given us in writing about the health status of my son and asked to show it to DMP and the private consultant for their understanding. He wrote that, ''So Far, baby has no cardiac, gastrointestinal, Thyroid type problems. He has no hearing or vision problems. His weight is equal to normal child of his age. He is under very good nursing care of his mother. Though a case of DS, but he does not need any extra medical treatment or care at this time''. I carried with me Chromosome report, Thyroid profile and Echocardiogram reports as well for ready reference.

DMP of CIC physically checked my son (earlier he was checked by his assistant lady doctor). I shown him all the reports related to my son and the letter from Paediatrician as Well. He asked me to give copies of all reports and Paediatrician's letter to him as he will attach them all with his comments in the final report.

Then we went to Consultant Paed. refereed by DMP. He physically analyzed my son, seen all reports and discussed the case. He also wrote that, ''at this stage, my son has no cardiac, or other problems and muscle tone is normal. And he does not need any extra medical treatment at this stage. He has DS''.

Moreover, DMP said that, Medical deptt. Of CIC has given my son a favour / chance by asking for repeat medicals, otherwise they flatly regret these cases. Either it is a correct statement of DMP or not?

Now my questions are:

1. Is there any positive hope in the light of above statements of both paediatricians and Medical tests (As My son is only 6 months old now)?

2. What is the fairness letter? What it is about? Is it a type pf printed form provided by CIC? Or we have to give in writing a statement on a plain paper?

3. What i understand is, If my case is unsuccessful than, i''ll write a fairness letter to CIC. Will than my son is eligible for regular amount of health funding (i.e., CAD 5400 per year)? And I have to pay for all the extra expenses of my son (medical or social services)?

4. Does medical insurance will cover the extra cost for my son?

Kindly accept my deep regards, as i always have seen you helping others.
1. Your son's medical was furthered and then you had the second medical and investigation. Those results are sent to the Regional Medical Centre. Those results will be reviewed by 2 Immigration Medical Officers to determine if the needs of your son will cause excessive demand.
2. If the decision is that they will cause "excessive demand" before the application is refused, CIC will send you a fairness letter, outlining the concerns of Immigration.
3. At this point it will be up to you to convince CIC/CHC that you have plans and the funds so that the child will not be a burden and will not cost the taxpayer for his future education and training.
4. No stating that you will be responsible for any costs above $5400+ is admirable, but is not what CIC/CHC wants to see.
5. As I said before this is not really a "Do it yourself project" you should really contact an Immigration lawyer well versed in medical refusals. It will not be cheap. You probably can wait to see if you get a fairness letter or an approval before you take the next steps, but you will only have 60 days to respond. But you should really consult with someone who knows what they are doing in these sort of cases.
6. The procedure is outlined in the following manual http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...p/op15-eng.pdf
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