JakeC1990

Hi all,

Just want to start by saying what a helpful forum this has been and how valuable the wiki 'quick guide' is, it answered a lot of questions we had. Unfortunately the answers were not good, both me and my partner appear ineligible for express entry and permenant residency. Myself, age 31, have a University degree but not a lot of work experience, I have been a professional athlete and self employed for the past few years. My partner, age 33, has little education but 8 years of police service for the metropolitan police and is currently still employed by the police. Honestly, given her police experience I thought she would be a shoe in but that's not the case. Could anyone recommend any other visa options or avenues we could take to get to Canada? Even just a simple work visa would be great so we could get some Canadian work experience under our belt and look into residency in the future.

We are now considering talking to an immigration lawyer or even looking at internships, however I never quite know how much I should trust these work abroad companies.

Any help would be very appreciated, thanks in advance.

Jake.

Siouxie

Hello and welcome to BE!

What makes you believe that you can't qualify for Express Entry? Do double check your EE points, using the guide by Christmasoompa, putting down that you have taken IELTS and got top marks, have had your ECE completed and have sufficient funds... then post back with the breakdown - somebody will be along to advise, once you do - it could be something you have missed when completing the wizard..
https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Quick..._by_step_guide

EE is only 1 route to PR - of which there are many, including Provincial nomination (EE or non-EE routes), self employed Entrepreneur, Start up and pilot projects for many provinces.

We generally don't recommend employing 'Immigration specialists' unless you have a complex background (multiple marriages/health issues/criminal background) which sounds unlikely in your case! They can't magic up points you don't have and information for finding routes to PR can be found on the official websites of Govt of Ontario and the Provincial websites, together with the invaluable help of our experts who offer advice free of charge! If all else failed you could consider taking 'the study route' - though it's long and expensive.. where there's a will there's a way..

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...te-canada.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ees/works.html

You mention being an athlete and self employed - there is a self employed route you would likely qualiify for, but it's not fast - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...igibility.html

JakeC1990

We have followed the guidelines on how to answer the EE questionnaire and we failed, we shall try again and share our results here, perhaps that will help 😁

christmasoompa

Definitely a good idea, it's very rare for somebody to be completely ineligible for EE, so hopefully we can help you figure it out. It's probably something really simple.

Worth nothing that your partner wouldn't be able to carry on working as a police officer in Canada unless she was a PR or citizen, so that's something to consider when looking at visas if that's what she'd like to do.

JakeC1990

Hi all, thanks for the help so far... we have re done our express entry questionnaire and both been told we 'do not appear to be eligible for Express Entry'. We are putting in full marks for out IELTS test, we have our ECA completed and put we have the most amount of funds possible on selection (which is true).

On my behalf I believe it is my work experience, when asked 'how many years skilled work experience do you have over the past 10 years' I put one year, this is as I have been in my current job for one year, I'm not actualy sure what is classed as skilled work. I do put that I have a University Degree tho.

Now for my partner I assume its her education. We are entering, high school dipola, as after her GCSE'S she attended 3 years of dance college but that is not a recognised degree or qualification. When asked if she has skilled work experience we enter 6 years plus as I'm assuming police work is skilled work.

We are applying for Alberta. There is a question about experience in certain occupations such as industrial, electrical, bakers etc. We obviously answer no to this.

Now as for our CRS scores, I am scoring a 405 and my partner scores a 304, assuming because of her lack of education and being 33.

Any help on other options or how to improve our situation would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

bryndog1950

Based on the information you have provided, you should be eligible to create an Express Entry profile.
When you did your questionnaire did you include your partner as accompanying and also included her language results?
If you did not, I think that is where you might be losing points that you need.

Siouxie

Can you give a breakdown of your points please - it's very unusual for somebody to be completely ineligible - perhaps not enough points to get an invite, but most people are eligible to enter the pool.

Do have a look into the self employed route as well.. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...igibility.html

You aren't applying specifically for 'Alberta' under Express Entry - although Albert might choose to pick you from the pool.
Many jobs are skilled... do look up your NOC code and determine which is the best fit for you - but you only need 1 year of skilled work experience to qualify, the more years you have the more points you are likely to get..

https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3V...16&MLV=4&CLV=4
https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3V...9&VST=01012016
https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/Mat...b6e0ecd4625357

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...d-workers.html

JakeC1990

Hi all, sorry for the late reply.

So far i have been entering us both through express entry seperatly as we are not married. But i have just tried again under common law partners. Now with my girlfriend as the main party we are still not eligible which seems bizzare with her 6+ years of skilled work experince, again im assuming its her eduction thats the issue. However with me as the main party we are eligible, finally!! Despite only having 1 year of skilled work, my only worry is that word 'skilled', i am simply a warehouse operative who has been promoted to a supervisor for a few months, i am also employed by a temp agency on a 0 hour contract, not sure this will do as work experience. The express entry does not give us a points breakdown, just a an answer of eligable or ineligible.

As for the CRS, with me as main party and adding my girlfriend, i score a 402 with the follwoing breakdown,

Core/Human capital factors

• Age = 90
• Level of education = 112
• Official Languages = 128
  • First Official Language = 128
  • Second Official Language = 0
• Canadian work experience = 0

Subtotal - Core/Human capital factors = 330

Spouse factors

• Level of education = 2
• First Official Languages = 20
• Canadian work experience = 0

Subtotal - Spouse factors = 22

Skill transferability factors

Education (to a maximum of 50 points)

• A) Official Language proficiency and education = 25
• B) Canadian work experience and education = 0

Subtotal = 25

Foreign work experience (to a maximum of 50 points)

• A) Official Language proficiency and foreign work experience = 25
• B) Canadian and foreign work experience = 0

Subtotal = 25

Certificate of qualification = 0

Subtotal Skill transferability factors = 50

With my girlfriend as the main party we score 314. Again any help would be greatly appreciated.

I do have one question, my partner received her GCSE's and then attended 3 years of dance college. She is addement that her dance college was not a degree or a recognised qualifiction so we are enetering high school diploma for her eduction, but with her 3 years of dance college i can enter 3 years at college. However she seems to think she received no certificate or way of proving her time at this college. Should i be entering these years at dance college on her form?

christmasoompa

To qualify as common-law partners, you must have lived together in a 'marriage like relationship' for a year or more. Is that the case? If so, then yes, you can go on the same application.

Sounds like she's not scoring enough to qualify as a Federal Skilled Worker. She'll need at least 67 or more on this points score just to qualify and be able to enter the pool of applicants under EE. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...d-workers.html

You need to find out your NOC code, and Skill Level. Skill Levels A, O or B on the NOC Matrix are classed as 'skilled', Skill Levels C or D are not. It may be that your supervisory role will count as skilled, but you will need to have done that for at least one full year to qualify as a Federal Skilled Worker. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...tion-code.html

But why are you not including your experience as an athlete? That is a skilled job. You need to include any job you've done, not just what you're currently doing, so need to check your NOC codes and Skill Levels for every job you've done in the past 10 years. 402 won't be anywhere near enough to get you PR, but if you include other work experience that may just bump you up enough.

Unfortunately she's right. Professional or vocational qualifications don't count for points purposes, only academic ones do. And she definitely can't claim points for something she didn't receive a qualification for.

Do double check your NOC and Skill Levels, does that change anything with regards to your points?

Siouxie

+1

JakeC1990 You mention being an athlete and self employed - there is a self employed route you may qualiify for if all else fails, but it's not fast - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...igibility.html

JakeC1990

Hi all,

Firstly, yes, we have lived together just over a year and can prove that easily, been together 7 years and engaged, so common law should apply to us.

My main concern as applying as an athlete is that my sport is Professional MMA, MMA is not always a recognised sport so I'm not sure if it would be excepted, although I have seen boxer on the list. I would also fear it may not be seen as 'full time' or when they see my earnings through the years through the sport they would not except it.

Even if I put 5 years of skilled work my CRS score still only reaches 430, although I do qualify for EE. It seems some Canadian work experience would be a massive help, or even a Canadian job offer, but seems unlikely to get one without a visa right?