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Old May 10th 2018, 7:13 am
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Hi
I have tried emailing this to both [email protected] & [email protected] but both addresses just bounce back as undeliverable, so sorry if this is not the right place.

I will complete an introduction, once I get help posting the below thread in the correct area.

I have just joined the forum, but am not yet a Canadian resident, but I am in the process of applying for Express Entry in order to work & live in Canada.
I was hoping to be able to ask Expats that have been through the process some questions regarding the application, if that would be allowed.
I would need Immigration to invite me & a company to offer a position to get enough points.
I have just completed the IELTS Test required for, but have found that I now need to pay $200 to get my HNC in Mechanical Engineering qualification converted to the Canadian equivalent, but this still may not be enough points for Express Entry.
I was hoping that a recent Expat could give me this information & advice on what points I could achieve, as it would be pointless going any further & wasting money, if I can't reach the amount required.
I have looked through the rules & I do not believe I would be breaking any, to request assistance, but will wait for your response first.
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Hi, and welcome to BE.

I've moved your thread to our Canadian immi forum, as the Welcome Inn is really just a place to say hello.

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I have tried emailing this to both [email protected] & [email protected] but both addresses just bounce back as undeliverable, so sorry if this is not the right place.
Those are just admin emails (although I will point out to them that they are not working!), so not the place to get questions answered. The forum is the place for that, so your post is perfect and in the right place to get some advice.

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I was hoping to be able to ask Expats that have been through the process some questions regarding the application, if that would be allowed.
Of course, that's what we're here for!

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I would need Immigration to invite me & a company to offer a position to get enough points.
So you need a job offer to get enough points?

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I have just completed the IELTS Test required for, but have found that I now need to pay $200 to get my HNC in Mechanical Engineering qualification converted to the Canadian equivalent, but this still may not be enough points for Express Entry.
You do need to, yes. Without an ECA you're not eligible to apply under Express Entry.

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I was hoping that a recent Expat could give me this information & advice on what points I could achieve, as it would be pointless going any further & wasting money, if I can't reach the amount required.
What exactly are you scoring? With and without the HNC? I'm afraid I don't know what an HNC is, is it a vocational qualification or academic? Remember only academic ones are worth points. I'd suggest a search of the forum to see what others with HNC's have got for their ECA's. How long did it take you to complete and was it full-time classroom study?

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I have looked through the rules & I do not believe I would be breaking any, to request assistance, but will wait for your response first.
Kudos for actually reading the rules first (nobody ever does!). And of course not, as above that's what BE is here for. Lots of advice, you'll find plenty of info in the Wiki and on the forums, so grab a cuppa and get reading, and shout with any questions.
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Originally Posted by Edlo1
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I have tried emailing this to both [email protected] & [email protected] but both addresses just bounce back as undeliverable, so sorry if this is not the right place.
They seem to be working for me. I am a BE admin BTW.
I haven't received anything from you. Not that I can answer your queries. I am in New Zealand.
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Thanks to christmasoompa for replying, Now I know it is OK to request assistance I can fill in more details.

Both my wife & I have been to Ontario many times & have always said that it would be a great place to live.
We were over recently staying with friends in the Toronto area during the winter olympics & this has made us both determined to emmigrate.
I am a CAD Designer & after doing some research have concluded that the best & perhaps only way is via Express Entry under the Skilled Worker Program.
The problem I am having is finding information on the points awarded in order to qualify, as the Canadian Government website contains conflicting information & the only page that gives this information is for Employers under the old system & does not state the points that would be required to be considered.
This breaks down to the following areas & states the max points that can be awarded :-
Age - Max 110 - In my case 0 as I am above the upper limit
Education - Max 150 - This is where I require help converting my Higher National certificate in Mechanical Engineering to a Canadian equivalent & the points this would get.
The course consisted of 2 years part time study to obtain an Ordinary National Certificate & a further 2 years study to get the HNC, some 1200 hours of tutored time in all.
I have found information online stating that this is an English Level 4 award equivalent to a 1 year foundation degree.
First Official Language - Max 150 - I have just completed an EILTS English Test with a score of 8 out of a possible 9, so should get near the Max.
Second Official Language - Max 24 - in my case 0
Canadian Work Experience - Max 80 - In my case 0
Skills Transferability - Max 100 - I would hope to be near to the maximum.
Sibling in Canada - Max 100 - 0 in my case, although we have a number of friends that would sponsor us, this is no longer an option.
French Language Proficiency - 15 to 30 points - In my case 0.
Canadian Study - 15 to 30 - In my case 0.
Job Offer - 200 Senior Management, 50 all others - i would need a Job Offer to be considered anyway, so this is a must & I would be awarded 50 points.
Provincial Nomination - 600 - This is dependant on my profession being seen as a skills shortage in Ontario, without which there would be no chance of being considered.
If i did get maximum points on the applicable areas this would only be 1050 points, so if 1000 points more are required then there is no point continuing.

Other professional qualifications I have gained appear to have no relevance

I have applied online for Express Entry & can not complete the application without paying $200 (takes 12 weeks) to convert the HNC qualification, with no guarantee that I will achieve enough points.
A successful Express Entry, allows me to join the Job Pool for prospective employers.
I have already applied to 25 job positions advertised through various agencies without any success, without any feedback from any of them to indicate if it is because the Express Entry application needs completing first but can guess that that is the reason.
I also have a further complication that a lot of the positions insist on the applicant having Professional Engineer of Ontario status, which clearly I have not got.

Any help would be very much appreciated, as I need to crack on with applying for Express Entry, which can take 6 months before the Canadian Government invitation is received.

Many thanks
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Originally Posted by Edlo1
The problem I am having is finding information on the points awarded in order to qualify, as the Canadian Government website contains conflicting information & the only page that gives this information is for Employers under the old system & does not state the points that would be required to be considered.
As a rough guide, you'll need approx 450 points on the CRS to be in with a chance of being selected and invited to apply for PR. You can see all of the draws on this page on the CIC website so that you can see the level they're currently drawing at, the lowest it's ever gone was 415 iirc, but that was a bit of an anomaly due to rules changing and it's been consistently around 440-480 for the past few months. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-previous.html

Originally Posted by Edlo1
Education - Max 150 - This is where I require help converting my Higher National certificate in Mechanical Engineering to a Canadian equivalent & the points this would get.
The course consisted of 2 years part time study to obtain an Ordinary National Certificate & a further 2 years study to get the HNC, some 1200 hours of tutored time in all.
I have found information online stating that this is an English Level 4 award equivalent to a 1 year foundation degree.
First Official Language - Max 150 - I have just completed an EILTS English Test with a score of 8 out of a possible 9, so should get near the Max.
Second Official Language - Max 24 - in my case 0
Canadian Work Experience - Max 80 - In my case 0
Skills Transferability - Max 100 - I would hope to be near to the maximum.
Sibling in Canada - Max 100 - 0 in my case, although we have a number of friends that would sponsor us, this is no longer an option.
French Language Proficiency - 15 to 30 points - In my case 0.
Canadian Study - 15 to 30 - In my case 0.
Job Offer - 200 Senior Management, 50 all others - i would need a Job Offer to be considered anyway, so this is a must & I would be awarded 50 points.
Provincial Nomination - 600 - This is dependant on my profession being seen as a skills shortage in Ontario, without which there would be no chance of being considered.
If i did get maximum points on the applicable areas this would only be 1050 points, so if 1000 points more are required then there is no point continuing.
So from what you've said above I calculate your points at 284, which is far too low and even with a job offer isn't going to get you an ITA. Unfortunately your age is the biggest factor in the low points, Canada is aiming to attract highly qualified young people and sadly those of us that are older are severely disadvantaged under the points system.

0 for age
84 for education (assuming a one year diploma as you've stated above, you may however get a 2 year diploma I think, which would be 91 points)
125 for language
75 for skills transferability

One thing you've not mentioned at all is your wife's education etc? That is worth crucial points. Plus if she takes IELTS as well it will bump your score up. Probably still not enough to get you an ITA, but depends on her education level - it may be that it would be better for her to be the principal applicant, have you checked her points score too?

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Provincial Nomination - 600 - This is dependant on my profession being seen as a skills shortage in Ontario, without which there would be no chance of being considered.
That's not correct. You'd need a job offer for the Ontario PNP, but no need for your job to be on a skills shortage list. Does it have to be Ontario though? Or would you consider other provinces?

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A successful Express Entry, allows me to join the Job Pool for prospective employers.
I have already applied to 25 job positions advertised through various agencies without any success, without any feedback from any of them to indicate if it is because the Express Entry application needs completing first but can guess that that is the reason.
I also have a further complication that a lot of the positions insist on the applicant having Professional Engineer of Ontario status, which clearly I have not got.
The Job Pool is pretty useless tbh and unless you have VERY specialist skills you're unlikely to get anything from it. If you're only applying for jobs online, then you are unlikely to get any response, as that's just not the way Canadians do things. Have you read the Job Hunting section of the Wiki? That is crucial, and will tell you how to go about finding that all important job offer and convincing an employer to pay $1000, and wait months for you to start work. Do your friends have any contacts that could help maybe? The networking thing may make all the difference.

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Any help would be very much appreciated, as I need to crack on with applying for Express Entry, which can take 6 months before the Canadian Government invitation is received.
It can take longer than that, or of course if you're not scoring enough then you may never get an ITA. Your profile will remain in the pool for a year before it's removed. Unfortunately at your current score level, that would be the case for you, so in all honestly I don't see any point in you applying under EE as you're simply not going to be invited to apply for PR.

From what you've said, unless your wife scores more, then I think a job offer is going to be your only route over. You'd move on a Temporary Work Permit as you currently have no route to PR but then once there working in Canada you'd score more in time (once you've got that all important Canadian experience) so could then look at applying under EE after a year or two, or possibly convincing your employer to sponsor you under the PNP.

HTH a bit, best of luck to you.
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Many thanks again to christmasoompa, for all the time taken to answer my questions.

I guessed that my age may be a major factor & I will no longer attempt to apply for EE.

My wife actually worked for Panam Airlines as a flying Nanny & was based in Toronto for 2 years, then at Ottawa for a year before returning to Toronto for a further year.

She did this under a Work Permit basis & as you point out this is the route I should be looking at, as her education is only at secondary school level & will not be high enough to be considered.

The reason for selecting Ontario, apart this being the province our friends all live in, is it seems to have the largest concentration of Engineering jobs.

I have actually applied for jobs from the Peterborough area & around to Niagara.

I did spend 10 years as an Autodesk Approved Trainer of Inventor & AutoCAD software for 10 years & wondered if this may be another occupation I could look into, as I have many qualifications covering this period.

I will look at the Job Hunting site of Wiki & in the meantime keep applying for jobs that are suitable modifying my covering letter to include that a Temporary Work permit would be required.

I have already informed the Director (CEO) of the company that I work for of my intentions to move to Canada as he may have contacts through a few companies that we do business with in Ontario.

And as he knows about my intentions, I will contact suitable companies directly myself rather than just relying on Employment agencies such as Monster & Indeed.

Again thanks for your time & honest replies, you have saved me many months of frustration & the $200 to get my HNC converted.

All the best.
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Just as an aside, Monster & Indeed aren't agencies, per se - they are job websites - as is workopolis and a few others. You could also look on jobbank.gc.ca

At least looking at those (and other) job websites will give you an insight into who has jobs and are hiring!

You might find the wiki helpful - https://britishexpats.com/wiki/Categ...Hunting-Canada

Also: https://engineerscanada.ca/become-an...ined-engineers / International Engineering Graduates

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I will look at the Job Hunting site of Wiki & in the meantime keep applying for jobs that are suitable modifying my covering letter to include that a Temporary Work permit would be required.
If you've checked the job hunting section of the Wiki, then you'll know that that isn't the way to go. Pick up the phone at the very least, ideally get out there and knock on doors. Canadians like personal contact, and think about it from an employer's point of view - you're asking them to fill in tons of forms and go through lots of paperwork/hassle, pay $1000, and wait months for you to be able to start work. If you don't have a connection with them already, then trying to convince them to do all that when they could just hire a Canadian (for free, and who can start work instantly) is going to be an uphill battle unless you have very specialist skills. So start networking, and hopefully something will come of that.

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Again thanks for your time & honest replies, you have saved me many months of frustration & the $200 to get my HNC converted.
Bear in mind you'll probably still need it converted further down the line when you apply for PR, but no point doing it yet I agree.

Best of luck to you, I hope you manage to make it over there.
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This is not optional for the employer, they have to hire Canadian if there is a suitable candidate. ESDC won't approve the LMIA. For the OP, unless you have exceptional skills, not available in Canada, job hunting without knocking on doors in person, although not impossible, it it close to. High demand skills are easier to secure a job offer from a distance. Also, take into account, even if an employer wants to hire you, they have to advertise and try to hire Canadian/PR first.
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You also need to ensure you score a minimum of 67 points on the Federal Skilled Worker points grid to be eligible to make an Express Entry profile (if you don't have Canadian work experience and you're therefore ineligible for Canadian Experience Class).

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/become-candidate/eligibility/federal-skilled-workers/six-selection-factors-federal-skilled-workers.html

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Thanks to all the people who have commented on my thread, lots of useful advice to consider.

I have been through my Resume again & Canadianised it somewhat with a lot more information, including web site addresses of previous employers.

I did not ever think that it would be easy to immigrate to Canada & have now decided that the Express Entry system is not the right path to take & will instead concentrate on obtaining entry through a work Permit basis instead.

I have also started to look into obtaining employment though my experience as an Autodesk Approved Trainer (10 years) teaching AutoCAD & Inventor software, as this may be more of an area where there is a skills shortage than CAD Design jobs that I was originally applying for.

I have searched on Job sites for this type of employment trying many combinations of words, but could find no entries & a search for Autodesk Training Centres anywhere in Canada failed to show any exist.

I have sent an email to the Autodesk Headquarters in Montreal asking how to go about finding a placement & am waiting for a reply.

Could I prevail on your good nature again & ask if anybody knows how people in Canada receive CAD training (School, College, University or On the Job Training?).

Or perhaps people just go to the USA for this type of training?

Also if you believe that it is even worth my while considering applying for this type of employment.

I have UK based Teacher Training Certificates, Enhanced Disclosure (Criminal records check) documents & many Autodesk certificates for the software taught & including my Autodesk Approved Trainer Certificate rom this period in my life.

Although I currently use the lastest version (2018) of Inventor software, I am aware that I would need to update my skills & certification to Teach again in Canada & have asked in my to Autodesk about this too.

Many thanks again.
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Here are a few examples of places Autocad etc., is taught.

https://www.mohawkcollege.ca/ce/prog...cad-design-191
https://www.solidcad.ca/
https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/tec...ls-certificate
One word. Productivity | Atlantic CAD Solutions
https://www.pcdi.ca/career-programs/autocad/
https://www.redcage.ca/training/


and there's more available on Google.ca https://www.google.ca/search?q=Autod...cr%3DcountryCA

And here's some jobs

https://ca.indeed.com/jobs?q=AutoCAD...737686089&rs=1

NAIT | Career Opportunities

https://www.redcage.ca/careers/

I think your biggest hurdle will probably be finding an employer who is willing and able to go through the lengthy and expensive process of obtaining an LMIA.

You will need to also look into the requirements for Teacher Certification in your Province of choice.

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Many thanks to you all & especially Snowy560 for providing the address to to selection factor page of the Canadian Government Immigration site.

This gives all the information needed for people to assess whether they could get enough points to be considered for Entry & it ought to have a lot more prominence on the website.

Using this & assuming that I would get 19 points for my HNC, would be applying with a job offer in place & my wife having taken the English Test, I could get a Maximum score of 78 out of 100.

Which hopefully would be high enough to be considered.

I am now hoping to enter under a Work Permit basis, as i believe that this would be the quicker & less expensive way than the Express Entry system.

As I understand it from when my wife worked in Canada, once you have completed a year of working with a Permit, you then have 2 years to apply for Permanent Residence & although this process could take up to year to complete.

Once airfares have come down to a decent level, I am going to return to Ontario for a couple of weeks & try to hook up with a few prospective employers face to face & look at what type of housing we could afford, car/travel costs etc.

One last question - Is the Job Bank specifically for people looking to immigrate to Canada, as it appears that you already have be part way through applying for express Entry to join.

And are the jobs advertised from companies that understand the immigration process paperwork.

I am asking as previous replies to my posts have stated that it is not worth joining.

Thanks to all once again.
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Just to be clear: to be eligible to apply under Federal Skilled Worker you need a minimum of 67 FSW points. Then if you make an EE profile and you are accepted into the pool, you still have to have enough CRS ranking points (separate scale) to be in with a chance of being invited to apply.
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[QUOTE=Edlo1;12503792]Many thanks to you all & especially Snowy560 for providing the address to to selection factor page of the Canadian Government Immigration site.

This gives all the information needed for people to assess whether they could get enough points to be considered for Entry & it ought to have a lot more prominence on the website.

Using this & assuming that I would get 19 points for my HNC, would be applying with a job offer in place & my wife having taken the English Test, I could get a Maximum score of 78 out of 100.

Which hopefully would be high enough to be considered.

I am now hoping to enter under a Work Permit basis, as i believe that this would be the quicker & less expensive way than the Express Entry system.

As I understand it from when my wife worked in Canada, once you have completed a year of working with a Permit, you then have 2 years to apply for Permanent Residence & although this process could take up to year to complete.

Once airfares have come down to a decent level, I am going to return to Ontario for a couple of weeks & try to hook up with a few prospective employers face to face & look at what type of housing we could afford, car/travel costs etc.

One last question - Is the Job Bank specifically for people looking to immigrate to Canada, as it appears that you already have be part way through applying for express Entry to join.

And are the jobs advertised from companies that understand the immigration process paperwork.

I am asking as previous replies to my posts have stated that it is not worth joining.


You do realise that in order to get a job offer that you can actually accept, the employer has to have proved that they have been unable to recruit a Canadian or Permanent Resident, before they can even contemplate applying for an LMIA? This will then allow them to recruit from outside Canada. However, this involves a lot of paperwork and costs them $1000. My understanding these days is that an LMIA is pretty hard to acquire - but I may be wrong.
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