Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
May 13th 2012, 11:09 pm
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Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Interested in hearing people's experiences of this apparent reported anomoly.
Scenario: Canadian Husband (Dual British) arrives in Canada with British Wife and 2 x very young British/(Canadian through Father) children; all natural children of both.
Everyone is travelling on UK passports; Husband could pull out his Canadian Birth Certificate if required.
I understand that the individual Canadian Immigration Officer at the gate in the airport on the day has fairly wide discretion re 6 to 12 months, favourable or not so much.
Of course the intention of the family is to make Canada the new home and a Spousal PR application (Inland or Outbound?) for the Wife would be filed soon upon landing. Employment for the Wife not an issue for a few years yet.
Thanking any contributors.
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Interested in hearing people's experiences of this apparent reported anomoly.
Scenario: Canadian Husband (Dual British) arrives in Canada with British Wife and 2 x very young British/(Canadian through Father) children; all natural children of both.
Everyone is travelling on UK passports; Husband could pull out his Canadian Birth Certificate if required.
I understand that the individual Canadian Immigration Officer at the gate in the airport on the day has fairly wide discretion re 6 to 12 months, favourable or not so much.
Of course the intention of the family is to make Canada the new home and a Spousal PR application (Inland or Outbound?) for the Wife would be filed soon upon landing. Employment for the Wife not an issue for a few years yet.
Thanking any contributors.
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May 13th 2012, 11:20 pm
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Any stay over 6 months needs to be in writing (Visitor Record) and issued by CBSA or CPC Vegreville (extensions not initial entry).
It is at the discretion of the examining officer but they are normally issued if one of the family is a Canadian citizen or PR and they will be sponsoring other family members.
If requested by the applicant and the BSO is satisfied that the foreign national is a temporary resident, is able to support themselves and accompanying family members financially, and is not inadmissible for reasons of health or security, the granting of entry for more than six months may be considered.
In no case should the BSO impose a period of time for a temporary resident’s stay greater than the validity of the foreign national’s passport or travel document. This will not be applicable to U.S. citizens and other foreign nationals exempted under R52(2) from the requirement to be in
possession of a passport or travel document.
It is at the discretion of the examining officer but they are normally issued if one of the family is a Canadian citizen or PR and they will be sponsoring other family members.
If requested by the applicant and the BSO is satisfied that the foreign national is a temporary resident, is able to support themselves and accompanying family members financially, and is not inadmissible for reasons of health or security, the granting of entry for more than six months may be considered.
In no case should the BSO impose a period of time for a temporary resident’s stay greater than the validity of the foreign national’s passport or travel document. This will not be applicable to U.S. citizens and other foreign nationals exempted under R52(2) from the requirement to be in
possession of a passport or travel document.
May 13th 2012, 11:25 pm
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Any stay over 6 months needs to be in writing (Visitor Record) and issued by CBSA or CPC Vegreville (extensions not initial entry) - so no 'on the door' extensions ever occur at the gate?It is at the discretion of the examining officer but they are normally issued if one of the family is a Canadian citizen or PR and they will be sponsoring other family members - I assume this is the "BSO"?
If requested by the applicant and the BSO is satisfied that the foreign national is a temporary resident, is able to support themselves and accompanying family members financially, and is not inadmissible for reasons of health or security, the granting of entry for more than six months may be considered - "BSO"?
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If requested by the applicant and the BSO is satisfied that the foreign national is a temporary resident, is able to support themselves and accompanying family members financially, and is not inadmissible for reasons of health or security, the granting of entry for more than six months may be considered - "BSO"?
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May 13th 2012, 11:31 pm
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Just as a thought, why not apply for PR now, then your wife would have it within about 6 months anyway, so no need to extend the visitor visa at all?
And definitely an 'outland' application unless you want it to take 2 or 3 times as long! There are pros and cons to each route though, have a look at the Wiki article about spousal sponsorship to see them.
And definitely an 'outland' application unless you want it to take 2 or 3 times as long! There are pros and cons to each route though, have a look at the Wiki article about spousal sponsorship to see them.
May 13th 2012, 11:37 pm
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Just as a thought, why not apply for PR now, then your wife would have it within about 6 months anyway, so no need to extend the visitor visa at all?
And definitely an 'outland' application unless you want it to take 2 or 3 times as long! There are pros and cons to each route though, have a look at the Wiki article about spousal sponsorship to see them.
And definitely an 'outland' application unless you want it to take 2 or 3 times as long! There are pros and cons to each route though, have a look at the Wiki article about spousal sponsorship to see them.
We did think about applying now via London but for various reasons it is likely that we will not have all of the necessary family papel ready before we touch down (September/October).
As Employment is not an issue for her we thought we would simply focus on more pressing matters.
Plus, I am cheap, and do not wish to give any more £ to anymore beaucrats, anywhere in the world, at the moment!
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May 13th 2012, 11:59 pm
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
CBSA = Canada Border Services Agency (Customs & Immigration).
CPC Vegreville = Case Processing Centre used for extensions, changes etc
BSO = Border Services Officer (Customs & Immigration).
No extensions normally given unless flagpoling i.e going to the US and returning which can be refused though quicker than applying through CPC Vegreville. The flagpoling is not an extension per se but a new entry allowing further time in Canada if applications not finalized.
No fees with flagpoling either whereas extension of visitor record is $75.
CPC Vegreville = Case Processing Centre used for extensions, changes etc
BSO = Border Services Officer (Customs & Immigration).
No extensions normally given unless flagpoling i.e going to the US and returning which can be refused though quicker than applying through CPC Vegreville. The flagpoling is not an extension per se but a new entry allowing further time in Canada if applications not finalized.
No fees with flagpoling either whereas extension of visitor record is $75.
May 14th 2012, 12:12 am
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CBSA = Canada Border Services Agency (Customs & Immigration).
CPC Vegreville = Case Processing Centre used for extensions, changes etc
BSO = Border Services Officer (Customs & Immigration).
No extensions normally given unless flagpoling i.e going to the US and returning which can be refused though quicker than applying through CPC Vegreville. The flagpoling is not an extension per se but a new entry allowing further time in Canada if applications not finalized.
No fees with flagpoling either whereas extension of visitor record is $75.
CPC Vegreville = Case Processing Centre used for extensions, changes etc
BSO = Border Services Officer (Customs & Immigration).
No extensions normally given unless flagpoling i.e going to the US and returning which can be refused though quicker than applying through CPC Vegreville. The flagpoling is not an extension per se but a new entry allowing further time in Canada if applications not finalized.
No fees with flagpoling either whereas extension of visitor record is $75.
Flagpoling...yes, I had forgotten that particular practical approach; suppose it bears thinking about.
Re 'Outbound v Inland' what is the working rationale for what one would presume is a bit of a backward approach from Canada's perspective, ie., so much longer if one is already in Canada, and contributing at least pockey £ to society? Perhaps I am missing the point.
Is this designed as a 'Gate Keeper' point, to assess more quickly those people whilst still officially outside of Canada?? And, if one can still appear 'Outbound' on the paperwork, although actually physically inside Canada, what is the point in CIC keeping up what appears to be a redundant demarcation of the process?
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May 14th 2012, 12:44 am
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
I too sometimes wonder of some of the CIC procedures but in their infinite wisdom they are what they are. From a personal view point which I know will upset some then the least they should do is ensure that any person wishing to move to Canada has a medical and police background check done before they arrive. This might alleviate some of the problems but will be argued that it might be against the spirit of the Act or an infringement of their Human Rights.
Much easier to stop them before entering if inadmissible than letting them arrive and then finding out inadmissible after then trying to remove them.
Obviously people could overstay and then use the Human & Compassionate grounds to try and stay.
Much easier to stop them before entering if inadmissible than letting them arrive and then finding out inadmissible after then trying to remove them.
Obviously people could overstay and then use the Human & Compassionate grounds to try and stay.
May 14th 2012, 1:57 am
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Cheers C. Aware of the above Wiki; a useful starter indeed. Like a Prawn Cocktail though, tasty but always leaves one wanting more
We did think about applying now via London but for various reasons it is likely that we will not have all of the necessary family papel ready before we touch down (September/October).
As Employment is not an issue for her we thought we would simply focus on more pressing matters.
Plus, I am cheap, and do not wish to give any more £ to anymore beaucrats, anywhere in the world, at the moment!
FROTSUK
We did think about applying now via London but for various reasons it is likely that we will not have all of the necessary family papel ready before we touch down (September/October).
As Employment is not an issue for her we thought we would simply focus on more pressing matters.
Plus, I am cheap, and do not wish to give any more £ to anymore beaucrats, anywhere in the world, at the moment!
FROTSUK
Don't forget the added costs of any insurance coverage you might need, potentially higher car insurance premiums, inability to work, etc etc.
Makes sense to start now to make the process much easier and your life a little more cost effective over the coming year.
May 14th 2012, 2:05 am
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Medical, Dental, etc will cost the non Canadian/s full whack rather than it being free or highly subsidised. Could work out much cheaper to start the process now and the chances of having full PR for everybody by close to arrival pretty good.
Don't forget the added costs of any insurance coverage you might need, potentially higher car insurance premiums, inability to work, etc etc.
Makes sense to start now to make the process much easier and your life a little more cost effective over the coming year.
Don't forget the added costs of any insurance coverage you might need, potentially higher car insurance premiums, inability to work, etc etc.
Makes sense to start now to make the process much easier and your life a little more cost effective over the coming year.
Trouble is that all of the new passports do not arrive until likely just before we fly (for various reasons) hence my reticence to jump too quickly into the family paperwork as a whole
.One of said newcomers is not even legally 'alive' yet en vitro for immigration purposes, depending on who one asks of course.
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May 14th 2012, 2:28 am
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Seeing as you are a lawyer would you care to answer this question.
You raise the issue of not even legally alive and Im assuming we are talking In vitro fertilsation?
If the sperm being used for this process was delibarately damaged and spoiled would you consider have charges being laid for murder/manslaughter/infanticide?
You raise the issue of not even legally alive and Im assuming we are talking In vitro fertilsation?
If the sperm being used for this process was delibarately damaged and spoiled would you consider have charges being laid for murder/manslaughter/infanticide?
May 14th 2012, 2:38 am
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Seeing as you are a lawyer would you care to answer this question.
You raise the issue of not even legally alive and Im assuming we are talking In vitro fertilsation?
If the sperm being used for this process was delibarately damaged and spoiled would you consider have charges being laid for murder/manslaughter/infanticide?
You raise the issue of not even legally alive and Im assuming we are talking In vitro fertilsation?
If the sperm being used for this process was delibarately damaged and spoiled would you consider have charges being laid for murder/manslaughter/infanticide?
In relation to this scenario, no, we are not discussing in/en vitro fertilisation. FL: My apologies, my bad, I meant to say "en vivo"...typed my Latin a little too quickly!
We are simply discussing the practical problem that FROTSUK No. 2 is yet to be born, and, therefore as No. 2 is not a legal person' for ID & Passport purposes, I am very much limited on what I can do for them in terms of PR/Proof of Citizenship and the like.
Looking at your query more abstractly though, I am unsure in your scenario whether one could bring criminal charges (although I suppose one could try civil charges in Tort along the lines of Loss of Earning potential over life?) No sure of the jurisdiction we are discussing here either - Canada or UK?
I am sure someone will be along shortly with a more informed viewpoint...
I was actually hinting at the contrasting views of many religious/exitentialist leanings, when compared to the law of the land of most modern societies, you know...the whole Feotus/Abortion rule thing really.
I also imagine that quite visible and/or dclared Pregnancies causes CIC some beaucratic headaches.
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May 14th 2012, 2:43 am
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Re: Getting that 12 months 'Holiday stamp' instead of 6 once you touch down?
Question has been answered so no need for further debate.
May 14th 2012, 2:59 am
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May 14th 2012, 3:03 am
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...babies-canada/
