IEC question... country of permanent residency??
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IEC question... country of permanent residency??
Hello!
Me and my wife are currently trying to move to Canada. We have an EE profile floating in the pool at 437 CRS points, but were considering moving things along by one of us getting IEC (we are both in our 20's) and getting an 0, A or B job therefore racking up some Canadian work experiance or possibly that elusive job offer than could give us the points we need!
So I'm trying to apply for my wife to get IEC. Only I have an issue! She is Spanish nationality, and has a Spanish passport. She lives with me in the UK, her family home is in Madrid, but for all intents and purposes she lives and works in the UK, due to EU freedom of movement (lets ignore the looming Brexit on the horizon for the time being).
She has lived in the UK for ten years, but does not have any document saying she is a permanent resident of the UK. She does not have citizenship in the UK. She does not have a UK passport.
She does have Spanish citizenship card and ESP passport.
The IEC form asks three things in the 'immigration history' section;
1. What is your current country/territory of residence?
2. What is your country/territory of permanent residence?
3. Country/territory of citizenship
So her answers would be...
1. England
2. ???????
3. Spain
I'm stuck on number 2! Don't want to lie to immigration or even risk our EE profile, want to get this right! Has anyone had this problem or has got any advice??
Thanks so much!
-Kez
Me and my wife are currently trying to move to Canada. We have an EE profile floating in the pool at 437 CRS points, but were considering moving things along by one of us getting IEC (we are both in our 20's) and getting an 0, A or B job therefore racking up some Canadian work experiance or possibly that elusive job offer than could give us the points we need!
So I'm trying to apply for my wife to get IEC. Only I have an issue! She is Spanish nationality, and has a Spanish passport. She lives with me in the UK, her family home is in Madrid, but for all intents and purposes she lives and works in the UK, due to EU freedom of movement (lets ignore the looming Brexit on the horizon for the time being).
She has lived in the UK for ten years, but does not have any document saying she is a permanent resident of the UK. She does not have citizenship in the UK. She does not have a UK passport.
She does have Spanish citizenship card and ESP passport.
The IEC form asks three things in the 'immigration history' section;
1. What is your current country/territory of residence?
2. What is your country/territory of permanent residence?
3. Country/territory of citizenship
So her answers would be...
1. England
2. ???????
3. Spain
I'm stuck on number 2! Don't want to lie to immigration or even risk our EE profile, want to get this right! Has anyone had this problem or has got any advice??
Thanks so much!
-Kez
Last edited by kezbea; Aug 9th 2018 at 3:26 pm.
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If she doesn't have PR in the UK then it'll be Spain surely?
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In which country does she pay income taxes? I think that would normally be her country of residence.
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She pays taxes in the UK. I would agree, it's her country of residency. But is it her country of PERMANENT residency?
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This might help
Permanent residence after 5 years
You can currently apply for a permanent residence document if you’ve lived in the UK for 5 years.
However, you do not need a document to confirm your residence status in the UK unless:
So based on that I would say she is a permanent resident of England / UK - presuming she has a permanent address and has lived / worked / studied in the UK for the past 5 years or more (but do read and double check that she meets the criteria, on the website).
Permanent residence after 5 years
You can currently apply for a permanent residence document if you’ve lived in the UK for 5 years.
However, you do not need a document to confirm your residence status in the UK unless:
- you want to apply for British citizenship
- you want to sponsor your partner’s visa application under the Immigration Rules
So based on that I would say she is a permanent resident of England / UK - presuming she has a permanent address and has lived / worked / studied in the UK for the past 5 years or more (but do read and double check that she meets the criteria, on the website).
Last edited by Siouxie; Aug 9th 2018 at 6:04 pm.
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Hi
1. Except the OP is stating his wife is applying as Spanish citizen, so only eligible for 1 year, and according to the following must have a permanent address in Spain. With only a one year IEC (if issued) it is unlikely that she would be able to get a full year of work in Canada.
This might help
Permanent residence after 5 years
You can currently apply for a permanent residence document if you’ve lived in the UK for 5 years.
However, you do not need a document to confirm your residence status in the UK unless:
So based on that I would say she is a permanent resident of England / UK - presuming she has a permanent address and has lived / worked / studied in the UK for the past 5 years or more (but do read and double check that she meets the criteria, on the website).
Permanent residence after 5 years
You can currently apply for a permanent residence document if you’ve lived in the UK for 5 years.
However, you do not need a document to confirm your residence status in the UK unless:
- you want to apply for British citizenship
- you want to sponsor your partner’s visa application under the Immigration Rules
So based on that I would say she is a permanent resident of England / UK - presuming she has a permanent address and has lived / worked / studied in the UK for the past 5 years or more (but do read and double check that she meets the criteria, on the website).
Description: The Working Holiday category is designed for Spanish citizens who intend to travel in Canada and who wish to find temporary paid employment to help pay for their trip (up to 12 months).
Note: As a Spanish citizen, you may participate in IEC twice. You must choose a different category each time. There must be a three-month break between the expiry date of your first Canadian work permit under IEC and the submission date of your second IEC work permit application.
To be eligible for the Working Holiday category, you must:- be a Spanish citizen,
- have a valid Spanish passport for the duration of your stay in Canada—your work permit in Canada will not be longer than the validity of your passport,
- provide a permanent address in Spain in your work permit application,
- be between the ages of 18 and 35 (inclusive),
- have a minimum of CAN$2,500 to help cover your expenses in Canada,
- have health insurance for the duration of your stay—you may have to present evidence of this insurance when you enter Canada,
- be admissible to Canada,
- have, before departure, a round-trip ticket or demonstrate that you will have the financial resources to purchase a departure ticket at the end of your authorized stay in Canada,
- not be accompanied by dependents, and
- pay the fees.
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Re: IEC question... country of permanent residency??
Hi
1. Except the OP is stating his wife is applying as Spanish citizen, so only eligible for 1 year, and according to the following must have a permanent address in Spain. With only a one year IEC (if issued) it is unlikely that she would be able to get a full year of work in Canada.
1. Except the OP is stating his wife is applying as Spanish citizen, so only eligible for 1 year, and according to the following must have a permanent address in Spain. With only a one year IEC (if issued) it is unlikely that she would be able to get a full year of work in Canada.
Description: The Working Holiday category is designed for Spanish citizens who intend to travel in Canada and who wish to find temporary paid employment to help pay for their trip (up to 12 months).
Note: As a Spanish citizen, you may participate in IEC twice. You must choose a different category each time. There must be a three-month break between the expiry date of your first Canadian work permit under IEC and the submission date of your second IEC work permit application.
To be eligible for the Working Holiday category, you must:- be a Spanish citizen,
- have a valid Spanish passport for the duration of your stay in Canada—your work permit in Canada will not be longer than the validity of your passport,
- provide a permanent address in Spain in your work permit application,
- be between the ages of 18 and 35 (inclusive),
- have a minimum of CAN$2,500 to help cover your expenses in Canada,
- have health insurance for the duration of your stay—you may have to present evidence of this insurance when you enter Canada,
- be admissible to Canada,
- have, before departure, a round-trip ticket or demonstrate that you will have the financial resources to purchase a departure ticket at the end of your authorized stay in Canada,
- not be accompanied by dependents, and
- pay the fees.
Good point PMM - I had forgotten that she would presumably be applying for IEC Spain.
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Re: IEC question... country of permanent residency??
So,
When I put the answers as 1. England 2. Spain 3. Spain it allows me to create an application.
When I put the country of permanent residency as England it automatically says 'Based on the answers you provided, it seems you are not eligible to come to Canada through International Experience Canada'.
Interesting, not sure what I should do now!
When I put the answers as 1. England 2. Spain 3. Spain it allows me to create an application.
When I put the country of permanent residency as England it automatically says 'Based on the answers you provided, it seems you are not eligible to come to Canada through International Experience Canada'.
Interesting, not sure what I should do now!
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Re: IEC question... country of permanent residency??
So,
When I put the answers as 1. England 2. Spain 3. Spain it allows me to create an application.
When I put the country of permanent residency as England it automatically says 'Based on the answers you provided, it seems you are not eligible to come to Canada through International Experience Canada'.
Interesting, not sure what I should do now!
When I put the answers as 1. England 2. Spain 3. Spain it allows me to create an application.
When I put the country of permanent residency as England it automatically says 'Based on the answers you provided, it seems you are not eligible to come to Canada through International Experience Canada'.
Interesting, not sure what I should do now!
Please see PMM's post above - he has a valid point.
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He does make a good point.
Not so worried about the full year of work experience because she could at least use the time in Canada to try and get a job offer that could be used to support our EE application.
I suppose my wife could put her parents address in Madrid, but I don't want to cause an issue with this.
I guess I have to accept that she isn't eligible for IEC for whatever reason.
Not so worried about the full year of work experience because she could at least use the time in Canada to try and get a job offer that could be used to support our EE application.
I suppose my wife could put her parents address in Madrid, but I don't want to cause an issue with this.
I guess I have to accept that she isn't eligible for IEC for whatever reason.
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This raises an issue that has been raised before; should the IEC visa be used as a means for someone to circumvent the criteria that would otherwise make them ineligible for permanent residency? My understanding is that its purpose was to allow younger people to experience a different culture and to work in that country whilst there to finance their experience.
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This raises an issue that has been raised before; should the IEC visa be used as a means for someone to circumvent the criteria that would otherwise make them ineligible for permanent residency? My understanding is that its purpose was to allow younger people to experience a different culture and to work in that country whilst there to finance their experience.
It also gives people the opportunity to experience life in Canada and decide if this is somewhere they would really like to live and spend the rest of their lives! It benefits Canada in the long term!
What's wrong with that?
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There's nothing wrong with it at all as far as I can see. It's simply a question that has previously been asked. Mind you, if that is the case, why put an age restriction on it? Why shouldn't someone older than 30 be afforded the same opportunity to come to Canada for 2 years, acquire the appropriate work experience and then become a permanent resident? Isn;t that what you're essentially advocating?
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There's nothing wrong with it at all as far as I can see. It's simply a question that has previously been asked. Mind you, if that is the case, why put an age restriction on it? Why shouldn't someone older than 30 be afforded the same opportunity to come to Canada for 2 years, acquire the appropriate work experience and then become a permanent resident? Isn;t that what you're essentially advocating?
Because Canada favours young people for immigration - hence the points reduction once you get over 30 or so!