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Old Dec 3rd 2016, 2:29 pm
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CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS

6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

You can look this up ...a good point to remember!

Also given the ETA messup..the government could very easily issue a Canadian Resident Visa for all dual citizens,. but thank goodness in the news recently the Liberal goverment is already in the process of repeal of this dual citizen cash grab in the interest of Canadian unity

Liberals to repeal Bill C-24 on citizenship: Immigration Minister - The Globe and Mail
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Interested as to what point you're making here?
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Originally Posted by Twitcher1958
Interested as to what point you're making here?
Yes...agreed it is pretty self explanatory
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From the article
Mr. McCallum said the government’s announcement will make it impossible to revoke citizenship.

Now the current Act states this
Revocation by Minister — fraud, false representation, etc.

10 (1) Subject to subsection 10.1(1), the Minister may revoke a person’s citizenship or renunciation of citizenship if the Minister is satisfied on a balance of probabilities that the person has obtained, retained, renounced or resumed his or her citizenship by false representation or fraud or by knowingly concealing material circumstances.

I tend to think the Liberals will leave this part alone so the article is somewhat misleading about it making it impossible to revoke citizenship unless McCallum is about to change section 10(1) which in my opinion is insanity.

In your other thread you mention eTA however there is nothing in the article regarding this. The Liberals could have got rid of this a year ago but they didn't and if flying directly into Canada from anywhere then a dual citizen needs a Canadian passport.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
From the article
In your other thread you mention eTA however there is nothing in the article regarding this. The Liberals could have got rid of this a year ago but they didn't and if flying directly into Canada from anywhere then a dual citizen needs a Canadian passport.
Not that it'll apply to many people here - but since Americans don't need an eTA to fly in, couldn't a dual Canadian/American citizen fly to Canada on their American passport, and then enter by proving citizenship status to CBSA?

(Sorry if a minor nitpick - more just wondering if I've misunderstood something about the citizens-must-use-passports requirement)
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Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
Not that it'll apply to many people here - but since Americans don't need an eTA to fly in, couldn't a dual Canadian/American citizen fly to Canada on their American passport, and then enter by proving citizenship status to CBSA?

(Sorry if a minor nitpick - more just wondering if I've misunderstood something about the citizens-must-use-passports requirement)
Yes they could and this is what is astounding some dual citizens. The full list of eTA exemptions are found here
Entry requirements by country

So person who is a dual citizen lets say Canada/France. The person has been living in France for the last 20 years and have maintained a French passport but let their Canadian one expire. They are now travelling to Canada and staying for 2 weeks to attend a wedding. If they want to fly to Canada they must travel on a Canadian passport.
Now they have to go through the procedures of getting a new passport and paying the fee.
BUT they decide sod that Im going to apply for ESTA and pay the $14 and get accepted online within minutes. They fly to the USA on their French passports. They were issued a Canadian Citizenship certificate and Citizenship card.
They drive to the Canadian border show their French passport and citizenship card and as the French might say VOILA they are admitted into Canada.

No Canadian passport required.

Perhaps the Canadian Government don't want or trust airline check in agents to be determining who is a Canadian citizen when no Canadian passport is produced.
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Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
Not that it'll apply to many people here - but since Americans don't need an eTA to fly in, couldn't a dual Canadian/American citizen fly to Canada on their American passport, and then enter by proving citizenship status to CBSA?

(Sorry if a minor nitpick - more just wondering if I've misunderstood something about the citizens-must-use-passports requirement)
Yes..if you are a dual American/Canadian none of the new entry rules apply to you and this person has the highest freedom to cross the borders out of all groups.
However the counterpart Canadian lets say 'Canadian Citizen/UK' dual who came here in their twenties in mid 70's and holds a Canadian citizenship does not hold the same rights and privileges as the American/Cdn at the border. perhaps this makes it easier for you to understand

The current dilemma applies to Canadian duals of other countries largely commonwealth and founding nations. France, UK, Australia...selected to purchase and hold two passports.
Alarmingly hundreds of thousands of older citizens with ctznship documents 1978 and earlier face an even bigger hurdle.

Seniors of Canada are now told when they apply for a passport the older citizenship documents are no longer proof of citizenship. They must apply for the new 8 x 11 citizenship document with photo, dates and other info on it. This is the new document govt wants us all to have despite already having gone through the citizenship process in the 70's. Like me if they came here 1978 and earlier they would be over 65 and on pension depending on age. Plus you must submit a written statement as to why you never applied for a Canadian Citizenship..they will not look at or accept your older original citizenship document. Nor are they respectful at the passport counter.

Hence citizens cannot apply for a Cdn passport until they have acquired a new citizenship document. This prevents the older citizen from travel for the next 6 months or maybe a year. The govt delays involved in applying for a new citizenship, passport and the prohibitive cost for pensioners is beyond the pale. Goodbye to travel 2017 and spend it on documentation. All govt application times for travel have doubled to quadrupled..Nexus is doubled. MPNP has gone from 21 months to 4yrs and so on.

It should be easy peasy to go to Border Services office and have them wet stamp older ctzn papers with a '2016 proof of citizenship' in order for a Canadian Snr Citizen to immediately apply for a Cdn passport using other passport for photo and birth ID. Or, issue a Canadian Resident Visa for travel so a person can still use older citizen documents. How long shall we live anyway? However it seems we bow to USA rules which is evidenced by the ease of their ability to enter and exit Canada.
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eTA isn't for entering or remaining in Canada: it's for visa exempt Foreign Nationals to get on the plane in order to arrive in Canada.

If you are a Canadian citizen and you show up at the border, once it is determined you are one, you have the right to enter. It's the law. But you have to get to the Canadian border first. You have to prove to airline check in staff in another country that you hold that status. Right now, the way to do that is to get a Canadian passport. You aren’t asking to enter Canada when you present at airline check in: you’re asking to get on a plane.

I’m not sure I follow what the article you linked to has to do with eTA.

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It should be easy peasy to go to Border Services office and have them wet stamp older ctzn papers with a '2016 proof of citizenship' in order for a Canadian Snr Citizen to immediately apply for a Cdn passport using other passport for photo and birth ID. Or, issue a Canadian Resident Visa for travel so a person can still use older citizen documents. How long shall we live anyway? However it seems we bow to USA rules which is evidenced by the ease of their ability to enter and exit Canada.

Sorry Citizenship is the responsibility of CIC or now known as Immigration Refugee and Citizenship Canada. The hint is in their title.
CBSA has always done the front line work for them and referred Immigration cases to dedicated Immigration employees. Since December 2003 there are no dedicated Immigration employees at POEs as that responsibility was shifted onto CBSA officers.

IRCC is still responsible for Citizenship so why not pop down to the local IRCC office and speak with them. Oh I forgot they closed their offices to the general public and you now need to make an appointment to see them unlike CBSA who have offices open to the public.
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No link to any article here.

The Vulcanoid poster said "(Sorry if a minor nitpick - more just wondering if I've misunderstood something about the citizens-must-use-passports requirement)"
We cannot be quite sure about what Vulcanoid understands therefore the explanation that follows that text
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Originally Posted by Snowy560
eTA isn't for entering or remaining in Canada: it's for visa exempt Foreign Nationals to get on the plane in order to arrive in Canada.

If you are a Canadian citizen and you show up at the border, once it is determined you are one, you have the right to enter. It's the law. But you have to get to the Canadian border first. You have to prove to airline check in staff in another country that you hold that status. Right now, the way to do that is to get a Canadian passport. You aren’t asking to enter Canada when you present at airline check in: you’re asking to get on a plane.

I’m not sure I follow what the article you linked to has to do with eTA.

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yes the panic is when leaving another country and trying to get back home. Unless you completely sell everything you own and choose a country with great winter weather and relatives (im thinking Australia) and not have to come back by reason of being detained permanently
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No link to any article here.

The Vulcanoid poster said "(Sorry if a minor nitpick - more just wondering if I've misunderstood something about the citizens-must-use-passports requirement)"
We cannot be quite sure about what Vulcanoid understands therefore the explanation that follows that text
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It wasn't addressed to you, and the lecture you followed with was entirely unnecessary. Former Lancastrian said a Canadian flying in from anywhere needed a Canadian passport. He has subsequently clarified that although most Canadians flying in from almost anywhere need a passport, there are exceptions.

I feel sorry for the government caseworkers you've been dealing with, based on the way you react to things around here.

In addition, the initial post you made starting this thread contained a link, which, as has been pointed out, has nothing to do with eTAs (which, as a citizen, you're not eligible for anyway, so is irrelevant to you).
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Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
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It wasn't addressed to you, and the lecture you followed with was entirely unnecessary. Former Lancastrian said a Canadian flying in from anywhere needed a Canadian passport. He has subsequently clarified that although most Canadians flying in from almost anywhere need a passport, there are exceptions.

I feel sorry for the government caseworkers you've been dealing with, based on the way you react to things around here.

In addition, the initial post you made starting this thread contained a link, which, as has been pointed out, has nothing to do with eTAs (which, as a citizen, you're not eligible for anyway, so is irrelevant to you).

ha ha haha

I began the thread under the headline 'important info for dual citizens' so all responses I therefore read and am entitled to qualify the answer as it pertains to the the original intent of my headline.

I want to help the OP understand whats going on as it does not seem he has a fundamental grasp of how the new rules apply to those with older citizenship documents and are dual Canadian Citizens and not US citizens.

I can see you are frustrated easily..you could perhaps try some meditation to calm down
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You're entitled to read anything you want. When you fail to understand what people are saying (as has happened repeatedly in just a few posts), you're not going to get far in a conversation.

Helpful hint so you can get further in life: You referred to 'wanting to help the OP'. You *are* the OP. It's right there at the top. Although I can see why you might want help.
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Given the nature of the three whingeing threads you have started and your attitude to other people within them, how on earth did you come up with that name?
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