Inter company transfer question?

Old Dec 11th 2014, 1:35 am
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Hi,

I would like to wish everyone happy Christmas and New Year.

I have a question which I hope some of you can help with.

I have applied for IEC 2014, got the initial positive letter, sent additional info (police check, paid 155 dollars, completed various forms, CV and paper work), fingers crossed will get a positive result.

I have been glued to this forum reading the various threads and permutations of extensions, PNP nomination, EE discussions... etc folks kindly shared. IF I am successful and get the invitation letter, this will be my only one, as I am a brit and 30. Will not have the opportunity to apply for a second IEC

I initially considered quitting my job (if a positive result comes from CIC) and taking the risk, I selected to go to Winnipeg, as I heard Manitoba has less stringent demand for PNP nomination compared to Ontario, Alberta or BC at the conclusion of my IEC (– I may be utterly wrong here, but that is the impression I got from reading the forum discussions). But then I thought why not ask my organisation for inter-company transfer? We have an office in Toronto. I can ask to be transferred under the specialist skill “Qualified intra-company transferees require work permits and are LMO exempt under R205(a)” according to CIC website. I can declare NOC 2171 or 2172 (Database analyst, information systems type role).

According to CIC, I need to have worked for the organisation for 5 years and in the role for 2 years. I have been working for my organisation for the past 6 years and working in this particular role for 2.5 years, comfortably meet this requirement.

I have been working with the Toronto office since 2012, gathering their HR/Business requirements for our future HR system. So it is not standard software implementation, but it is configuration, development and build.

“To be exempt from LMO, the transferee has to demonstrate he/she has unique knowledge about the organisation, process, that may not otherwise be available in the Canadian market”. Well, I represent our Canada office, therefore the skill I have doesn't exist in our Canada office. Our company structure and inner working is so complex, it is not easy to integrate someone new quickly.

Over the next 12 months will develop, configure, test, import… and the new HR database will be up and running in 2016. Which means in 2016, they will need me to be there to support them post migration phase.

For the first 12 months, working in our Toronto office will not be a problem because I will have a work permit under the IEC. My aim is to start the inter-company transfer as soon as I get there. If it takes 12 months, max then fine I don’t need to worry.

Has anyone done inter-company transfer or know the inner workings?

Will this option be workable or am I day dreaming and wishful thinking here? Any feedback is very much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Shenkor
I initially considered quitting my job (if a positive result comes from CIC) and taking the risk, I selected to go to Winnipeg, as I heard Manitoba has less stringent demand for PNP nomination compared to Ontario, Alberta or BC at the conclusion of my IEC (– I may be utterly wrong here, but that is the impression I got from reading the forum discussions).
I would agree with that.

Originally Posted by Shenkor
According to CIC, I need to have worked for the organisation for 5 years and in the role for 2 years. I have been working for my organisation for the past 6 years and working in this particular role for 2.5 years, comfortably meet this requirement.
It's actually 1 year in the previous 3.

Originally Posted by Shenkor
Over the next 12 months will develop, configure, test, import… and the new HR database will be up and running in 2016. Which means in 2016, they will need me to be there to support them post migration phase.

For the first 12 months, working in our Toronto office will not be a problem because I will have a work permit under the IEC. My aim is to start the inter-company transfer as soon as I get there. If it takes 12 months, max then fine I don’t need to worry.

Has anyone done inter-company transfer or know the inner workings?

Will this option be workable or am I day dreaming and wishful thinking here? Any feedback is very much appreciated.

Cheers
It's certainly feasible, as long as you definitely meet the requirements of 'specialist knowledge' i.e. they couldn't get a Canadian to do it, you can prove how vital you are to the company etc.

You've read the Wiki article I take it? You must meet the criteria outlined in that, and this may be useful additional reading if you haven't already seen it - Operational Bulletin 575 – June 9, 2014

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What do you mean you have applied for IEC 2014? This opened and closed a while back, also I am pretty sure I paid $100 for the application.
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What do you mean you have applied for IEC 2014? This opened and closed a while back, also I am pretty sure I paid $100 for the application.
There are still people that haven't reached the final stages yet, presumably the OP is one of them.

And it is $150 participation fee.

HTH.
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Originally Posted by cbrown89
What do you mean you have applied for IEC 2014? This opened and closed a while back, also I am pretty sure I paid $100 for the application.
Hi

I created a Kompass account in Jan 2014 and submitted my application. My application status was 'overflown'. After 10 months of silence, i got an email in late October and when i checked my account, my application was accepted and i had a conditional offer. Within a week i paid 155 dollars, completed all the forms, had police check done and submitted my form to CIC. i am waiting to hear the result. Hopefully will get positive answer from CIC by the beginning of Feb latest. UK application processing time is approx 2 months. May take more time because of the festive break coming up.
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
I would agree with that.



It's actually 1 year in the previous 3.



It's certainly feasible, as long as you definitely meet the requirements of 'specialist knowledge' i.e. they couldn't get a Canadian to do it, you can prove how vital you are to the company etc.

You've read the Wiki article I take it? You must meet the criteria outlined in that, and this may be useful additional reading if you haven't already seen it - Operational Bulletin 575 – June 9, 2014

Good luck!
Thank you very much christmasoompa

I hope i meet the requirement of the proprietary knowledge. The organisation i work for is an international not for profit. We have our own way of working. It is unique to us, and works for us. every organisation has unique way of operating. Our way of working does not suit other organisations.

My knowledge is not so unique that no one else in Canada can do it, it's just to bring someone new at this stage will impact on the project until the person catches up on 3 years of work history. The new comer had to learn 30 countries HR processes, 25 countries HR/recruitment/employment rules and 30 finance systems processes, 5 logistics system processes. help configure a software to be used for 29 countries plus close to 250 affiliate shops worldwide. In addition, be responsible for 9 countries data migration preparation, support 60+ people globally on how to use the incoming system...etc

I hope a friendly CIC officer will be persuaded to give me the benefit of the doubt.

Thanks for the suggested link, i had already read through it. Will keep on searching for scraps of info from CIC.
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Q1. Does anyone know if the introduction of express entry has bearing on the quota of inter company transfer?

Q2. Will it be better to start the inter company process whilst on IEC (once in Canada) or now?

Q3. Once a positive answer is given on IEC (in terms of work permit approval), when will my 12 months countdown begin? From the moment i arrive in Canada and activate the process or from when the letter/email of approval is issued?

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Originally Posted by Shenkor
Q1. Does anyone know if the introduction of express entry has bearing on the quota of inter company transfer?

Q2. Will it be better to start the inter company process whilst on IEC (once in Canada) or now?

Q3. Once a positive answer is given on IEC (in terms of work permit approval), when will my 12 months countdown begin? From the moment i arrive in Canada and activate the process or from when the letter/email of approval is issued?

cheers
1. No it shouldn't
3. The 12 months starts the day you get issued a work permit.

If you believe you qualify for the Intra Co Transfer then why did the company not apply for one as opposed to you applying for the IEC?
Temporary Foreign Worker Program: Canadian interests – Significant benefit – Intra-company transferees R205(a), C12
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
1. No it shouldn't
3. The 12 months starts the day you get issued a work permit.

If you believe you qualify for the Intra Co Transfer then why did the company not apply for one as opposed to you applying for the IEC?
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Thanks Former Lancastrian for clarification on the work permit.

Regarding the inter company transfer, our office in Toronto, actively discourages employees from outside Canada who do not have work permit to move to Canada unless it is a senior management roles. They want to limit the amount of work permit application (LMO) to absolute minimum.

I wanted to move to Canada to see if the quality of life is better or not (for few years now)compared to UK (manchester). I applied for IEC on the off chance but i honestly did not think i will get a positive result.

Work wise, i was already based in manchester, and since i didn't have a Canada work permit, even if i was working supporting the Toronto office, it was difficult to ask for transfer. plus i didn't know about inter company transfer until now.

Now that initial IEC letter is positive and i know about inter company transfer, i will ask my organisation if they will transfer my role to Canada. applying under the company transfer, our toronto office don't need to apply for LMO, plus with IEC they will have 1 year for them to get the ball rolling (win win).
It's only my personal opinion that i qualify under the inter company route based on what i have read. Our Toronto and UK office may not agree or be willing to accept this proposal, but it wouldn't hurt to try. [/I]

My job is specialist in the organisation. I have 4 other colleagues, all of us in Europe and between the 5 of us we are developing HR system for the whole organisation (annual income of 1 billion usd). None of my colleagues want to move to Canada, but i do.

The positive aspect of my job is that, at the moment i am based in UK but i am a liaison for 10 countries (in Asia, Africa, north America and Europe) 3 different time zones and i have proved i can work successfully wherever i am located. Fingers crossed for a positive reply from my organisation.

We are about to embark on a multi million euro project, and i hope they will see the value i bring and will not stand in my way for the sake of a little effort and paperwork.
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Originally Posted by Shenkor
Regarding the inter company transfer, our office in Toronto, actively discourages employees from outside Canada who do not have work permit to move to Canada unless it is a senior management roles. They want to limit the amount of work permit application (LMO) to absolute minimum.
??? The main advantage of an intra-company transfer is that no LMIA (the new name for LMO's) is needed.
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