French or Work?

Old Jul 15th 2002, 9:20 am
  #1  
Birdi
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Hello,

Under the new law, I received 69 points : 22 for education (B.Sc in Mathematics and
Computer Science) 21 for work experience (8 years) 16 for language (fluent English)
10 for age (32) Total 69 points - not enough... I'm single, have no relatives in
Canada and does not speak French?

The French limitation seems strange.. why should I speak French if I plan to live,
for example, in Vancouver? Chinese may be more useful than French there...

What should I do before trying to apply for a PR? Will an intensive French course
will bring me to a basic-to moderate level, so I'll get the missing 6 points? Or
maybe I should come to Canada on a tourist visa and try to find a job? I'm a software
engineer. Does the "Pilot program" still hold? What is the procedure with HRDC in
this case, and how long will it take?

Thanks, Birdi
 
Old Jul 15th 2002, 9:20 am
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Andrew Miller
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First of all - if you have a single Bachelor degree with at least 14 years of
education you will get only 20 points in the Education factor. If you have 2 or
more Bachelor level degrees with minimum of 15 years of education then you'll get
22 points.

Secondly - maximum number of points in Language factor is 20, so if you already
have 16 points for English then the best you can gain is additional 4 points for at
least a moderate level or better of French. Basic proficiency in French will give
you only 2 points.

So, it looks like you are 8 points short and no matter what level of French you can
prove it will not give you enough points to reach the pass mark. Arranged employment
is your best bet here and yes - facilitated processing for 7 specific software
related occupations is still in place. But in order to get extra points for arranged
employment under HRDC validation exempt program you must already work in Canada AND
your Work Permit must be valid for at least 12 months beyond the PR application date
AND you must include with the application a letter from employer that a full time
permanent employment will be offered to you after you become a PR.

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millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
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"Birdi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello,
    >
    > Under the new law, I received 69 points : 22 for education (B.Sc in Mathematics and
    > Computer Science) 21 for work experience (8 years) 16 for language (fluent English)
    > 10 for age (32) Total 69 points - not enough... I'm single, have no relatives in
    > Canada and does not speak French?
    >
    > The French limitation seems strange.. why should I speak French if I plan to live,
    > for example, in Vancouver? Chinese may be more useful than French there...
    >
    > What should I do before trying to apply for a PR? Will an intensive French course
    > will bring me to a basic-to moderate level, so I'll get the missing 6 points? Or
    > maybe I should come to Canada on a tourist visa and try to find a job? I'm a
    > software engineer. Does the "Pilot program" still hold? What is the procedure with
    > HRDC in this case, and how long will it take?
    >
    > Thanks, Birdi
 
Old Jul 15th 2002, 11:20 am
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Dfdf
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Andrew Miller wrote in message ...
    >Secondly - maximum number of points in Language factor is 20, so if you
already
    >have 16 points for English then the best you can gain is additional 4
points
    >for at least a moderate level or better of French. Basic proficiency in
French
    >will give you only 2 points.

Dear Andrew:

Are you sure about this? The CIC homepage
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-3.html states:

Language proficiency is one of the six selection factors for skilled workers. You
will be awarded up to 24 points for your basic, moderate or high abilities in English
and French. You will be given points based on your ability to:

listen; speak; read; and write.
 
Old Jul 15th 2002, 11:20 am
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Andrew Miller
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"Houston, we have a problem..."

Thanks for pointing this out as I (and probably many others) was under the impression
that the maximum number of points for language factor is 20 as it was in the first
officially published new selection grid which was still available on CIC website
until late last week (last time I checked).

More - Regulations *unclearly* state the following in the published in Canada
Gazette text:

Proficiency in English and French (20 points)

79.(2) Assessment points for proficiency in the official languages of Canada shall be
awarded up to a maximum of 24 points based on the benchmarks referred to in
Canadian Language Benchmarks 2000 for the English language and Standards
linguistiques Canadiens 2002 for the French language...

The 20 in the brackets above indicates maximum points allowed in the factor, while
wording below in subsection 2 states max of 24 points.

Manual also states 24 points, so looks like we'll stick to 24 "until further
notice"... especially that there is a "corrected" points grid here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-5.html

Thanks again for pointing out my mistake.

--

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Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
________________________________

"dfdf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Andrew Miller wrote in message ...
    > >Secondly - maximum number of points in Language factor is 20, so if you
    > already
    > >have 16 points for English then the best you can gain is additional 4
    > points
    > >for at least a moderate level or better of French. Basic proficiency in
    > French
    > >will give you only 2 points.
    >
    > Dear Andrew:
    >
    > Are you sure about this? The CIC homepage
    > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-3.html states:
    >
    > Language proficiency is one of the six selection factors for skilled workers. You
    > will be awarded up to 24 points for your basic, moderate or high abilities in
    > English and French. You will be given points based on your ability to:
    >
    > listen; speak; read; and write.
 
Old Oct 20th 2002, 3:47 pm
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Default Re: French or Work?

thousand times sorry that I dare to correct you - but maximum points for French you can get is 8, not 4, and total max is 24 for language......

Originally posted by Andrew Miller:
First of all - if you have a single Bachelor degree with at least 14 years of
education you will get only 20 points in the Education factor. If you have 2 or
more Bachelor level degrees with minimum of 15 years of education then you'll get
22 points.

Secondly - maximum number of points in Language factor is 20, so if you already
have 16 points for English then the best you can gain is additional 4 points for at
least a moderate level or better of French. Basic proficiency in French will give
you only 2 points.

So, it looks like you are 8 points short and no matter what level of French you can
prove it will not give you enough points to reach the pass mark. Arranged employment
is your best bet here and yes - facilitated processing for 7 specific software
related occupations is still in place. But in order to get extra points for arranged
employment under HRDC validation exempt program you must already work in Canada AND
your Work Permit must be valid for at least 12 months beyond the PR application date
AND you must include with the application a letter from employer that a full time
permanent employment will be offered to you after you become a PR.

--

../..

Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
________________________________

"Birdi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello,
    >
    > Under the new law, I received 69 points : 22 for education (B.Sc in Mathematics and
    > Computer Science) 21 for work experience (8 years) 16 for language (fluent English)
    > 10 for age (32) Total 69 points - not enough... I'm single, have no relatives in
    > Canada and does not speak French?
    >
    > The French limitation seems strange.. why should I speak French if I plan to live,
    > for example, in Vancouver? Chinese may be more useful than French there...
    >
    > What should I do before trying to apply for a PR? Will an intensive French course
    > will bring me to a basic-to moderate level, so I'll get the missing 6 points? Or
    > maybe I should come to Canada on a tourist visa and try to find a job? I'm a
    > software engineer. Does the "Pilot program" still hold? What is the procedure with
    > HRDC in this case, and how long will it take?
    >
    > Thanks, Birdi
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Old Oct 21st 2002, 2:52 am
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Nothing to be sorry about - but you are correcting a post which was dated about
the time when we didn't have final version of Regulations yet and proposed
version was only info we relied upon. Then 20 points was a proposed max for
language. All changed after final version of Regulations was published...

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...
    > thousand times sorry that I dare to correct you - but maximum points for
    > French you can get is 8, not 4, and total max is 24 for language......
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller:
    > > First of all - if you have a single Bachelor degree with at least 14
    > > years of
    > > education you will get only 20 points in the Education factor. If you
    > > have 2 or
    > > more Bachelor level degrees with minimum of 15 years of education then
    > > you'll get
    > > 22 points.
    > >
    > > Secondly - maximum number of points in Language factor is 20, so if
    > > you already
    > > have 16 points for English then the best you can gain is additional 4
    > > points for at
    > > least a moderate level or better of French. Basic proficiency in
    > > French will give
    > > you only 2 points.
    > >
    > > So, it looks like you are 8 points short and no matter what level of
    > > French you can
    > > prove it will not give you enough points to reach the pass mark.
    > > Arranged employment
    > > is your best bet here and yes - facilitated processing for 7 specific
    > > software
    > > related occupations is still in place. But in order to get extra
    > > points for arranged
    > > employment under HRDC validation exempt program you must already work
    > > in Canada AND
    > > your Work Permit must be valid for at least 12 months beyond the PR
    > > application date
    > > AND you must include with the application a letter from employer that
    > > a full time
    > > permanent employment will be offered to you after you become a PR.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British
    > > Columbia email:
    > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above
    > > address before
    > > sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > > "Birdi" wrote in message
    > > news:e5ce8322.0207151-
    > > [email protected]
    "]news:e5ce8-
    > > [email protected][/url]...
    > > > Hello,
    > > >
    > > > Under the new law, I received 69 points : 22 for education (B.Sc
    > > in Mathematics and
    > > > Computer Science) 21 for work experience (8 years) 16 for
    > > language (fluent English)
    > > > 10 for age (32) Total 69 points - not enough... I'm single, have
    > > no relatives in
    > > > Canada and does not speak French?
    > > >
    > > > The French limitation seems strange.. why should I speak French
    > > if I plan to live,
    > > > for example, in Vancouver? Chinese may be more useful than
    > > French there...
    > > >
    > > > What should I do before trying to apply for a PR? Will an
    > > intensive French course
    > > > will bring me to a basic-to moderate level, so I'll get the
    > > missing 6 points? Or
    > > > maybe I should come to Canada on a tourist visa and try to find
    > > a job? I'm a
    > > > software engineer. Does the "Pilot program" still hold? What is
    > > the procedure with
    > > > HRDC in this case, and how long will it take?
    > > >
    > > > Thanks, Birdi
    > --
 

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