Haze and Tim

We’ve made the decision to go and are looking at Ontario. We have I think 3 options to consider. I have the opportunity to take a job in a specialist car restoration business. I would be employed as a machinist ( I am time served with city and guilds etc, so no problems being qualified for it). I noticed on the ON PNP site that this job is an eligible occupation on the pilot scheme. Does this make it a job under pressure?

If I apply for a work permit I am kind of assuming a positive LMO would be not too difficult to get, either on the PNP scheme or if I apply for a WP on my own? The PNP is currently a pilot, have all the spaces gone? When will it become mainstream? I believe that on the PNP the job only has to go on the Jobbank for 7 days, hence the fast tracking?

If I went for PR status, would an AEO be another route ( the employer is willing to wait as I have a very specific skill set that most machinists would never get). Am I missing something with AEO, but do you still need to prove a canadian can't fill the position with this or is this a much harder thing to get?

Finally, we could possibly go on an Entrepreneur scheme as we have been running our own business for the past 4 years. However I’m not sure we would meet the criteria as we recently had to close it down as it had been suffering for the past year (no regrets mind you). Another problem is that our wages from it were quite sporadic at times so could prove difficult to prove income?? We earned a living but on paper it could look like it was not too successful.

Favourable would be PR with a job offer as the timeline would suit us personally, got to finish the house and some other projects to release the max for us to go with. Can I do PR with a positive LMO or do I need the AEO. Can you do the PNP scheme and go direct for PR while staying in the UK instead of arriving on a WP and applying from Canada?

From which point in time is a WP valid?

Lot’s of questions I know but my head is spinning and I’m grateful for your input.

Thanks

Tim

Andrew Miller

PNP and Occupations Under Pressure are 2 completely different things - PNP is a Provincial Nomination Program for Permanent Resident visa application, while OUP list is for LMO necessary for temporary work permit.

As I mentioned above, PNP is for PR visa application, not for work permit (although some PNP's provide support letters for work permits that make WP application LMO exempt). You are confusing PR with WP matters. If you want to come with work permit then you'll need positive LMO. It is employer who applies for LMO, not yourself.

There is no "If I went for PR status" option. Either (1) you want to come here temporary for few years only (work permit route) or (2) you want to immigrate to Canada permanently (PR route). If (1) then PR is not needed. If (2) then work permit will help in getting PR and getting it faster.

AEO also helps getting PR and getting it faster (providing that visa post will accept AEO, as many AEO's are refused by visa posts), but you cannot come and work in canada before getting a PR. AEO application doesn't require employer to prove that no Canadian was found for the job.

First - never consider business class if you can qualify as skilled worker, even if your intention is to establish or purchase a business in Canada.

Second - if you can't meet financial and qualifying business experience requirements then it is not even an option.

You cannot use LMO alone for PR application. In order to have PR application with Arranged Employment you either use (1) a positive AEO with no intention to work in Canada before becoming a PR, or you use (2) a fact of already working in Canada on valid work permit and having employer's offer to convert your current temporary employment to a permanent one on indeterminate basis after you become a PR.

From the day it is issued.

Haze and Tim

Thanks for the help Andrew.

I thought that the Business class would be a non starter. e are looking at a permanent move and the job I am looking at would be a permanent position.

So am I right in thinking that with PNP there is no LMO? And, some PNP schemes will arrange a WP in order to get you out earlier but not all?
I spoke to a guy earlier this year at Sandown on the Manitoba stand regarding a particular job they were trying to fill and he said I could be out there in a matter of weeks on the PNP scheme(assuming I got said job). So I assumed you got a work permit issued in the meantime while the PNP scheme worked to get your PR status.

So, it looks like PNP if possible. I take it the company has to approach ON PNP to be pre screened, do they apply on my behalf or would I approach the ON PNP once the company has been successful in pre screening and have then offered me the job?

If not PNP then get the company to get LMO and then apply for a temporary work permit and once landed apply for PR status?

I think I may need to enlist your help with the latter route.

Thanks again

Tim

Chippers

Just to say that the Ontario PNP scheme is in its pilot stage at the moment. It's only been operational since May this year, and has a limited number of spaces + available occupations.

http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/english/pnp.asp

Check the link for more info.

Andrew Miller

Manitoba's PNP is different from Ontario's pilot PNP, thus whatever guy from Manitoba was saying doesn't necessarily apply to Ontario.

And as I said - Ontario's PNP provides nomination certificate for PR application and it "is employer-driven. This means that as a prospective nominee, you can only apply if your employer is pre-screened, the position is approved, and your employer provides you with a nominee application package from the Pilot PNP. " (direct quote from Ontario's PNP page)

If employer is not yet pre-screened and/or position not yet approved then it is likely that going through standard LMO route would take same time or maybe even be faster way to work permit. And then, once already working in Canada with valid work permit and having employer's offer to convert your temporary position to permanent one on indeterminate basis after you become a PR you may put your PR application on fast track.

Haze and Tim

Thanks again Andrew. Looks like a couple of options to follow. Just one thing, say you have an application in for ON for a WP, what would happen if you wanted to go for PNP with another province?

Will be in touch personally in the future.

Tim

Andrew Miller

If you have work permit in one place and are happy with job for now then why would you even go for PNP somewhere else? PR applications with arranged employment are processed with same speed as PR applications with PNP certificates.