ng4379

Hi all,

Hope you can help me, we are applying for PR in Canada and at the moment our express entry profile only says that we have met the federal workers program.

My partner is a bricklayer and know he has to sit an exam in Edmonton Alberta to ensure he is certified but if he does this exam and we then add it to our express entry profile do you know if we will then meet the TWP?

We are hoping to apply under the TWP as we know that we do not need a job offer for this.

Any help would be great for a lost couple.

Many thanks

Former Lancastrian

How can I get a certificate of qualification from a provincial or territorial body for the Federal Skilled Trades Program?

In Canada, provinces and territories are in charge of education and training. This includes apprenticeships in the skilled trades. They also decide on the standards and conditions used to assess and recognize foreign credentials for certain trades.

To get a certificate of qualification, the regulatory body that governs trades in a province or territory must assess your training, trade experience and skills to decide if you are eligible to write an exam to be certified.

You will likely have to physically go to the province or territory to write the certification exam. You may also need an employer in Canada to give you training and work experience before you are allowed to write the exam.

Because the requirements to be certified in a trade are different in each province, you should contact the provincial or territorial regulatory body for more information.

NOTE: Completing an Express Entry profile is the first step to immigrate to Canada permanently as a skilled worker. Completing an Express Entry profile does not guarantee that you will receive an Invitation to Apply for permanent residence. An Invitation to Apply for permanent residence will be based on your score and rank in the Express Entry pool using the Comprehensive Ranking System.
How can I get a certificate of qualification from a provincial or territorial body for the Federal Skilled Trades Program?

Also read this link
Foreign workers: assessing a temporary foreign worker’s eligibility to work in Alberta in a compulsory certification trade position

Aviator

You don't need anything for a job offer. A job offer is worth less than the cost of the paper without the prerequisite approvals.

For a candidate to get a TWP the employer first has to try and hire Canadians or PR. If this is unsuccessful and the required criteria have been met they can apply for a LMIA to hire a foreign worker (this costs them around $1000). If that application is approved, they can then hire a foreign worker and that worker would get a TWP.

To get a trade certificate in Canada, one has to be able to prove 9000 (depends on trade) hours of work experience in that trade. They can then apply to challenge the exam.

ng4379

Thank you for your help guys, it has been a big help.

We are struggling to find copanies that currently have an LMIA in place, we have had a lot of interest but unfortunately not from companies who have anything in place to hire foreign workers. If you know of any companies who currently have one in place I would be great full of the info.

Just to clarify then, with the TWP we don't need a job offer if the exam is done in Canada?

Once the exam has been done and you have the certificate to say so for bricklayers do we then just go ahead and amend our express entry profile?

The working holiday visa so to speak isn't something we would go for as we want to go for PR in order that we can both work.

Thank you

Former Lancastrian

Under the Federal Skilled Worker programme no job is required you must meet the criteria and apply via Express Entry. If selected you are given PR status and then you can move to Canada and work.

The Federal Skilled Trades is somewhat different

have an offer of full-time employment for a total period of at least one yearFootnote ** or a certificate of qualification in that skilled trade issued by a Canadian provincial or territorial authority.
How Express Entry works

So which Express Entry programme are you applying under as there are several and it makes a difference under which one you apply under. Don't forget there are different PNP programmes mentioned as well.

Snowy560

The working holiday work permit would enable you to work in Canada, allowing to qualify under the Canadian Experience Class within EE (depending on skill level etc). It might also enable you to qualify under a PNP, depending on your job offer, employer and the eligibility criteria of the PNP.

With trade skills it's hard to get the necessary points for an ITA as you can't get trade qualifications evaluated by a credential agency. As noted, an LMIA supported job offer or PNP nomination is worth 600 points.

S

ng4379

We currently meet the criteria for the FSW..

We want to apply for the TWP, so if my parter goes to Alberta and does the theory and practical testing for bricklaying that would affectively give us enough points to be in a good stead to have an ITA at present we only have about 385 points 😞

We are quite willing to go to Canada beforehand to sit any exams or meet with potential employers but struggling to find any that have a valid LMIA in place.

Thank you

Snowy560

IMO I think you should rethink your decision not to apply for a chance for an IEC WH WP, assuming you meet the eligibility criteria.

S

ng4379

Can we do that as a joint application though? If not and only one of us gets a visa it kind of defeats the object of why we are applying.

Do we get points for have a Canadian qualification for my partners trade?

Snowy560

You have to apply separately for IEC but if only one of you gets a WP, the other could apply for a WP once the IEC person has a job at the right level. Can't provide links as on my phone.

CoQ = 50 points I believe but can't check easily or provide link as on my phone. Check the CRS.

S

Former Lancastrian

You can't do a joint application for the IEC WHV. If one of you got accepted and secured a job that is skilled then the other is eligible to apply for an open work permit based on the back of that. LMIAs are harder to get. Many have successfully done the 2 yr IEC and for PR status via the Canadian Experience Class or been nominated via the PNP.

Aviator

Rather than struggling, you won't find any. Unnamed LMIAs are only available in limited occupations (excl. Quebec, they have to be different!):

• Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program
• Agricultural stream
• Caregiver Program
• Stream for Low-wage positions
• Stream for High-wage positions

It is expensive and not at all like the LMO system.


You'll need a job offer.

ng4379

The WHV is out of the question to us. We discussed that but don't want to go for this option.

We will go back to the drawing board and hope that things go in our favour soon.

Even with the trade qualification we wouldn't have enough points.

Former Lancastrian

The final decision is yours but the WHV IMHO is a good decision. You apply and if selected you get a 2 yr work permit to work anywhere in Canada. No need to sell the house initially. What would happen if you hated Canada at least with the WHV you could go back immediately. You can move around on the WHV so not tied to any 1 employer. No guarantees you would get PR under the WHV but as you are finding out its just as hard trying to get PR without the WHV.

ng4379

Thanks guys, we will have a talk about it tonight over dinner and consider our options more.

Thank you all for your help it has been great to get some answers and more choices.

Many thanks