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'Graduating' and from an IEC to a normal work visa

Old Aug 2nd 2016, 5:24 pm
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Hi all,

I was hoping someone would be able to tell me whether or not I am being realistic.

As it stands my name is in for the IEC ballot and I am waiting to hear back. Once I have (provided it is positive), I'll head to Vancouver and get a job.

The issue is that I am unsure if I can move from the IEC visa to a working visa with relative ease or if I will have to leave at the end of it - no exceptions.

Any advice would, as always, be greatly appreciated.

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The issue is that I am unsure if I can move from the IEC visa to a working visa with relative ease or if I will have to leave at the end of it - no exceptions.
Unfortunately, no way of knowing in advance. It will depend on the job you are doing, your skills, whether or not your employer is prepared to go through hassle/cost to keep you, etc, etc.

Potentially, yes, you could get a 'normal' TWP or even PR after being on an IEC, but it really will depend on your job and employer, as well as potentially things like your education level and language abilities (for PR score).

HTH a bit at least.

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Thanks Christmas, that does seem to be fair.

Do you happen to know if you can extend an IEC?
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Hi all,

I was hoping someone would be able to tell me whether or not I am being realistic.

As it stands my name is in for the IEC ballot and I am waiting to hear back. Once I have (provided it is positive), I'll head to Vancouver and get a job.

The issue is that I am unsure if I can move from the IEC visa to a working visa with relative ease or if I will have to leave at the end of it - no exceptions.

Any advice would, as always, be greatly appreciated.

Michael

1. No, it won't be easy. To get a regular work permit after the IEC, you would have to find an employer that is willing to obtain an Labour Market IA, they would have to pay $1000, after advertising the position for 4 weeks and the employer has to demonstrate that no applicants were qualified for the position, before a new work permit could be applied for.
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Thanks Christmas, that does seem to be fair.

Do you happen to know if you can extend an IEC?
No, you can't - it's a 2 year, once only, deal.
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1. No, it won't be easy. To get a regular work permit after the IEC, you would have to find an employer that is willing to obtain an Labour Market IA, they would have to pay $1000, after advertising the position for 4 weeks and the employer has to demonstrate that no applicants were qualified for the position, before a new work permit could be applied for.
Or PNP (still needs the employers help though), or LMIA with no fee for a PR app. Depends on how much his employer wants to keep him I guess!

Unless of course he scores enough on the CRS to qualify without a job offer, in which case he's fine and no need to get a job offer or have help from an employer to stay.
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Frustrating but understandable, perhaps leaving the EU will relax things.

Thanks both, very helpful.

It's almost tempting to forget the IEC and get a job here that I can transfer with. Presuming that would allow for more than two years, or at the very least keep things more flexible.
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If it's any help, over the last 10 years I:
  • Arrived on the IEC visa
  • Found a career job
  • They helped me apply for Alberta Immigrant Nomination Program
  • They helped me get a temporary work visa to bridge the gap between the end of the IEC and the start of the AINP
  • Got the AINP, and left the company to find a better job
  • Applied for and got my PR
  • Applied for and got my citizenship

Not sure how the system has changed in the last 10 years, but it's possible. You will need the right set of circumstances and a little luck.
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Default Re: 'Graduating' and from an IEC to a normal work visa

Originally Posted by thingstodo123
Frustrating but understandable, perhaps leaving the EU will relax things.

Thanks both, very helpful.

It's almost tempting to forget the IEC and get a job here that I can transfer with. Presuming that would allow for more than two years, or at the very least keep things more flexible.
It has very little to do with the EU. It is based on reciprocal agreements between Canada and UK governments. For example if you had an Irish passport you could get IEC up to 35 as the Irish government offer the same deal to Canadians.

Have you had a look at what your CRS score is now. You could then do another score assuming 2 years down the line and 2 years of skilled work experience in Canada (Skill 0,A or B). If either of these are above 450 you would likely be ok without a job. If not you would need an LMIA supported job. What is it that you do?
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Frustrating but understandable, perhaps leaving the EU will relax things.
Highly unlikely. All it will do is make it harder to move to Europe where previously that was a breeze. Not to mention screw up the exchange rate and send small businesses under. Grumble, grumble!

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It's almost tempting to forget the IEC and get a job here that I can transfer with. Presuming that would allow for more than two years, or at the very least keep things more flexible.
It would give you 3 years, still wouldn't automatically mean you could stay though, and you'd need to come under fairly narrow criteria for an Intra-Company Transfer TWP i.e. highly specialist (can't be found in Canada) skills or a senior exec of the company - Intra-Company Transfer-Canada : British Expat Wiki

Tbh, if you're lucky enough to get selected and given an IEC, then I'd grab that opportunity with both hands, as it seems to be getting harder and harder to get in to Canada and it would at least mean you could try the country. You might go for 2 years and decide you don't want to stay anyway!

HTH.
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Thanks Photo, that's a rather positive story! Can take heart from that as decisions are made further down the line.

I live in hope Engineer, largely as the UK turned it's back on the Commonwealth when embracing 'Europe'. But yes, probably very little change if any! Most things are bilateral in this regard.

The one thing Brexit supposedly did effect was how many people applied to leave the country (for some bizarre reason). May be unrelated but I only managed to get through the system in the last couple of days - with no good reason to block the IEC application previously.

I haven't had a look at CRS until now and got a score 298 on a quick run through.

What I do is a difficult one, I ran my own website/company for three years, then worked in marketing for a couple more. Having said that, I have no wish to pursue the latter.
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Highly unlikely. All it will do is make it harder to move to Europe where previously that was a breeze. Not to mention screw up the exchange rate and send small businesses under. Grumble, grumble!



It would give you 3 years, still wouldn't automatically mean you could stay though, and you'd need to come under fairly narrow criteria for an Intra-Company Transfer TWP i.e. highly specialist (can't be found in Canada) skills or a senior exec of the company - Intra-Company Transfer-Canada : British Expat Wiki

Tbh, if you're lucky enough to get selected and given an IEC, then I'd grab that opportunity with both hands, as it seems to be getting harder and harder to get in to Canada and it would at least mean you could try the country. You might go for 2 years and decide you don't want to stay anyway!

HTH.

The last point is very true and I do tend to agree with you - got to try things.

I'm not going to debate Brexit though! Dangerous ground.
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Thanks Photo, that's a rather positive story! Can take heart from that as decisions are made further down the line.

I live in hope Engineer, largely as the UK turned it's back on the Commonwealth when embracing 'Europe'. But yes, probably very little change if any! Most things are bilateral in this regard.

The one thing Brexit supposedly did effect was how many people applied to leave the country (for some bizarre reason). May be unrelated but I only managed to get through the system in the last couple of days - with no good reason to block the IEC application previously.

I haven't had a look at CRS until now and got a score 298 on a quick run through.

What I do is a difficult one, I ran my own website/company for three years, then worked in marketing for a couple more. Having said that, I have no wish to pursue the latter.
Bear in mind that if you need an LMIA (and with 298 points, you almost certainly will) or you want to do an ICT you will need to identify some skill(s) that are highly unusual/unique. The question you/a future employer needs to answer is what do you do that a current Canadian PR/citizen cant/wont.
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I haven't had a look at CRS until now and got a score 298 on a quick run through.
298 won't get you anywhere unless points drop considerably, so you'd definitely need a job offer or PNP nomination as things stand now. Being there on an IEC would maximise your chance of that though.

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I'm not going to debate Brexit though! Dangerous ground.
Too true! I deliberately stayed out of the many Brexit threads on the forum when it was going on for that reason. Just friends small businesses going under that's made me extra cross about it now.
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Tbh, if you're lucky enough to get selected and given an IEC, then I'd grab that opportunity with both hands, as it seems to be getting harder and harder to get in to Canada and it would at least mean you could try the country. You might go for 2 years and decide you don't want to stay anyway!
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I haven't had a look at CRS until now and got a score 298 on a quick run through.
Yep - you would need the IEC. As Christmas says, it is becoming a very coveted route to enable people to live and work in Canada.

As you can see from my timeline, that is how I got my PR
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