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Old Nov 17th 2010, 6:37 am
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We moved here 4 yrs ago to Drumheller on a "2" yr contract. The employer rengaded on that after 1 yr and we are currently suing.However we sent in our paperwork for new employers and immigration "lost" it 3 times. In the meantime our daughter who was 15 when we moved, went back to Scotland for a visit with family as she had lost 2 grandparents in the time we had been here and she wanted to decide once and for all if Canada was where she wanted to be.

She came back May last yr and thats when our nightmare began.Border service in Clagary airport stopped her and we had aa hell of a job getting things sorted.They told us once our paperwork was sorted out then they would resolve hers.We got our done after many months of problems ,during wich time we were told we cant work (found out later my husband could so we lost out out on thousands of dollars in wages).The supervisor at the airport said he had no problem with my daughter getting a visitor visa till she found an employer but the final decision lay with the officer who held my daughter.

This woman has been a nightmare.....she has now told my daughter she will be making an appointment for her then deporting her as she cant get an employer to do an LMO at the moment.This woman has called us at home and told us so many lies ,even stating "bring ur daughter in this week when i call you with her belongings shes going on the next plane"My daughter had alas fell pregnant to her boyfriend (whom she has been dating since she moved here 4 yrs ago)

When this womans vile call came through she lost the baby ,the doctors confimed stress could be the cause .Now we desparately need to find an employer willing to do an LMO ASAP or she will be sent back to Scotland ,with no job ( and little prospect of one ) nowhere to stay ( my mother has a little seniors one bed apt and fatherlaw elderly).The rest of our family have families with no room to accomodate her and she has never been on her own without us except for her brief visit home.

The border services officer will be calling her in within the next week but has said if the paperwork has been sent for an LMO even if not yet approved she will allow her to stay,her own collegues have contacted us saying they dont what this womans problem with our daughter is but shes taken some personal disslike to her and theres nothing they can do as its "her " case.If anyone out there knows of a workplace in Calgary that has an LMO already in place and is willing to employ our 19 yr old daughter please contact us <snip>.We already have friends there willing to accomodate her and look after her ..Thanks in advance of anyone who can help.

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I'm sorry to hear of the troubles you have had. Can you confirm what your current status in Canada is? I'm unsure why you're being told your daughter needs a LMO to stay as if she's only 19 she should be classed as your dependent child so should be on your visa?

If she really does need a visa of her own then I can't see how she'd get a LMO, particularly in the current economic climate. Even those with specialist skills are struggling to get them at the moment. Have you considered Bunac instead?

If you can clarify what your status in Canada is then people can give you better advice.
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We moved here 4 yrs ago to Drumheller on a "2" yr contract. The employer rengaded on that after 1 yr and we are currently suing.However we sent in our paperwork for new employers and immigration "lost" it 3 times. In the meantime our daughter who was 15 when we moved, went back to Scotland for a visit with family as she had lost 2 grandparents in the time we had been here and she wanted to decide once and for all if Canada was where she wanted to be.

She came back May last yr and thats when our nightmare began.Border service in Clagary airport stopped her and we had aa hell of a job getting things sorted.They told us once our paperwork was sorted out then they would resolve hers.We got our done after many months of problems ,during wich time we were told we cant work (found out later my husband could so we lost out out on thousands of dollars in wages).The supervisor at the airport said he had no problem with my daughter getting a visitor visa till she found an employer but the final decision lay with the officer who held my daughter.

This woman has been a nightmare.....she has now told my daughter she will be making an appointment for her then deporting her as she cant get an employer to do an LMO at the moment.This woman has called us at home and told us so many lies ,even stating "bring ur daughter in this week when i call you with her belongings shes going on the next plane"My daughter had alas fell pregnant to her boyfriend (whom she has been dating since she moved here 4 yrs ago)

When this womans vile call came through she lost the baby ,the doctors confimed stress could be the cause .Now we desparately need to find an employer willing to do an LMO ASAP or she will be sent back to Scotland ,with no job ( and little prospect of one ) nowhere to stay ( my mother has a little seniors one bed apt and fatherlaw elderly).The rest of our family have families with no room to accomodate her and she has never been on her own without us except for her brief visit home.

The border services officer will be calling her in within the next week but has said if the paperwork has been sent for an LMO even if not yet approved she will allow her to stay,her own collegues have contacted us saying they dont what this womans problem with our daughter is but shes taken some personal disslike to her and theres nothing they can do as its "her " case.If anyone out there knows of a workplace in Calgary that has an LMO already in place and is willing to employ our 19 yr old daughter please contact us <snip>.We already have friends there willing to accomodate her and look after her ..Thanks in advance of anyone who can help.
Is she able to marry the father of her child? He can then sponsor her easily and she'd have full PR in about 3 months or so.
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They are saying because she left the country then returned thay can treat her separatley even though shes totally dependant on us . What is this "bunac" you are talking about ? We will do anything to keep her here with us and noone else seems to have a probl;em with that,even immigration itself but this one woman at border services is adamant because its her case she will deport her if she doesnt get an LMO.We dont know which way to turn , evn this womans boss recommended to her to issue a visitors permit for her till everything sorted but she said no and he says he cant order her to do it as she is the officer dealing with the case.All this womans collegues cant understand why this woman is being like this.
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Just checked Bunac and applications had to be in before 30th sept this yr
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Originally Posted by lippylass
They are saying because she left the country then returned thay can treat her separatley even though shes totally dependant on us . What is this "bunac" you are talking about ? We will do anything to keep her here with us and noone else seems to have a probl;em with that,even immigration itself but this one woman at border services is adamant because its her case she will deport her if she doesnt get an LMO.We dont know which way to turn , evn this womans boss recommended to her to issue a visitors permit for her till everything sorted but she said no and he says he cant order her to do it as she is the officer dealing with the case.All this womans collegues cant understand why this woman is being like this.
I would contact your local MLA to start with and get them in on the case.
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File a complaint against the woman. State your right to procedural fairness. She's breaking all procedure and acting like she has some vendetta against you. Your daughter doesn't need an LMO, there are a multitude of other ways this could be resolved, and forcing you at gunpoint to get one increases the likelihood that whatever LMO she does get will be a hollow gesture just to satisfy that requirement anyway. Immigration just does not work in the way this officer seems to think it does.
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Thank you folks i will try the things you have suggested .Will keep you all up to date on whats happening.She was going to marry the father but this woman said she wouldnt get it as she would be treated as if she married just to stay in Canada.Bad enough she lost the baby but they are trying to force them apart and us as a family. It feels like we are back in the days of slavery where families were ripped apart .
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I'm still confused as to what your status is in Canada - what is YOUR visa? Do you have legal status? If so, it should be easy enough to prove that, and to prove that your daughter is aged under 22 and is therefore a dependent on your visa.

If your status is not legal and you cannot do this, there is Bunac (applications open again soon) or a study permit, both of which are good alternatives to a LMO or marrying at age 19. They would allow her to stay for a year or two until you can hopefully get her PR. The downside is they are only temporary visas and given her history, she may be refused as CIC may think (rightly, it appears) that she has immigrant intent.

I know you think that the officer dealing with her case is being vindictive (although interestingly, having looked at your daughter's Facebook page, she doesn't seem to feel the same way), but ultimately if your daugher is in the country illegally then they are entitled to deport her and didn't even have to give her entry.

I would suggest that you contact an immigration lawyer or consultant (search the forum for recent recommendations) and get professional advice.

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They are saying because she left the country then returned thay can treat her separatley even though shes totally dependant on us . What is this "bunac" you are talking about ? We will do anything to keep her here with us and noone else seems to have a probl;em with that,even immigration itself but this one woman at border services is adamant because its her case she will deport her if she doesnt get an LMO.We dont know which way to turn , evn this womans boss recommended to her to issue a visitors permit for her till everything sorted but she said no and he says he cant order her to do it as she is the officer dealing with the case.All this womans collegues cant understand why this woman is being like this.
When did she last land in Canada? As far as I am aware if she holds a British passport she does not require a visitor visa and can stay for up to 6 months. Has she been staying there longer than 6 months?
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When did she last land in Canada? As far as I am aware if she holds a British passport she does not require a visitor visa and can stay for up to 6 months. Has she been staying there longer than 6 months?
The visa waiver program doesn't give you any rights to stay in canada for six months. It only gives you the right to travel to it before you have a visa.

That stamp in your passport IS a visa. If that stamp does not have a hand written final date on it, it is valid for 6 months. If it has a date written there you have to leave Canada no later than that date or you are in the country illegally.

When you enter Canada, the officer at the border is fully entitled to deny or grant you entry at his/her discretion. The officer is also fully entitled to give you entry and right to stay from anything of a day up to 6 months. It entirely depends on what the officer thinks you're intentions are.
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Originally Posted by lippylass
Thank you folks i will try the things you have suggested .Will keep you all up to date on whats happening.She was going to marry the father but this woman said she wouldnt get it as she would be treated as if she married just to stay in Canada.Bad enough she lost the baby but they are trying to force them apart and us as a family. It feels like we are back in the days of slavery where families were ripped apart .
I'm sorry but you're getting yourself into an unnecessary tizzy.

Your daughter has been in a relationship with the father of the baby for 4 years. No doubt you'll have proof and can get confirmation from each set of parents, friends, and other family members if an when needed.

If you just calm down, have them arrange a cheap and cheerful wedding date, get them married, then he applies to sponsor her. Assuming they actually do want to be married and there are no other issues you haven't mentioned, i don't see the problem. She'd have PR in around 3 months.

The "woman" won't have any say in the decision making.
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I'm still confused as to what your status is in Canada - what is YOUR visa? Do you have legal status?
Actually, it does look a bit squiffy. Been there 4 years on a 2 year visa which was then pushed back to 1
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Actually, it does look a bit squiffy. Been there 4 years on a 2 year visa which was then pushed back to 1
Exactly. I'm wondering if the whole family are there illegally, in which case they have bigger problems than just their daughter!

But if they do have legal status, she should too, which is why my poor little brain is mighty confuddled.
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Every so often someone posts an impossibly complicated and highly unlikely thread as some sort of tease or joke. This could definitely be one of those times.
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