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Hello, I am from England, British born and 25 years old, I have worked in care for 2 years and in security about a year and a half, I am looking to move to Canada as my situation in England is very grim, currently I am preparing for the fall out of something that will happen within the next few weeks and from that point then on, my life will be very bad.

But I have friends in Canada and one is fairly successful and is willing to put me up in his house with his family or a cottage of his as well as hire me and teach me his line of work.

So I am desperate for this as it is almost saving my life if nothing else, it is giving me a future worth living(as I said, life currently has gone very very wrong for me).

I will put this in points as that is easier for me:

* He will support me.
* I will have the 1500 pounds I see that is needed minimum to show you can support yourself.
*He will hire me as tech help (or what ever job title works, but the job is tech related), I do not have any education in this but he will hire me and teach me.
* He will pay a more than fair wage.
* I am in the process of getting a passport currently(never had one before so can't get the instant on)

I am looking into the international expeirence canada visa but see that it isn't just something I choose and do soon as I want? so that is sort of a big issue with it.

Also looking at the LMIA thing but the issue is that he would have to pay 1000 for me alone and somehow prove no one else was good for the job.

So looking for any advice for my situation, is there nothing I can say about having this job secured and such? ideally looking to move to Canada, wanted to anyway, but it was like a 5 year plan, only needing to rush things due to my situation in England.
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International Experience Canada is almost certain to be much quicker and easier than anything else you choose to do.

Right now the chances of getting selected to make a Work Permit application are "Excellent" and it's really your best bet, but you need your passport ASAP.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/iec/eligibility.asp


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From your information it is obvious the IEC visa is the only way you're going to access Canada in the short term. It appears you have limited/non transferable skills and, for the most part, access to Canada is very much acceptable employment driven. You should get your IEC application sent in post haste. If you need to depart U.K. quickly then your only option is to come as a visitor (6 month maximum) but you will not be permitted to work. If you do work the consequences from the Canadian Government can be serious.
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From your information it is obvious the IEC visa is the only way you're going to access Canada in the short term. It appears you have limited/non transferable skills and, for the most part, access to Canada is very much acceptable employment driven. You should get your IEC application sent in post haste. If you need to depart U.K. quickly then your only option is to come as a visitor (6 month maximum) but you will not be permitted to work. If you do work the consequences from the Canadian Government can be serious.
Can I apply even without having a passport?
And do you know of any sort of system that would allow me to go there then stay? I know you have to have two years there for a PR card right?
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Can I apply even without having a passport?
And do you know of any sort of system that would allow me to go there then stay? I know you have to have two years there for a PR card right?
That's not correct, you can apply for PR now, from the UK if you're eligible. But from what you've said, you wouldn't be eligible, as you would usually need a degree as a minimum, and some skilled work experience.

IEC is your only option from what you've said, the LMIA isn't possible as you can't get a LMIA for a position that you will be 'trained' in, you would need to have specialist skills in the job already to show that you should get the LMIA.

But IEC won't happen 'within the next few weeks'. By the time you've got your passport and applied, then even if you get selected instantly (you may not, it may be a few months or not at all), it will take around 8 weeks for processing, so figure about 3 months in total if selection happens straight away and longer if it doesn't.

There is no other way to go over to Canada and work quickly, the IEC is the quickest and easiest by a mile, so that's what you need to focus on, but just be aware that it won't happen in a few weeks. If you want to leave the UK sooner than that, you'll need to look within the EU, where you can move visa free quickly (at least for now!).

FWIW, I don't know the reason you're trying to leave the UK so urgently, if it's personal then that's one thing, but do be aware that if it's anything to do with the courts or debt, then moving to Canada won't make any difference.

HTH, good luck.
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That's not correct, you can apply for PR now, from the UK if you're eligible. But from what you've said, you wouldn't be eligible, as you would usually need a degree as a minimum, and some skilled work experience.

IEC is your only option from what you've said, the LMIA isn't possible as you can't get a LMIA for a position that you will be 'trained' in, you would need to have specialist skills in the job already to show that you should get the LMIA.

But IEC won't happen 'within the next few weeks'. By the time you've got your passport and applied, then even if you get selected instantly (you may not, it may be a few months or not at all), it will take around 8 weeks for processing, so figure about 3 months in total if selection happens straight away and longer if it doesn't.

There is no other way to go over to Canada and work quickly, the IEC is the quickest and easiest by a mile, so that's what you need to focus on, but just be aware that it won't happen in a few weeks. If you want to leave the UK sooner than that, you'll need to look within the EU, where you can move visa free quickly (at least for now!).

FWIW, I don't know the reason you're trying to leave the UK so urgently, if it's personal then that's one thing, but do be aware that if it's anything to do with the courts or debt, then moving to Canada won't make any difference.

HTH, good luck.
Thanks for the reply, not really good news for me sadly though as I really am on a time limit.

I know it sounds dodgy with my reasoning, but I will explain my situation, I lived with my granmother who has had a stroke and is now unresponsive and will either die very soon or go into a care home bed bound and while I live in the house(council house) I have been told that once she goes into a care home or passes, I will have 28 to leave the property or I will be arrested, to add to this, I work in a zero hours contract security job which pays me minimum wage and not enough hours to survive on, but even if the pay was great, I would still have the issue that I could be given hardly any work in a month or the month after then be evicted of someone else I move into, I am constanty looking for a new job but that isn't working out well for me.

So soon as the 28 days start, I will have a month to get a plan in motion for me to not be on the streets, I have very few options as far as I can see, as they all involve me selling all I own, moving in with some random person then doing nothing but working just to meet the bills and rent each month, being stuck in a hole that I won't be able to get out of.
I was planning to save up for college so I could get into IT and actually have a well paid job and one that allows me to live a life but of course now that plan is gone.
There are a few other factors but in short, if my gran passes away right now, I will have 28 days to work something out or literally be on the streets, also will add because I am a single male, I am not on any rehousing list as I am not at "risk".

Not really sure what to do unless I just do my best to live on people's sofas while I wait and pray for the IEC, unless I go for a "holiday" to canada while my friends teachs me and houses me and I wait for the IEC to come in, for this option, do you see any reason this wouldn't work?
Go to Canada offically for a holiday
Live with my friend as planned while he takes me around with him working
While waiting for the IEC to come in?





EDIT: Just to throw this out there, in about 2011, I got a NVQ/diploma in on site carentry, does that count for anything?

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I have been told that once she goes into a care home or passes, I will have 28 to leave the property or I will be arrested, to add to this
Obviously I don't know who told you this but neither a private landlord nor the council may knowingly make someone homeless. <--- click here to read about this for yourself.

Even if an eviction notice is served, you are entitled to appeal which means the eviction will be delayed. <----- clicking the bold type takes you to a link which explains .

Your location seems to be in Bristol.

Please read through this link which tells you how to apply to inherit the tenancy <------ click on the bold type again

I understand that your head will be all over the place right now because of the very sad situation with your Grandma. Very tough & it must feel like several guillotines are poised over your head right now ready to drop.

Please take a deep breath.

First. You talk to the council about inheriting the tenancy . Yes ,yes I know you may or will not have enough money to pay the rent because of the zero hours work BUT start with that step & do that this week.

Then, take yourself off to the job centre and talk to them about the situation and possible benefits like housing benefit and income support.

.....and then breathe. You will not be on the streets in 28 days from the time your grandma leaves her council house for the last time.

Come back and let us know how you get on with this please.

We also have a UK forum so if needs be I would be happy for this topic about your housing worries to be started there as several in the UK may be able to support and guide you through this.

Y'know. I was away from my cottage once for a period of 4 months. When I returned a squatter had moved in. Not a homeless type squatter. Just a female that decided my cottage looked right for her. No agreement . No rent . No nothing. It took a year to get her out. A year !

You have rights to a roof over your head tomcoke & there is help out there to ensure it stays that way.
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...I will have a month to get a plan in motion for me to not be on the streets, I have very few options as far as I can see.......because I am a single male, I am not on any rehousing list as I am not at "risk"...
While the bolded part is true (unless there's something you've not mentioned) you may be surprised at what is available from different Housing organisations including your local council.

There are some councils up and down the country whose housing staff have good relationships with understanding landlords, who will accept Housing Benefit tenants within the limits, with some even running deposit bond schemes meaning you don't have to pay a big sum yourself.

You have time and a bit of money so your options allow you a bit of leeway in finding somewhere that's okay rather than suddenly being faced with bad options. It would be a good idea to do some internet searches for your area about Housing advice and Deposit Bond. Use those words.

The organisation Shelter would be a very good place to start as they will know what's available in your area for folk in your situation.
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Your location seems to be in Bristol.
Bloody hell, if that's true your good options are massively increased then
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I know it sounds dodgy with my reasoning, but I will explain my situation, I lived with my granmother who has had a stroke and is now unresponsive and will either die very soon or go into a care home bed bound and while I live in the house(council house) I have been told that once she goes into a care home or passes, I will have 28 to leave the property or I will be arrested,
Once this has happened, the council will serve you with a Notice to Quit, bringing the tenancy to an end 28 days later. If the tenancy dates from before 2012, or has an inheritance clause in it, you may be able to inherit it from your grandmother if you have been living there with her for over 12 months.

to add to this, I work in a zero hours contract security job which pays me minimum wage and not enough hours to survive on, but even if the pay was great, I would still have the issue that I could be given hardly any work in a month or the month after then be evicted of someone else I move into, I am constanty looking for a new job but that isn't working out well for me.

So soon as the 28 days start, I will have a month to get a plan in motion for me to not be on the streets, I have very few options as far as I can see, as they all involve me selling all I own, moving in with some random person then doing nothing but working just to meet the bills and rent each month, being stuck in a hole that I won't be able to get out of.
I don't want to come across as mean, but there are two strands to that. Selling everything you own to pay for rent would be horrendous, and horrible, and I hope you don't have to go through with it. Moving in with someone you don't know.... is getting a flatmate, and lots (most) people in their 20s have done it. It can be awkward, you hope you get lucky. If it doesn't work, you might end up moving. If you go to Canada, you're probably at some point going to live with people you don't know.

I was planning to save up for college so I could get into IT and actually have a well paid job and one that allows me to live a life but of course now that plan is gone.
There are a few other factors but in short, if my gran passes away right now, I will have 28 days to work something out or figuratively be on the streets, also will add because I am a single male, I am not on any rehousing list as I am not at "risk".

Not really sure what to do unless I just do my best to live on people's sofas while I wait and pray for the IEC, unless I go for a "holiday" to canada while my friends teachs me and houses me and I wait for the IEC to come in, for this option, do you see any reason this wouldn't work?
Go to Canada offically for a holiday
Live with my friend as planned while he takes me around with him working
While waiting for the IEC to come in?

EDIT: Just to throw this out there, in about 2011, I got a NVQ/diploma in on site carentry, does that count for anything?
Presumably if you're on minimum wage, well under full-time hours, you have some kind of benefits (income support, jobseekers allowance, working tax credits, housing benefit - the mix depending how many hours a week you average). Something to bear in mind is that at the moment, you do have a safety net, however thin it looks. Moving to Canada is very expensive, even if you have somewhere to stay (getting passport, long haul flight, comprehensive medical insurance, proof of funds on arrival), and you won't be entitled to things like local unemployment support - if anything goes wrong with your friend's offer, you'll be in a worse situation than you are now. And this isn't a long-term solution unless he can train you into something very highly specialised that Canadians can't do, as IEC is only a two-year permit.

If you can afford to do IEC, then you can afford to be a lot less panicked - the funds it will take will ensure that you can coast for a good few months at home. Which is also a good thing because IEC is random draw, so it's far from sure you'll get one of the places left. I certainly wouldn't recommend illegally working as you suggest, even if it's in return for board rather than cash, as people have been issued exclusion orders for that in the past (banned from Canada for a period of time).
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Going through all your replies(thanks for those too), before I make a proper reply, I will add that I know I can inheriet the tenancy or rather could of, but my grand father was the tenant, then he died a few years back and it was inherieted to my gran, Merlin the housing society has told me that because it has gone through an inhertiance already, that I won't be able to have it.

There are a few options that I have found I can do but they involve my gran not being unresponsive.

The council has told me that they have laws or agreement to rehouse me, Merlin said the same, but added that if I was in some way disabled or not single, then that would change matters.

Also, the housing officer who told me this was blunt and honest, which I am thankful for as they didn't sugar coat it but also offered some advice such as the appeals to help my situation.

But as far as I can work out(early days of course) my job is beyond pointless as I can be working nearly every day for almost no money, plus the zero hours contract part is a real issue as even with support from benefits, I feel like it is a lost cause due to the fact I might get no work then have no money for that month.

Also too add, I have a 70 pound phone contract for the past 2 years and a 200 a month towards a 9k loan, so I have a minimum of roughly 300 a month I have to pay.

I am making various lists/plans on my choices towards Canada but will read the various links you guys have given and see what I can make up with a plan with those.


Thanks for the replies, it is very early days I know, but it truly feels like I am either going to be homeless or stuck paying my bills + rent with no sort of life while hardly being at home due to having to work so much to make any money.

My gran is like a mother to me as my real mum left me when I was very young and has not been heard since, so the shock of my gran either passing away or going into a home bed bound, added on with the whole housing issue/lack of money and sh!t job, plus having to rehouse my cat most likely.

Don't mean to sound like a sob story, just want to explain everything and basically give an excuse to why I may sound so dramatic or be unable to think things through clearly.

Again, thanks, this is very helpful and I hope that this all will give me less despair towards my future.


Edit: Forgot to add, my gran has been in hospital for 5 days now, she won't be coming home anytime soon, even if she recovered, she will not recover to the point of being allowed back to her own home.






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Succession following the death of a sole tenant

As long as the tenancy was not previously inherited, it will automatically pass to a husband, wife, civil partner or otherwise onto a family member. That family member must have been living with the tenant for the previous 12 months.

^ The tenancy was already inherited, so sadly this won't work for me, did try this route already but that is when a Merlin housing offier explained it all, I am going to answer all I can as clear as possible, I will put this on here even though I already stated above that the succession won't work as I won't to cross off any ideas someone might say if it is already explained to save confusion.


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Bloody hell, if that's true your good options are massively increased then
How come?


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I don't want to come across as mean, but there are two strands to that. Selling everything you own to pay for rent would be horrendous, and horrible, and I hope you don't have to go through with it. Moving in with someone you don't know.... is getting a flatmate, and lots (most) people in their 20s have done it. It can be awkward, you hope you get lucky. If it doesn't work, you might end up moving. If you go to Canada, you're probably at some point going to live with people you don't know.
Sorry, what I mean with about moving in with someone to split costs, isn't that it is not ideal, I mean it isn't ideal but what I mean is, I will be stuck in my situation for as long as I can see, due to my job paying so little and being zero hours contract, I could see it getting better with a different/new job but until then, I would just be stuck renting a place that I am unable to use for anything but sleeping, I can't see myself having any sort of future as I won't be able to escape the work/sleep/work/sleep life as I won't be able to save money to study or get a car for more chances of work and such.

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If you can afford to do IEC, then you can afford to be a lot less panicked - the funds it will take will ensure that you can coast for a good few months at home. Which is also a good thing because IEC is random draw, so it's far from sure you'll get one of the places left. I certainly wouldn't recommend illegally working as you suggest, even if it's in return for board rather than cash, as people have been issued exclusion orders for that in the past (banned from Canada for a period of time).
I have 120£ currently, but I worked all through Christmas and New York, 2 weeks straight so hoping to get a bit more than normal this month, but currently I can't afford the IEC, it is all being worked out now with my friends, we planned to meet to talk about it tonight, iron out details and confirm various things, a lot of the plan is my friends helping, sadly only people I could call my friends are Canadians and they are the only ones who can help, purely paperwork is in the way of having a new life.

What my friend would teach me is pretty skilled, he makes a ton from what tech stuff he does and that job is why he can afford to have me, but pretty much willing to do anything to get to Canada to be there with my friends as it is the only future where I can see myself no just working/sleeping and nothing else until I die pretty much, dramatic I know, but I can't see how I could better myself or give myself a better chance of a happy life while all I do is work and sleep.

I don't know if I am being too negative or just really vulernable right now and desperate to escape this reality to live this perfect life in my eyes, I don't want a job that pays me millions, but for the past year, I have just been working all the time for nothing nearly, to the point I did 5 weeks straight everyday and purely did that as I thought the next month might only get me a week of work.

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What my friend would teach me is pretty skilled, he makes a ton from what tech stuff he does and that job is why he can afford to have me
Assuming that your mate is a Canadian citizen or PR though and that's what you aspire to be one day, please keep in mind that while he can do whatever he likes in Canada, you cannot.

If you wanted to earn PR one day later down the line then you need a paper trail for that. Tax forms, letters, that sort of thing. If you work cash in hand or aren't working full-time hours then achieving long term residency would be a heck of a lot harder.

I'm not trying to put your dreams down at all but it's just that you need to keep your feet on the ground and consider the practicalities whenever you're considering moving abroad.
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Assuming that your mate is a Canadian citizen or PR though and that's what you aspire to be one day, please keep in mind that while he can do whatever he likes in Canada, you cannot.

If you wanted to earn PR one day later down the line then you need a paper trail for that. Tax forms, letters, that sort of thing. If you work cash in hand or aren't working full-time hours then achieving long term residency would be a heck of a lot harder.

I'm not trying to put your dreams down at all but it's just that you need to keep your feet on the ground and consider the practicalities whenever you're considering moving abroad.
The job would be official just to say, I mentioned above about working/learning while on a holiday visa before gaining more time there only to know if this was an option I could take.
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I mentioned above about working/learning while on a holiday visa before gaining more time there only to know if this was an option I could take.
It is not and getting caught would finish any chances of getting a permit to live in Canada.
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It is not and getting caught would finish any chances of getting a permit to live in Canada.

On my list of plans, got anything needs to be official now.

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We also have a UK forum so if needs be I would be happy for this topic about your housing worries to be started there as several in the UK may be able to support and guide you through this.

I can't see the forum for that, I can see the Move back to England but not just a UK one in general, could you link it please.

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