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Old Jan 25th 2022, 10:53 am
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Hi all I've been a member for a while but this is my first post!

So ideally I'm looking for some information or advise from maybe others that have been in my position or similar. Firstly, a bit about me ..

I'm a British citizen and currently I'm the IT Network Lead for a medium - large UK Law firm. Before that I was a Senior Network engineer for a large retail provider for 3 years. In total I've worked in telecoms/ IT for about 12-13 years with a break in the middle. I'm 38 years old nearly 39, I have a UK apprenticeship in Telecommunications, NVQ L3 in Telecommunications and Cisco CCNA and CCNP (soon to be 2 CCNPs). I have been wanting to migrate to Canada with my wife and Son for a good few years (COVID Delayed the process). My wife works for the Council in the Domestic Abuse support field but has no formal qualifications apart from school and an NVQ L2 in Beauty but has plenty of years experience from the Police and current role and is very good at her job.

So we were mainly hanging our hopes on me I don't have a degree and this is part of my problem as my points score wasn't above the magical 460, but I figured submit what I have for assessment and see what happens. I decided to go with ICAS as I've read they sometimes acknowledge NVQs but I just submitted everything I had to them despite it being recognised or not. I also approached Ontario college of trades to get an trade equivalency certificate as a Network Technician and submitted all the relevant things for that too. My thought process being even if ICAS come back and say all I have is high school only then if I have a cert aswell that will gain me some points and using the CRS calculator I was getting around 380 which I know maybe still no but its more than enough for the Alberta Express entry Stream which requires only 300 CRS points, I was hoping on PNP.

So last night I received an e-mail from Ontario college of trades stating the following (bare in mind I submitted the app on 8th Oct 21 and previously e-mailed them about the cert prior to this) ...

Thank you for contacting Skilled Trades Ontario. As of October 2021, all TEA applications for voluntary trades without exams (like 634C) were held and not processed due to upcoming changes in the legislation of skilled trades in Ontario. As of January 1st, 2022, there is no longer a certificate of qualification in this trade and we were not able to process your application before this deadline. We cannot process this application or provide a certificate of qualification for this trade any longer, if you would like to obtain a certificate of apprenticeship, you would have to complete Ontario's apprenticeship program.

Obviously this has knocked me and I now feel this dream fading away. I'm still waiting for my Qualifications assessment to come back from ICAS but if they say high school only then there really is no point as I don't think I would even hit the 300 mark and this dream is over.

I could try and get an extra qualification but that takes time and I'm 39 in June, I'm going to start loosing points for age.

I've tried approaching Canadian companies for work as I know there are a few Tech schemes about but you need a job offer and if I'm lucky to get a response its always "sorry were not looking overseas for this role". They wont touch you unless you have a visa already. I just feel like the whole express entry system is unfair, basically a grad with a bachelors degree (not necessarily in IT) and a couple of years of 1st line tech support work is in a better position than someone like me that has plenty of skilled experience and professional certs.

Apologies for the rant but I just see this now slipping away. Like I said ill have to wait for the ICAS results and hope but at this point that hope is is gradually fading. I haven't done the English tests yet Ill wait to see what ICAS says before paying out for them.

Any advice appreciated!

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Hi, welcome to BE.

Please don't give up, remember that EE is only a few routes out of the 50+ ways to a visa for Canada, so it's very unlikely there won't be any other option. You're right that essentially Canada wants highly educated and young immigrants, and the system is skewed in their favour, but that doesn't mean it won't happen for you via another route. The trade equivalency certificate you mention isn't relevant for your occupation (as they've said), so wouldn't count for EE points anyway.

What is your exact NOC code and would you consider any province or is it only ON and AB you're looking at? Do you have any experience of owning your own business by any chance? Either of you have any interest in obtaining a degree? And lastly, how have you been job hunting? I know it's been difficult for the past couple of years but have you been over there and job hunted in person, or are you phoning companies? Or just applying on the internet?

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Hi, Thanks for your reply!

I'm willing to move to pretty much any Provence, I was looking at Alberta firstly as I spent time there whist serving for the British Army and where I fell in love with the place. The Express Entry route for Alberta like I say only requires the 300 points.

The NOC Codes that best suit me are as follows:

2147 - Computer engineers (except software engineers and designers) - Skill Level A
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2281 - Computer network technicians - Skill Level B

Both are on the in demand roles throughout Canada.

Job hunting mainly finding jobs via jobsites or Linkedin then approaching the relevant company recruiters/ managers on Linkedin and ask about applying for the role. I haven't been over there in person due to the travel restrictions.

I would probably be open to get a degree but by the time its completed, ill have spent a fortune, probably too old to move to Canada (Loose points for age) and not really gain any benefit from it here in the UK. So that would need to be thought about before committing I could look at maybe 1 year courses see if any of them would help.

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I'm willing to move to pretty much any Provence, I was looking at Alberta firstly as I spent time there whist serving for the British Army and where I fell in love with the place. The Express Entry route for Alberta like I say only requires the 300 points
Technically correct, but the reality is that those that are selected generally not only have over 300 points, but also have a tie to AB - a job offer there, family there etc. They are given priority, so you might find you need a job offer after all for that route.

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2147 - Computer engineers (except software engineers and designers) - Skill Level A
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2281 - Computer network technicians - Skill Level B

Both are on the in demand roles throughout Canada.
Not sure what you mean by 'in demand roles'? There's no list of in demand occupations any longer, that was done away with years ago. However, 2147 is on the list of eligible occupations for the new AINP Accelerated Tech Pathway that was just announced, so that's worth a look. Both of your NOC's are also on the BC PNP Tech Pilot program list of eligible occupations. Both of these routes will need a job offer though, but there are other options if you'd look at other provinces - for example SK doesn't require a job offer for their PNP, neither does Manitoba. They're less popular provinces, so can often be easier to get in there.

Re: the degree, I was actually wondering about you (or your wife) doing it in Canada. That way the other person would get an open work permit for the same duration (i.e. 4 years), and you'd also get a post graduate work permit, although ideally you'd aim to have PR long before finishing the degree, via the person who is working. It's not a cheap route, but it's an option to look at if job hunting or a PNP doesn't work out.

And with regard to job hunting, have a good read of the Job Hunting section of the Wiki. To get an employer to sponsor you and go through all the hassle and potential cost of hiring you over a Canadian, you're going to have to get out there and knock on doors, or at they very least, pick up the phone. Applying via the internet just isn't likely to result in anything unless you have highly specialist skills (and then it's usually the headhunters that come to you, rather than the other way around!).

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There's no list of in demand occupations any longer, that was done away with years ago. However, 2147 is on the list of eligible occupations for the new AINP Accelerated Tech Pathway that was just announced, so that's worth a look. Both of your NOC's are also on the BC PNP Tech Pilot program list of eligible occupations. Both of these routes will need a job offer though, but there are other options if you'd look at other provinces - for example SK doesn't require a job offer for their PNP, neither does Manitoba. They're less popular provinces, so can often be easier to get in there.
Im aware of the BC Tech Pilot and just had a brief look at the Accelerated Tech Pathway, but like you say they require Job offers and for me its knowing how to approach employers by that I mean what's the best way to ask an employer to effectively allow you to apply and pay out for LIMA costs! Ill take a look at the job hunting board see if there are any pointers on there. Seems a bit silly that the likes of Calgary are screaming out for Tech roles and yet you cant apply for them despite these new immigration pathways.

The Canada Degree is something I hadn't thought of Im not sure how id go about that but like you said its would be expensive but something to consider.

Ive read that there is this new TEER system replacing NOC this year which apparently takes into account experience and lower academic qualifications like Apprenticeships So that could be a change that may benefit me as I can evidence all my experience as I complied it all for the Certificate application.

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for me its knowing how to approach employers by that I mean what's the best way to ask an employer to effectively allow you to apply and pay out for LIMA costs!
Note that those programs come under provincial nomination - so no LMIA required. But the Wiki is your starting point on that. It's all about personal contact in Canada, so you don't ask an employer for that to start with, but you build a relationship - tons of tips in the Wiki though so grab a cuppa and plan a trip out there to meet people.

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Seems a bit silly that the likes of Calgary are screaming out for Tech roles
Just checked Job Bank, only 5 jobs under NOC 2173 in Alberta, so not sure how accurate that is.

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Just checked Job Bank, only 5 jobs under NOC 2173 in Alberta, so not sure how accurate that is.
I don't think that's very accurate, if you look on linkedin Jobs or Indeed for Network Engineers/ analyst/ administrators there are shed loads. From various bits of research I've done, because of the amount of roles that companies are struggling to fill they bring in these Programs. Wouldn't make sense to have it otherwise.

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I don't think that's very accurate, if you look on linkedin Jobs or Indeed for Network Engineers/ analyst/ administrators there are shed loads. From various bits of research I've done, because of the amount of roles that companies are struggling to fill they bring in these Programs. Wouldn't make sense to have it otherwise.
OK, fair enough, I know nothing about IT. The question would be are those jobs open to those not in Canada? Job Bank is where companies have to advertise to bring in foreign workers, so only 5 jobs on there doesn't bode well for sponsorship.

Might be worth starting a new thread in the main Canada forum for info on job options in Alberta, there are lots of forum members who work in IT (dbd33 is one that springs to mind instantly), so hopefully they can advise you of your chances if you do need a job offer to get a visa.

Best of luck.

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OK, fair enough, I know nothing about IT. The question would be are those jobs open to those not in Canada? Job Bank is where companies have to advertise to bring in foreign workers, so only 5 jobs on there doesn't bode well for sponsorship.

Might be worth starting a new thread in the main Canada forum for info on job options in Alberta, there are lots of forum members who work in IT (dbd33 is one that springs to mind instantly), so hopefully they can advise you of your chances if you do need a job offer to get a visa.

Best of luck.

I didn't know that Job Bank specifically advertises jobs for foreigners I have looked at it in the past and just thought it was rubbish haha I'll keep an eye on it from now on. I have been going direct to companies and asking the question.

I will create a thread on the Alberta page see what comes up there regards jobs.

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I didn't know that Job Bank specifically advertises jobs for foreigners I have looked at it in the past and just thought it was rubbish
Anybody that wants to bring in a foreign worker has to advertise the job on there for at least 2 weeks, as part of the LMIA process.

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I will create a thread on the Alberta page see what comes up there regards jobs.
On the main Canada page, here - https://britishexpats.com/forum/canada-56/. It's the place for any non visa Canada related questions. We have a lot of members that work in IT, so if you can let them know your experience and skills they'll be able to advise which province you may be best focusing your job hunting efforts in, and what your chances are.

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