How risky are TWP's?

Old Jan 9th 2010, 8:46 am
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Hi, ive posted a few times regarding TWP's and I suppose im a little worried about what risks are involved with moving there on a TWP. My OH occupation isnt on the 38 list. I know from reading previous threads that it is very very unlikely for an employer to wait for someones PR application to go through and still have a job offer standing at the end so TWP is the option. I did read for the PR applications you have to fall into 3 catergorys (skill on 38 list/job offer/years work experience in canada) or have I got it wrong and its one years work experience in the uk instead of canada? Anyones experiences on TWP route getting laid off, reapplying for LMO's, success stories, etc I would really appreciate your responses
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Originally Posted by gemmasbr
Hi, ive posted a few times regarding TWP's and I suppose im a little worried about what risks are involved with moving there on a TWP. My OH occupation isnt on the 38 list. I know from reading previous threads that it is very very unlikely for an employer to wait for someones PR application to go through and still have a job offer standing at the end so TWP is the option. I did read for the PR applications you have to fall into 3 catergorys (skill on 38 list/job offer/years work experience in canada) or have I got it wrong and its one years work experience in the uk instead of canada? Anyones experiences on TWP route getting laid off, reapplying for LMO's, success stories, etc I would really appreciate your responses
Hi Gemma,

I would suggest you do a search of the forums, unfortunately we've seen a lot of threads from people who have been laid off whilst on a TWP. You'll probably find a few if you have a hunt.

It is risky, particularly in the current climate, but most people apply for PR as soon as they get to Canada or even before they leave the UK. So if you could do the same then at least you'd have that underway and should hopefully have PR within 6-12 months.

But yes, you have understood correctly - category 3 of Fed Skill Worker visa needs to have one year of skilled work experience in Canada.

Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by gemmasbr
Hi, ive posted a few times regarding TWP's and I suppose im a little worried about what risks are involved with moving there on a TWP. My OH occupation isnt on the 38 list. I know from reading previous threads that it is very very unlikely for an employer to wait for someones PR application to go through and still have a job offer standing at the end so TWP is the option. I did read for the PR applications you have to fall into 3 catergorys (skill on 38 list/job offer/years work experience in canada) or have I got it wrong and its one years work experience in the uk instead of canada? Anyones experiences on TWP route getting laid off, reapplying for LMO's, success stories, etc I would really appreciate your responses

We came over in January 08, had a bunch of interviews, got a job offer, and the employer applied for LMO. It was eventually approved in July 08 and we came over and got the TWP at POE in August.
We applied for PR under the old system in January 08 and just waiting for medical requests right now.
From my own experience, the LMO process is slow... and that was when their was a big skills shortage. Now, I understand most applications are getting rejected.

TWP's are definitely risky- if I'm fired/laid off etc, I'll probably have to go back to the UK and wait 'til we get PR. We cant afford to stick around without me working. My company have laid a number of people off whilst I've been there, so to say I've been nervous would be an understatement.

In addition to the above, getting credit has been damn near impossible- especially car loans. I was extreeeemely lucky to get approved on a car loan just after we arrived, but despite having a decent credit score now, I get declined left right and centre.... all because we only have a TWP.

My advice would be to apply for PR under the SW system and come over once you're approved. It's only gonna take 9-12months. If you go the TWP route, by the time you've booked flights, sorted out interviews, found an employer prepared to do the whole LMO thing, get it approved etc... it's gonna take the same amount of time (or longer) as getting PR.
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Should also consider how much only being on a TWP will play on your mind, I hadn't even considered it before we got here on our TWP, but it has been constantly at the back of my mind not knowing 100% whether we'll be able to stay permanently. It has made me feel pretty unsettled and you feel like you can't plan for the future.

However, we have our medicals on Thurs for PR, so fingers crossed the end is in sight
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We came over in January 08, had a bunch of interviews, got a job offer, and the employer applied for LMO. It was eventually approved in July 08 and we came over and got the TWP at POE in August.
We applied for PR under the old system in January 08 and just waiting for medical requests right now.
From my own experience, the LMO process is slow... and that was when their was a big skills shortage. Now, I understand most applications are getting rejected.

TWP's are definitely risky- if I'm fired/laid off etc, I'll probably have to go back to the UK and wait 'til we get PR. We cant afford to stick around without me working. My company have laid a number of people off whilst I've been there, so to say I've been nervous would be an understatement.

In addition to the above, getting credit has been damn near impossible- especially car loans. I was extreeeemely lucky to get approved on a car loan just after we arrived, but despite having a decent credit score now, I get declined left right and centre.... all because we only have a TWP.

My advice would be to apply for PR under the SW system and come over once you're approved. It's only gonna take 9-12months. If you go the TWP route, by the time you've booked flights, sorted out interviews, found an employer prepared to do the whole LMO thing, get it approved etc... it's gonna take the same amount of time (or longer) as getting PR.
Hi jericho
Could I ask if you are employed in the construction industry? Ive read that LMO's are being issued in matter of days not months now on an extended pilot scheme in construction trades so are they still rejecting them? As my OH job isnt on the 38 list would love to apply for PR first but we cant as I dont suppose any employer is going to wait up to a year for it to be processed. Will def apply for PR when get job offer
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Should also consider how much only being on a TWP will play on your mind, I hadn't even considered it before we got here on our TWP, but it has been constantly at the back of my mind not knowing 100% whether we'll be able to stay permanently. It has made me feel pretty unsettled and you feel like you can't plan for the future.

However, we have our medicals on Thurs for PR, so fingers crossed the end is in sight
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Originally Posted by gemmasbr
Hi jericho
Could I ask if you are employed in the construction industry? Ive read that LMO's are being issued in matter of days not months now on an extended pilot scheme in construction trades so are they still rejecting them? As my OH job isnt on the 38 list would love to apply for PR first but we cant as I dont suppose any employer is going to wait up to a year for it to be processed. Will def apply for PR when get job offer
No, I'm not in the construction industry, sorry..

What province are you thinking of?
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Hi jericho
Could I ask if you are employed in the construction industry? Ive read that LMO's are being issued in matter of days not months now on an extended pilot scheme in construction trades so are they still rejecting them? As my OH job isnt on the 38 list would love to apply for PR first but we cant as I dont suppose any employer is going to wait up to a year for it to be processed. Will def apply for PR when get job offer
What pilot scheme?
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No, I'm not in the construction industry, sorry..

What province are you thinking of?
Was looking into Alberta as most of the construction jobs seem to be there
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What pilot scheme?
Construction jobs in Alberta are under an E-LMO which was a pilot scheme to help get the LMO's issued quicker for desperate employers (5 days instead of upto 5 months!). As far as im aware this pilot has been extended upto date.
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Construction jobs in Alberta are under an E-LMO which was a pilot scheme to help get the LMO's issued quicker for desperate employers (5 days instead of upto 5 months!). As far as im aware this pilot has been extended upto date.
I should add for the benefit of anybody else reading that it's only a few construction jobs that are on the list of job eligible for E-LMO's, and there are also other jobs on the list that are not in the construction industry. Here it is...........http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplace...lmoppone.shtml

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Originally Posted by gemmasbr
Construction jobs in Alberta are under an E-LMO which was a pilot scheme to help get the LMO's issued quicker for desperate employers (5 days instead of upto 5 months!). As far as im aware this pilot has been extended upto date.
Whats your partners occupation ? Is it construction related ?
Do either of you have 1 years experience ( must have been in the last 10 yrs) on any of the occupations on the list of '38' ?
If your occupation tile isn't on the list cross check the closely related job titles in particular the listed 'duties' of these job tiltles because if you can prove you have the minimum required experience in those 'duties' its possible you will be able to apply under the fsw cat1 route.

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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
It is risky, particularly in the current climate, but most people apply for PR as soon as they get to Canada or even before they leave the UK. So if you could do the same then at least you'd have that underway and should hopefully have PR within 6-12 months.

While many posters on this forum do, most Brits I have met on TWPs do not. They assume that it will always be renewed and that there is plenty of time to get around to it. In the 3 years that we have been here, we have seen 10 such families have to return to the UK and we do not go out of our way to socialise with Brits (just to put it into context). It never ceases to amaze me.
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I would advise people to include the cost of a PR application in their budgeting for the whole move and then instigate the process once they are sure that they are happy in Canada.

As others have said a TWP is not a guarantee and in a shaky economy TWP holders can be released by an employer without them actually "laying people off".
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ITWP holders can be released by an employer without them actually "laying people off".
Not quite sure what you mean here. Employees on a TWP are protected by employment standards the same as any other employee. What is 'released' as opposed to a lay off or termination?
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