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Old Jul 12th 2005, 11:23 am
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My partner and I are looking at going through the PR process within the next 6 months. His case has a few complications, i.e. non-custodial child from previous relationship. We are well researched about the process and the requirements for our application and can possibly handle it on our own but, at the same time, it might be beneficial to have some legal advice in order to avoid any errors and to save time in the process. On the downside, I can't forsee us being able to afford several thousands of dollars on legal fees in order to hire an immigration lawyer. I am curious as to whether there are different degrees of assistance which a lawyer or consultant can provide, and whether it is possible to get the advice/assistance of an experienced professional, while filling out forms etc. independently, in order to find a more economical way through the process. Not to sound like a cheapskape at all, I am just trying to be realistic about what we can afford and wondering whether any of the consultants or expats out there have any advice.
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[QUOTE=sheenoid]Hi!

Hi, An immigration lawyer can't do anything you can't do yourself except give you a second opinion on wether or not you have filled in the application form correctly. In my opinion, and i am nowhere near an expert, you should save your money and do it yourself. Having said all that, i am eternally grateful to the experts on here, andrew miller, jim humphries, pmm and all for there priceless help.
I still say they should set up a paypal account for donations, they could keep it or give it to charity, what do you think andrew/jim/pmm ?

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Old Jul 12th 2005, 1:36 pm
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Hi!

My partner and I are looking at going through the PR process within the next 6 months. His case has a few complications, i.e. non-custodial child from previous relationship. We are well researched about the process and the requirements for our application and can possibly handle it on our own but, at the same time, it might be beneficial to have some legal advice in order to avoid any errors and to save time in the process. On the downside, I can't forsee us being able to afford several thousands of dollars on legal fees in order to hire an immigration lawyer. I am curious as to whether there are different degrees of assistance which a lawyer or consultant can provide, and whether it is possible to get the advice/assistance of an experienced professional, while filling out forms etc. independently, in order to find a more economical way through the process. Not to sound like a cheapskape at all, I am just trying to be realistic about what we can afford and wondering whether any of the consultants or expats out there have any advice.
Hiring a lawyer definiitely helps but many do without it too!
If wishing, Andrew or Jim are the best!!!!
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Old Jul 12th 2005, 8:11 pm
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Hi,
I actually read somewhere in this forum that you can get a lawyer to look at your papers for 50 dollars and on another website, they said that you can get some free legal help from your community center as well. First 30 min. to talk with the lawyer were free. I am so sorry that I don't have that websites address. But, you can always contact your community center.

From my own experience, I'd say get a lawyer. I didn't and only I know how much I have suffered in the end. Got CAIPS twice. There wasn't much in it. Just the mention of what we have submitted with our application and what they have seen yet and what they haven't.

My partner wasn't ready to pay the 2k one lawyer was asking and we decided that we can do it by ourselves as forms were not looking that bad. But it's not forms which make your case. It's the evidence you provide. And don't think that you need to provide your existing relationship only. You need to provide evidence of previous relationships i.e. why you broke up and if your separation is legal or not. Don't assume that if your separation is legal in your country, it will be legal in Canada as well. Only a lawyer can give you the right advice about these things.

I know spending over 2k is hard but it is the best investment you'll ever make. People do it without the lawyers all the time and sometimes they get it, sometimes they don't. Same if you have a lawyer. But there is a difference between spending 500 bucks in a casino and spending 500 bucks in a share market with some knowledge. You can win or lose in any condition.

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Thanks for the advice. Still don't know what we will do, but it is good food for thought. Ideally, it would be great to have someone look over the final application and make suggestions on what is lacking/needed, without doing the whole thing for us, and sparing some of the expense. If that is possible, that would be perfect. How did your case turn out? It sounds like it didn't go too well, are you in process still? I am not too worried about proving the separation as my partner was never married before and in fact, wasn't even officially in a previous common-law relationship. He and former girlfriend fell pregnant unexpectedly, had a child, and unfortunately split up within a year of the child's birth. Then, post-break-up had a long custody battle, where she ultimately won full custody in the courts and moved away to Scotland, never to be heard from again. I think it is pretty clear cut, and sadly, but luckily for the PR process, custody matters were finalised through the courts. Unfortunately, this means that he can't include her on his application and will never be able to sponsor her, if she does make contact with him in later life. I hope you have not have too much grief in the application process. Did you make many mistakes or are you just uneasy because of the uncertainty and waiting. I don't think even having a lawyer can make you feel certain of your chances, although maybe it does make you feel a bit more confident.
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You mentioned chances. It is not about chances and never should be when hiring professional.

Hiring experienced and reputable immigration practitioner will simply take chances away from the equation. By DIY you will always have to take chances as you can't possibly know how to make perfect and conclusive application and eliminate all and any chances, regardless how many times you read the law and manuals, how many questions you ask here - is this what you really want?

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Thanks for the advice. Still don't know what we will do, but it is good food for thought. Ideally, it would be great to have someone look over the final application and make suggestions on what is lacking/needed, without doing the whole thing for us, and sparing some of the expense. If that is possible, that would be perfect. How did your case turn out? It sounds like it didn't go too well, are you in process still? I am not too worried about proving the separation as my partner was never married before and in fact, wasn't even officially in a previous common-law relationship. He and former girlfriend fell pregnant unexpectedly, had a child, and unfortunately split up within a year of the child's birth. Then, post-break-up had a long custody battle, where she ultimately won full custody in the courts and moved away to Scotland, never to be heard from again. I think it is pretty clear cut, and sadly, but luckily for the PR process, custody matters were finalised through the courts. Unfortunately, this means that he can't include her on his application and will never be able to sponsor her, if she does make contact with him in later life. I hope you have not have too much grief in the application process. Did you make many mistakes or are you just uneasy because of the uncertainty and waiting. I don't think even having a lawyer can make you feel certain of your chances, although maybe it does make you feel a bit more confident.
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Old Jul 13th 2005, 11:08 am
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I agree with and understand what you are saying Andrew. There is no doubt that a knowledgeable and experienced immigration practicioner could help to save you much time and avoid delays due to lack of preparation, help you to see obstacles that you may not have thought of,etc. On this note, I probably should find one! Not quite at the PR stage, but I would like to be thinking about it in the near future. Can you recommend a good professional in the Toronto area? Or at least a firm/site where I might find a reliable and experienced professional - I am a little wary of simply web searching or simply blind picking from the yellow pages.
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Originally Posted by sheenoid
Hi!

My partner and I are looking at going through the PR process within the next 6 months. His case has a few complications, i.e. non-custodial child from previous relationship. We are well researched about the process and the requirements for our application and can possibly handle it on our own but, at the same time, it might be beneficial to have some legal advice in order to avoid any errors and to save time in the process. On the downside, I can't forsee us being able to afford several thousands of dollars on legal fees in order to hire an immigration lawyer. I am curious as to whether there are different degrees of assistance which a lawyer or consultant can provide, and whether it is possible to get the advice/assistance of an experienced professional, while filling out forms etc. independently, in order to find a more economical way through the process. Not to sound like a cheapskape at all, I am just trying to be realistic about what we can afford and wondering whether any of the consultants or expats out there have any advice.
We used an immigration lawyer to help us with our application

As most guys have said you can do it yourself, but if you have any doubts whatsoever about the integrity of your application it may be wise to use the services of a lawyer or consultant

With my application, if it is accepted and we get the magical PR visa it will have been the most worthwhile and beneficial money I have ever spent.

It sounds as if you have doubts about the integrity of your application. If you have the funds, go and hire a lawyer or consultant.
They do make life easier in compiling your application and they do make sure your application is more or less bullet proof, by making sure you have submitted all the correct documentation.

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Old Jul 13th 2005, 12:03 pm
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You can hire practitioner based anywhere in Canada, you don't need to find one in Toronto.

For example over 95% of my clients are overseas anyway and they never meet me, not even after becoming PR.

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I agree with and understand what you are saying Andrew. There is no doubt that a knowledgeable and experienced immigration practicioner could help to save you much time and avoid delays due to lack of preparation, help you to see obstacles that you may not have thought of,etc. On this note, I probably should find one! Not quite at the PR stage, but I would like to be thinking about it in the near future. Can you recommend a good professional in the Toronto area? Or at least a firm/site where I might find a reliable and experienced professional - I am a little wary of simply web searching or simply blind picking from the yellow pages.
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Originally Posted by sheenoid
Thanks for the advice. Still don't know what we will do, but it is good food for thought. Ideally, it would be great to have someone look over the final application and make suggestions on what is lacking/needed, without doing the whole thing for us, and sparing some of the expense. If that is possible, that would be perfect. How did your case turn out? It sounds like it didn't go too well, are you in process still? I am not too worried about proving the separation as my partner was never married before and in fact, wasn't even officially in a previous common-law relationship. He and former girlfriend fell pregnant unexpectedly, had a child, and unfortunately split up within a year of the child's birth. Then, post-break-up had a long custody battle, where she ultimately won full custody in the courts and moved away to Scotland, never to be heard from again. I think it is pretty clear cut, and sadly, but luckily for the PR process, custody matters were finalised through the courts. Unfortunately, this means that he can't include her on his application and will never be able to sponsor her, if she does make contact with him in later life. I hope you have not have too much grief in the application process. Did you make many mistakes or are you just uneasy because of the uncertainty and waiting. I don't think even having a lawyer can make you feel certain of your chances, although maybe it does make you feel a bit more confident.
I have got the PR visa fortunately under conjugal partner category. But it was a real mess in the end. I have been married once and separated after one month and 13 days. My husband is a New Zealander and we were married in New Zealand. We had a simple separation agreement made by ourselves. Legal process is not required for separation in NZ if property or kids are not involved. After 2 years of separation, we can apply for divorce. This simple separation agreement wasn't legal as said by CHC.

In the end, we spent about 6k to attend the interview. Though we travelled around Australia as well in this 6k. I just think that my application wasn't well prepared though proof of our relationship weighed about 5 kg. I could have escaped the interview if my application was well prepared according to the Canadian law.
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Thanks Andrew, I sent you a PM to ask you a few questions regarding this.
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Thanks for your input P111111...etc. It is good to know that there are success stories, even with people with more complicated cases. Considering my spouse has a few complications in his bag, it probably would be a good idea to get some assistance with our application.
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Hi,

Not that I want to advertize anyone in particular, but you might want to consider a do-it-yourself kit. A few firms offers such kit:

http://www.immigrationfirm.ca/doityourselfkit.html

or;

http://www.doityourselfimmigration.com/

or;

http://www.atlasimmigration.ca/

or;

http://www.doityourselfimmigration.ca/

Can't tell which one's best.



Originally Posted by sheenoid
Hi!

My partner and I are looking at going through the PR process within the next 6 months. His case has a few complications, i.e. non-custodial child from previous relationship. We are well researched about the process and the requirements for our application and can possibly handle it on our own but, at the same time, it might be beneficial to have some legal advice in order to avoid any errors and to save time in the process. On the downside, I can't forsee us being able to afford several thousands of dollars on legal fees in order to hire an immigration lawyer. I am curious as to whether there are different degrees of assistance which a lawyer or consultant can provide, and whether it is possible to get the advice/assistance of an experienced professional, while filling out forms etc. independently, in order to find a more economical way through the process. Not to sound like a cheapskape at all, I am just trying to be realistic about what we can afford and wondering whether any of the consultants or expats out there have any advice.
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