Jobs in Canada

Old May 5th 2003, 5:55 am
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Hi Guys,
I am a software Engineer working in India. I am planning to immigrate
to Canada.
But I heard it would take 2-3yrs to get PR.
So I am planning to enter Canada on work permit and process me papers
for immigation. How can I search for job from India? Are there any web
sites where I can apply from? Please help!!!!!!
 
Old May 5th 2003, 12:45 pm
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Vinu wrote:
    >
    > Hi Guys,
    > I am a software Engineer working in India. I am planning to immigrate
    > to Canada.
    > But I heard it would take 2-3yrs to get PR.
    > So I am planning to enter Canada on work permit and process me papers
    > for immigation. How can I search for job from India? Are there any web
    > sites where I can apply from? Please help!!!!!!

You will have a very hard time finding employment in the software
business, especially on a work permit, at this time. Jobs, while
available, are not easy to get and you can be sure that preference will
go to people who can start tomorrow ... not in a few weeks after they
can get a work permit.
 
Old May 5th 2003, 1:48 pm
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Better opportunities in Australia.

    >Subject: Re: Jobs in Canada
    >From: S B [email protected]
    >Date: 5/5/03 9:45 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >Vinu wrote:
    >>
    >> Hi Guys,
    >> I am a software Engineer working in India. I am planning to immigrate
    >> to Canada.
    >> But I heard it would take 2-3yrs to get PR.
    >> So I am planning to enter Canada on work permit and process me papers
    >> for immigation. How can I search for job from India? Are there any web
    >> sites where I can apply from? Please help!!!!!!
    >You will have a very hard time finding employment in the software
    >business, especially on a work permit, at this time. Jobs, while
    >available, are not easy to get and you can be sure that preference will
    >go to people who can start tomorrow ... not in a few weeks after they
    >can get a work permit.
 
Old May 5th 2003, 2:06 pm
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Hi There

The economy here is so bad that if you plan to move here make sure you
have funds to last you for at least 6 months. (~$50K). If you are with
a family+dependants factor in their expenses. Jobs here - especually
in the IT industry - are very hard to come by, if at all. If youplan
to move here, be prepared to work delivering Pizzas, or stocking
supermarket shelves.

It is almpst impossible to predict what the economy would be 2-3 years
from now? even if it were mych better as an immigrany you very likely
will have a tough time adjusting. My opinion is if you have a stable
job in a good economy like India, you are much better off staying
there. Canada & US will llikely go through their recession-growth
spirals for some time to come.

Good luck


[email protected] (Vinu) wrote in message news:...
    > Hi Guys,
    > I am a software Engineer working in India. I am planning to immigrate
    > to Canada.
    > But I heard it would take 2-3yrs to get PR.
    > So I am planning to enter Canada on work permit and process me papers
    > for immigation. How can I search for job from India? Are there any web
    > sites where I can apply from? Please help!!!!!!
 
Old May 5th 2003, 6:16 pm
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If you have a stable job in software, back in india, i suggest you are better off working & saving a good money in india rather than making an adventure in Canada/USA. I think you can save more money in India(Consider family travel expenses for a family, atleast once every 2 yrs and sponsoring travel trips of immediate family members)

But if your interest is to settle down in a western country, then you may try for canadian immigration. It really tests one's mental strength and patience( a long process with different stages)and chances of unemployment is 50% even after migration for an average IT skillset in the present market.
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Old May 5th 2003, 11:20 pm
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I does not hurt to try anyway. If you can manage to establish yourself here,
life it is actually quite rewarding!!

The IT job market is extremely tight in both the US and Canada. So for now,
my feeling is you are better off with an IT job in India.

Why don't you first try applying for a job (H1 visa) in the US? My guess is
if you cannot find a job in the US, then it is certainly more difficult in
Canada (at present). If you manage to get into the US, then you can apply to
Canada from there.

The IT situation may improve in a year or two. The Canadian economy is
actually growing at around 3% per year, faster than the US.

Note all the contradictions above. It's all a question of timing, your
determinination and luck.

"Raghu" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > If you have a stable job in software, back in india, i suggest you are
    > better off working & saving a good money in india rather than making an
    > adventure in Canada/USA. I think you can save more money in
    > India(Consider family travel expenses for a family, atleast once every 2
    > yrs and sponsoring travel trips of immediate family members)
    > But if your interest is to settle down in a western country, then you
    > may try for canadian immigration. It really tests one's mental strength
    > and patience( a long process with different stages)and chances of
    > unemployment is 50% even after migration for an average IT skillset in
    > the present market.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old May 6th 2003, 7:19 am
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Hi,
Thanks all for the sincere comments though most of them were
discouraging.

But I was going through CIC and HRDC websites which states there is
acute shortage of Software professionals in Canadian job market and
Canada encourage immigration of people with such skills.
Is that all baseless?

Experts and experienced people, please advise all the aspitants who
are dreaming of good future in Canada and help them make right
decision.

Thanks,






"C Nagappa" wrote in message news:...
    > I does not hurt to try anyway. If you can manage to establish yourself here,
    > life it is actually quite rewarding!!
    >
    > The IT job market is extremely tight in both the US and Canada. So for now,
    > my feeling is you are better off with an IT job in India.
    >
    > Why don't you first try applying for a job (H1 visa) in the US? My guess is
    > if you cannot find a job in the US, then it is certainly more difficult in
    > Canada (at present). If you manage to get into the US, then you can apply to
    > Canada from there.
    >
    > The IT situation may improve in a year or two. The Canadian economy is
    > actually growing at around 3% per year, faster than the US.
    >
    > Note all the contradictions above. It's all a question of timing, your
    > determinination and luck.
    >
    > "Raghu" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > If you have a stable job in software, back in india, i suggest you are
    > > better off working & saving a good money in india rather than making an
    > > adventure in Canada/USA. I think you can save more money in
    > > India(Consider family travel expenses for a family, atleast once every 2
    > > yrs and sponsoring travel trips of immediate family members)
    > >
    > > But if your interest is to settle down in a western country, then you
    > > may try for canadian immigration. It really tests one's mental strength
    > > and patience( a long process with different stages)and chances of
    > > unemployment is 50% even after migration for an average IT skillset in
    > > the present market.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old May 6th 2003, 9:38 am
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Vinu wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    > Thanks all for the sincere comments though most of them were
    > discouraging.
    >
    > But I was going through CIC and HRDC websites which states there is
    > acute shortage of Software professionals in Canadian job market and
    > Canada encourage immigration of people with such skills.
    > Is that all baseless?
    >
    > Experts and experienced people, please advise all the aspitants who
    > are dreaming of good future in Canada and help them make right
    > decision.
    >
    > Thanks,

That information is about 3 years out of date! There is a shortage, but
that doesn't actually mean that companies are hiring at this time. A
lot of companies would *like* to hire more staff, but they are afraid to
with the economy in the state it's in.
 
Old May 6th 2003, 4:25 pm
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You must know that like governments anywhere, the Canadian government
agencies usually get their data, analysis and reports way out of wack
with current reality. They should have done the skilled worker
immigration in the late 90s 1997-99 when there was a shortage of
programmers and many companies had to suffer as a result. Now there
are no companies and the programmers dime-a-dozen.

But remember Canada's economy has been tepid even in the best of times
- even in the late 90s boomtime, Canada was nowhere near the US
economy's growth rates. I knew several new immigrants - very qualified
engineers from India, Russia, Ukraine etc. who were hunting for jobs
in the 90s and usually ended up being underemployed. I knew a Stanford
Master's grad from India who was programming in Visual Basic and
Access(!) for some local accounting company.

Not to discourage you or anything, but I think you have much better
opportunities, projects and interesting stuff to do in places like
India than in Canada. But if you are willing to risk it to come here
deliver pizzas and drive a cab for a while while you lookout for a
good job - it might just work out who knows?

That would be my thought anyways...

Good luck
 
Old May 6th 2003, 8:49 pm
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Nothing new about this. In fact it's dead wrong. Canada is producing jobs but
not hitech jobs. Most jobs are for taxi drivers, janitors, fishermen. In
short, the jobs are low paying. An IT professional in INdia will earn more.
Stuart can accept that fact, I pity the Brooks guy.

    >Subject: Re: Jobs in Canada
    >From: S B [email protected]
    >Date: 5/6/03 6:38 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >Vinu wrote:
    >>
    >> Hi,
    >> Thanks all for the sincere comments though most of them were
    >> discouraging.
    >>
    >> But I was going through CIC and HRDC websites which states there is
    >> acute shortage of Software professionals in Canadian job market and
    >> Canada encourage immigration of people with such skills.
    >> Is that all baseless?
    >>
    >> Experts and experienced people, please advise all the aspitants who
    >> are dreaming of good future in Canada and help them make right
    >> decision.
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >That information is about 3 years out of date! There is a shortage, but
    >that doesn't actually mean that companies are hiring at this time. A
    >lot of companies would *like* to hire more staff, but they are afraid to
    >with the economy in the state it's in.
 
Old May 6th 2003, 8:50 pm
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No jobs in Canada.

    >Subject: Re: Jobs in Canada
    >From: [email protected] (Aaron)
    >Date: 5/6/03 1:25 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >You must know that like governments anywhere, the Canadian government
    >agencies usually get their data, analysis and reports way out of wack
    >with current reality. They should have done the skilled worker
    >immigration in the late 90s 1997-99 when there was a shortage of
    >programmers and many companies had to suffer as a result. Now there
    >are no companies and the programmers dime-a-dozen.
    >But remember Canada's economy has been tepid even in the best of times
    >- even in the late 90s boomtime, Canada was nowhere near the US
    >economy's growth rates. I knew several new immigrants - very qualified
    >engineers from India, Russia, Ukraine etc. who were hunting for jobs
    >in the 90s and usually ended up being underemployed. I knew a Stanford
    >Master's grad from India who was programming in Visual Basic and
    >Access(!) for some local accounting company.
    >Not to discourage you or anything, but I think you have much better
    >opportunities, projects and interesting stuff to do in places like
    >India than in Canada. But if you are willing to risk it to come here
    >deliver pizzas and drive a cab for a while while you lookout for a
    >good job - it might just work out who knows?
    >That would be my thought anyways...
    >Good luck
 
Old May 7th 2003, 1:21 am
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Another thing to think about, even if you do get a job in Canada - the
salaries for software professionals are pretty low (by western standards).

Starting salaries for software developers are around $40K (Canadian). I know
project managers in India who make that kind of money (Rs. 100,000 per
month). And that money goes a long, long, way there.

That said, if you manage to find a good software job, willing to stick to
your guns, and stay here four years and become a Canadian citizen - your
long term prospects would certainly be much better than staying in India.
But note the big "if".

"Vinu" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    > Thanks all for the sincere comments though most of them were
    > discouraging.
    > But I was going through CIC and HRDC websites which states there is
    > acute shortage of Software professionals in Canadian job market and
    > Canada encourage immigration of people with such skills.
    > Is that all baseless?
    > Experts and experienced people, please advise all the aspitants who
    > are dreaming of good future in Canada and help them make right
    > decision.
    > Thanks,
    > "C Nagappa" wrote in message
news:...
    > > I does not hurt to try anyway. If you can manage to establish yourself
here,
    > > life it is actually quite rewarding!!
    > >
    > > The IT job market is extremely tight in both the US and Canada. So for
now,
    > > my feeling is you are better off with an IT job in India.
    > >
    > > Why don't you first try applying for a job (H1 visa) in the US? My guess
is
    > > if you cannot find a job in the US, then it is certainly more difficult
in
    > > Canada (at present). If you manage to get into the US, then you can
apply to
    > > Canada from there.
    > >
    > > The IT situation may improve in a year or two. The Canadian economy is
    > > actually growing at around 3% per year, faster than the US.
    > >
    > > Note all the contradictions above. It's all a question of timing, your
    > > determinination and luck.
    > >
    > > "Raghu" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > If you have a stable job in software, back in india, i suggest you are
    > > > better off working & saving a good money in india rather than making
an
    > > > adventure in Canada/USA. I think you can save more money in
    > > > India(Consider family travel expenses for a family, atleast once every
2
    > > > yrs and sponsoring travel trips of immediate family members)
    > > >
    > > > But if your interest is to settle down in a western country, then you
    > > > may try for canadian immigration. It really tests one's mental
strength
    > > > and patience( a long process with different stages)and chances of
    > > > unemployment is 50% even after migration for an average IT skillset in
    > > > the present market.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old May 7th 2003, 1:31 am
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India in my opinion is a better place to live than Canada especially when you
got a good job there.

    >Subject: Re: Jobs in Canada
    >From: "C Nagappa" [email protected]
    >Date: 5/6/03 10:21 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
    >Message-id:
    >Another thing to think about, even if you do get a job in Canada - the
    >salaries for software professionals are pretty low (by western standards).
    >Starting salaries for software developers are around $40K (Canadian). I know
    >project managers in India who make that kind of money (Rs. 100,000 per
    >month). And that money goes a long, long, way there.
    >That said, if you manage to find a good software job, willing to stick to
    >your guns, and stay here four years and become a Canadian citizen - your
    >long term prospects would certainly be much better than staying in India.
    >But note the big "if".
    >"Vinu" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Hi,
    >> Thanks all for the sincere comments though most of them were
    >> discouraging.
    >> But I was going through CIC and HRDC websites which states there is
    >> acute shortage of Software professionals in Canadian job market and
    >> Canada encourage immigration of people with such skills.
    >> Is that all baseless?
    >> Experts and experienced people, please advise all the aspitants who
    >> are dreaming of good future in Canada and help them make right
    >> decision.
    >> Thanks,
    >> "C Nagappa" wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> > I does not hurt to try anyway. If you can manage to establish yourself
    >here,
    >> > life it is actually quite rewarding!!
    >> >
    >> > The IT job market is extremely tight in both the US and Canada. So for
    >now,
    >> > my feeling is you are better off with an IT job in India.
    >> >
    >> > Why don't you first try applying for a job (H1 visa) in the US? My guess
    >is
    >> > if you cannot find a job in the US, then it is certainly more difficult
    >in
    >> > Canada (at present). If you manage to get into the US, then you can
    >apply to
    >> > Canada from there.
    >> >
    >> > The IT situation may improve in a year or two. The Canadian economy is
    >> > actually growing at around 3% per year, faster than the US.
    >> >
    >> > Note all the contradictions above. It's all a question of timing, your
    >> > determinination and luck.
    >> >
    >> > "Raghu" wrote in message
    >> > news:[email protected]...
    >> > >
    >> > > If you have a stable job in software, back in india, i suggest you are
    >> > > better off working & saving a good money in india rather than making
    >an
    >> > > adventure in Canada/USA. I think you can save more money in
 
Old May 7th 2003, 11:09 am
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you said "Canada is producing jobs but
not hitech jobs." so it contradicts your comment that "No jobs in Canada".
logically, low paying jobs = still a job.

"NorthernLigths25" wrote in message
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    > No jobs in Canada.
    > >Subject: Re: Jobs in Canada
    > >From: [email protected] (Aaron)
    > >Date: 5/6/03 1:25 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
    > >Message-id:
    > >
    > >You must know that like governments anywhere, the Canadian government
    > >agencies usually get their data, analysis and reports way out of wack
    > >with current reality. They should have done the skilled worker
    > >immigration in the late 90s 1997-99 when there was a shortage of
    > >programmers and many companies had to suffer as a result. Now there
    > >are no companies and the programmers dime-a-dozen.
    > >
    > >But remember Canada's economy has been tepid even in the best of times
    > >- even in the late 90s boomtime, Canada was nowhere near the US
    > >economy's growth rates. I knew several new immigrants - very qualified
    > >engineers from India, Russia, Ukraine etc. who were hunting for jobs
    > >in the 90s and usually ended up being underemployed. I knew a Stanford
    > >Master's grad from India who was programming in Visual Basic and
    > >Access(!) for some local accounting company.
    > >
    > >Not to discourage you or anything, but I think you have much better
    > >opportunities, projects and interesting stuff to do in places like
    > >India than in Canada. But if you are willing to risk it to come here
    > >deliver pizzas and drive a cab for a while while you lookout for a
    > >good job - it might just work out who knows?
    > >
    > >That would be my thought anyways...
    > >
    > >Good luck
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
 
Old May 7th 2003, 3:14 pm
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Hi fellow Indian

If your job in India is stable & good paying you're much better of in India than delivering pizza in Canada. I'm also a s/w professional presently working in UK for an Indian firm. You better first come in western contries thru your job. Without a decent salary everymonth, you simply can't survive in these countries!
Believe me... in India, even if you lose your job, you still can be supported by your family... but in western countries, you are in total calamity without a good job... if you want to immigrate to Canada, first get a job offer... in that case even if you lose that job after sometime, you'll have canadian experience by that time which will help you getting your next job....

And remember, India is quite a good place to live in nowadays... India's economy is improving quite steadily and you still can earn a good amount of money there in s/w profession.

Just my personal opinions.... :-)
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