Disillusioned

My application for PR was declined recently by CHC London under the
new IRPA selection critea - citing insufficient points - I was awarded
71 points of a possible 100.

I have to still come to terms with the refusal for the following
reasons:

I was awarded only 20 points under the Education criteria - for my
Bachelors Degree - no further consideration made for post degree
professional education viz Chartered Accountancy and other
professional programs i secured.

Secondly i received only 4 points under the Adaptability critera - for
my wifes education qualification - I sincerely believe i should have
received 9 points as i disclosed family relationship in Canada.

What disturbs me is - these 5 points were conveniently omitted from my
assessment - despite the fact this realtionship was noted on my
application and relevant documentation to confirm this viz Canadian
passport copies and baptism certificates were submitted to prove blood
relationship.

I seek advice in remedying this oversight as i believe i should have
got 76 points under a fair assessment and would have qualified for
migration to Canada

I hope this is not CIC's way of promoting "Equal Opportunities for
Potential Migrants" because i feel descriminated even before putting
foot on Canadian soil.

Is there a way to correctly address this refusal or should i conclude
my application was refused for being over qualified.

Andrew Miller

It is impossible to assess what and why happened to your Education factor
points without knowing all details of your education - years (full and part
time), programs, schools, degrees, diplomas, etc.

As far as points for relatives in Canada - did you document having your (or
your spouse's) parents, grandparent, sibling, child, niece, nephew, aunt or
uncle in Canada? You can only get points for having one of listed relative,
no other relatives will be counted. Also claimed relative must live in
Canada.

You can only challenge refusal decision if such was made in error or in
disregard of the law.

But again - nobody can tell you what (if anything) can be done without
detailed assessment of your case. You may email me directly for further
assistance.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"Disillusioned" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > My application for PR was declined recently by CHC London under the
    > new IRPA selection critea - citing insufficient points - I was awarded
    > 71 points of a possible 100.
    > I have to still come to terms with the refusal for the following
    > reasons:
    > I was awarded only 20 points under the Education criteria - for my
    > Bachelors Degree - no further consideration made for post degree
    > professional education viz Chartered Accountancy and other
    > professional programs i secured.
    > Secondly i received only 4 points under the Adaptability critera - for
    > my wifes education qualification - I sincerely believe i should have
    > received 9 points as i disclosed family relationship in Canada.
    > What disturbs me is - these 5 points were conveniently omitted from my
    > assessment - despite the fact this realtionship was noted on my
    > application and relevant documentation to confirm this viz Canadian
    > passport copies and baptism certificates were submitted to prove blood
    > relationship.
    > I seek advice in remedying this oversight as i believe i should have
    > got 76 points under a fair assessment and would have qualified for
    > migration to Canada
    > I hope this is not CIC's way of promoting "Equal Opportunities for
    > Potential Migrants" because i feel descriminated even before putting
    > foot on Canadian soil.
    > Is there a way to correctly address this refusal or should i conclude
    > my application was refused for being over qualified.

Disillusioned

Mr Miller,

I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.

Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.

I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
brothers as proof of residence.

Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
clearly indicate the existence of common parents.

I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
or a gross error of judgement.

Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
look forward to your advice at the earliest.

Andrew Miller

If this is the case and you were not awarded points for relatives in Canada
(within 10 points maximum in Adaptability factor) then assessment was made
in error and not only can but should be challenged. Note that you have
limited time for the challenge and clock is ticking fast...

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"Disillusioned" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller,
    > I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.
    > Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
    > filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
    > immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.
    > I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
    > ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
    > Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
    > brothers as proof of residence.
    > Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
    > my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
    > My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
    > clearly indicate the existence of common parents.
    > I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
    > or a gross error of judgement.
    > Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
    > look forward to your advice at the earliest.

pkjmet

[email protected] (Disillusioned) wrote in message news:...
    > Mr Miller,
    >
    > I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.
    >
    > Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
    > filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
    > immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.
    >
    > I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
    > ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
    > Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
    > brothers as proof of residence.
    >
    > Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
    > my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
    > My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
    > clearly indicate the existence of common parents.
    >
    > I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
    > or a gross error of judgement.
    >
    > Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
    > look forward to your advice at the earliest.



If you have a CA designation you should have received 22 points for
education on the basis that you have completed the equivalent of a
Trade certificate or apprenticeship. If you have a brother who is a
CDN Citizen and who resides in Canada you should have been awarded 5
points. If he does not reside in Canada you receive no points. Out of
interest who signed the refusal letter. If you were eligible for 22
points and 5 for your brother you were robbed. A letter to the visa
officer concerened may suffice to re open your case.

Jim Metcalfe, Consultant and former visa officer

Allen_liem

Mr Miller,

How long (maximum time) after decision made by CIC that one allows to challenge?

Thanks,
Allen


"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > If this is the case and you were not awarded points for relatives in Canada
    > (within 10 points maximum in Adaptability factor) then assessment was made
    > in error and not only can but should be challenged. Note that you have
    > limited time for the challenge and clock is ticking fast...
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    >
    > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    >
    > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "Disillusioned" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Mr Miller,
    > >
    > > I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.
    > >
    > > Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
    > > filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
    > > immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.
    > >
    > > I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
    > > ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
    > > Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
    > > brothers as proof of residence.
    > >
    > > Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
    > > my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
    > > My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
    > > clearly indicate the existence of common parents.
    > >
    > > I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
    > > or a gross error of judgement.
    > >
    > > Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
    > > look forward to your advice at the earliest.

Andrew Miller

Up to 60 days.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"Allen_liem" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr Miller,
    > How long (maximum time) after decision made by CIC that one allows to
challenge?
    > Thanks,
    > Allen
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > If this is the case and you were not awarded points for relatives in
Canada
    > > (within 10 points maximum in Adaptability factor) then assessment was
made
    > > in error and not only can but should be challenged. Note that you have
    > > limited time for the challenge and clock is ticking fast...
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > >
    > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
    > >
    > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Disillusioned" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Mr Miller,
    > > >
    > > > I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.
    > > >
    > > > Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
    > > > filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
    > > > immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.
    > > >
    > > > I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
    > > > ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
    > > > Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
    > > > brothers as proof of residence.
    > > >
    > > > Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
    > > > my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
    > > > My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
    > > > clearly indicate the existence of common parents.
    > > >
    > > > I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
    > > > or a gross error of judgement.
    > > >
    > > > Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
    > > > look forward to your advice at the earliest.

Bill Stephen

Dear poster,
are you a registered CA or inter CA ?
bill

[email protected] (Disillusioned) wrote in message news:...
    > My application for PR was declined recently by CHC London under the
    > new IRPA selection critea - citing insufficient points - I was awarded
    > 71 points of a possible 100.
    >
    > I have to still come to terms with the refusal for the following
    > reasons:
    >
    > I was awarded only 20 points under the Education criteria - for my
    > Bachelors Degree - no further consideration made for post degree
    > professional education viz Chartered Accountancy and other
    > professional programs i secured.
    >
    > Secondly i received only 4 points under the Adaptability critera - for
    > my wifes education qualification - I sincerely believe i should have
    > received 9 points as i disclosed family relationship in Canada.
    >
    > What disturbs me is - these 5 points were conveniently omitted from my
    > assessment - despite the fact this realtionship was noted on my
    > application and relevant documentation to confirm this viz Canadian
    > passport copies and baptism certificates were submitted to prove blood
    > relationship.
    >
    > I seek advice in remedying this oversight as i believe i should have
    > got 76 points under a fair assessment and would have qualified for
    > migration to Canada
    >
    > I hope this is not CIC's way of promoting "Equal Opportunities for
    > Potential Migrants" because i feel descriminated even before putting
    > foot on Canadian soil.
    >
    > Is there a way to correctly address this refusal or should i conclude
    > my application was refused for being over qualified.

pkjmet

[email protected] wrote in message news:...
    > [email protected] (Disillusioned) wrote in message news:...
    > > Mr Miller,
    > >
    > > I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.
    > >
    > > Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
    > > filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
    > > immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.
    > >
    > > I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
    > > ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
    > > Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
    > > brothers as proof of residence.
    > >
    > > Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
    > > my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
    > > My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
    > > clearly indicate the existence of common parents.
    > >
    > > I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
    > > or a gross error of judgement.
    > >
    > > Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
    > > look forward to your advice at the earliest.
    >
    >
    >
    > If you have a CA designation you should have received 22 points for
    > education on the basis that you have completed the equivalent of a
    > Trade certificate or apprenticeship. If you have a brother who is a
    > CDN Citizen and who resides in Canada you should have been awarded 5
    > points. If he does not reside in Canada you receive no points. Out of
    > interest who signed the refusal letter. If you were eligible for 22
    > points and 5 for your brother you were robbed. A letter to the visa
    > officer concerened may suffice to re open your case.
    >
    > Jim Metcalfe, Consultant and former visa officer




The 60 days mentioned earlier is for a request to the Federal Court of
Canada for a Judicial Review. You will have to weigh the costs of a JR
against the time it takes, up to 18 months, versus questioning the
visa officer directly. My advice would be to get a copy of the CAIPS
notes as soon as possible and seek advice frorm someone who can
interpret the remarks and review your application. It appears that you
were robbed but we only have your side of the story.

Jim Metcalfe

pkjmet

[email protected] wrote in message news:...
    > [email protected] (Disillusioned) wrote in message news:...
    > > Mr Miller,
    > >
    > > I sincerely thank you for taking time to reply to my email.
    > >
    > > Correct me if I interpret this inaccurately - The immigration forms I
    > > filled in and submitted clearly require details of mine and my spouses
    > > immediate family viz parents, brothers, sisters etc.
    > >
    > > I have documented this data on the information sheet and with no
    > > ambiguity noted the fact that i have two brothers well settled in
    > > Canada - I have also provided present residential addresses for both
    > > brothers as proof of residence.
    > >
    > > Photocopies of a canadian passport and baptism certificate for one of
    > > my elder brothers was also provided to prove the blood relationship -
    > > My baptism certificate and the Baptism certificate of my brother
    > > clearly indicate the existence of common parents.
    > >
    > > I therefore have no doubt that this assessment is either an oversight
    > > or a gross error of judgement.
    > >
    > > Is it possible for me to take your help to remedy this situation and i
    > > look forward to your advice at the earliest.
    >
    >
    >
    > If you have a CA designation you should have received 22 points for
    > education on the basis that you have completed the equivalent of a
    > Trade certificate or apprenticeship. If you have a brother who is a
    > CDN Citizen and who resides in Canada you should have been awarded 5
    > points. If he does not reside in Canada you receive no points. Out of
    > interest who signed the refusal letter. If you were eligible for 22
    > points and 5 for your brother you were robbed. A letter to the visa
    > officer concerened may suffice to re open your case.
    >
    > Jim Metcalfe, Consultant and former visa officer




The 60 days mentioned earlier is for a request to the Federal Court of
Canada for a Judicial Review. You will have to weigh the costs of a JR
against the time it takes, up to 18 months, versus questioning the
visa officer directly. My advice would be to get a copy of the CAIPS
notes as soon as possible and seek advice frorm someone who can
interpret the remarks and review your application. It appears that you
were robbed but we only have your side of the story.

Jim Metcalfe

Disillusioned

Yes - I am a registered member of the Institute of Chartered
Accountants and also a member of the Institute of Management
Accountants in USA where i hold Certification as a Management
Accountant and a Financial Manager.

Besides this - I am also a Certified Informations Systems Auditor from
USA


As for my brothers in Canada - I have not one but two resident there.
So i feel all the more cheated that having the qualifications,
adequate settlement funds and the family to support me - i am still
disqualified.

Andrew Miller

There may be various reasons for not being awarded points as desired - it
may be error made by processing officer or lack of conclusive evidence
proving your claims are the most likely suspects here. Nobody can help you
without full assessment of your entire application package and CAIPS file -
in the meantime your time for action is running out.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)

For confidential phone consultation go here:

http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________


"Disillusioned" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Yes - I am a registered member of the Institute of Chartered
    > Accountants and also a member of the Institute of Management
    > Accountants in USA where i hold Certification as a Management
    > Accountant and a Financial Manager.
    > Besides this - I am also a Certified Informations Systems Auditor from
    > USA
    > As for my brothers in Canada - I have not one but two resident there.
    > So i feel all the more cheated that having the qualifications,
    > adequate settlement funds and the family to support me - i am still
    > disqualified.

Disillusioned

I suppose it would be unfair of me not to note for this information
boards attention and in particular my sincere thanks to Jim Humphreys
and Andrew Miller for the excellent advice given and which I followed
to reverse CHC's prior rejection of my application.

I have learnt one important lesson from this - CHC London also makes
mistakes like any other organisation - its however important for an
applicant to be open minded and highlight these mistakes to them and
in the right spirit with the hope it gets rectified as was done in my
case.

Andrew Miller

Does that mean congratulations are in order?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Disillusioned" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I suppose it would be unfair of me not to note for this information
    > boards attention and in particular my sincere thanks to Jim Humphreys
    > and Andrew Miller for the excellent advice given and which I followed
    > to reverse CHC's prior rejection of my application.
    > I have learnt one important lesson from this - CHC London also makes
    > mistakes like any other organisation - its however important for an
    > applicant to be open minded and highlight these mistakes to them and
    > in the right spirit with the hope it gets rectified as was done in my
    > case.

Disillusioned

Mr Miller - one small clarification please.

My CAIPS notes contain the following comment - CONDUCT F/WEB - can you
please indicate what this means

Thank you