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English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

Old Aug 20th 2003, 3:55 pm
  #1  
Salem
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Default English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

Dear Mr. Miller and other members,
Thanks a lot for your contribution to this newsgroup. I have couple
questions regarding English proficiency proof. I try to describe my case as
concisely as possible.
On Aug. 7th, I sent my application to Buffalo. I provided official proof
for my 3.5 years of work experience in the US as teaching/research
assistant, for my Master's degree, and for my continuing education towards
Ph.D. in computer science. So far I have authored/co-authored 8 published
technical papers and this was mentioned in my research assistantship letter
that was written by my advisor. (I'm not sure whether they really read all
the letters and other documents.)
Sending these documents I assumed that they are enough to prove my "high
proficiency" in English. However, I received my whole application back on
Aug. 18th and the consulate asked me to provide either IELTS results or
written documentation proving my claim of high proficiency.

Quick look at my education in English: Before I come to US, I learnt English
back home in high school and my undergrad through English courses I took as
a second language. Also I spent a fair amount of time teaching myself such
that I could pass TOEFL and TSE (Test of Spoken English) requirements of my
current university in US.With this background,
1) What do you advise me to do to prove my English proficiency?
2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my case
processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
afterward? How early should I send my test results if I go with this option?

I would like to thank you for your time and patience in responding my questions.

Regards,
--Salem Derisavi
 
Old Aug 20th 2003, 4:09 pm
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Andrew Miller
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Default Re: English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

Documents you submitted alone prove nothing as far as your proficiency in
English is concerned. You need to conclusively prove claimed level of
proficiency in all 4 skills - reading, writing, listening and speaking - as
per Canadian Languages Benchmark manual, or to submit IELTS test results.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Salem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Dear Mr. Miller and other members,
    > Thanks a lot for your contribution to this newsgroup. I have couple
    > questions regarding English proficiency proof. I try to describe my case
as
    > concisely as possible.
    > On Aug. 7th, I sent my application to Buffalo. I provided official proof
    > for my 3.5 years of work experience in the US as teaching/research
    > assistant, for my Master's degree, and for my continuing education towards
    > Ph.D. in computer science. So far I have authored/co-authored 8 published
    > technical papers and this was mentioned in my research assistantship
letter
    > that was written by my advisor. (I'm not sure whether they really read all
    > the letters and other documents.)
    > Sending these documents I assumed that they are enough to prove my "high
    > proficiency" in English. However, I received my whole application back on
    > Aug. 18th and the consulate asked me to provide either IELTS results or
    > written documentation proving my claim of high proficiency.
    > Quick look at my education in English: Before I come to US, I learnt
English
    > back home in high school and my undergrad through English courses I took
as
    > a second language. Also I spent a fair amount of time teaching myself such
    > that I could pass TOEFL and TSE (Test of Spoken English) requirements of
my
    > current university in US.With this background,
    > 1) What do you advise me to do to prove my English proficiency?
    > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my case
    > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > afterward? How early should I send my test results if I go with this
option?
    > I would like to thank you for your time and patience in responding my
questions.
    > Regards,
    > --Salem Derisavi
 
Old Aug 20th 2003, 4:17 pm
  #3  
Derisavi
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Default Re: English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

Dear Mr. Miller,
Thanks a lot for your very quick response. I greately appreciate it if
you could answer the following question explicitly.

    > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my case
    > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > afterwards? How early should I send my test results if I go with this
    >option?

--Salem

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:nCX0b.1576$K44.1237@edtnps84...
    > Documents you submitted alone prove nothing as far as your proficiency in
    > English is concerned. You need to conclusively prove claimed level of
    > proficiency in all 4 skills - reading, writing, listening and speaking -
as
    > per Canadian Languages Benchmark manual, or to submit IELTS test results.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "Salem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Dear Mr. Miller and other members,
    > > Thanks a lot for your contribution to this newsgroup. I have couple
    > > questions regarding English proficiency proof. I try to describe my case
    > as
    > > concisely as possible.
    > > On Aug. 7th, I sent my application to Buffalo. I provided official
proof
    > > for my 3.5 years of work experience in the US as teaching/research
    > > assistant, for my Master's degree, and for my continuing education
towards
    > > Ph.D. in computer science. So far I have authored/co-authored 8
published
    > > technical papers and this was mentioned in my research assistantship
    > letter
    > > that was written by my advisor. (I'm not sure whether they really read
all
    > > the letters and other documents.)
    > > Sending these documents I assumed that they are enough to prove my
"high
    > > proficiency" in English. However, I received my whole application back
on
    > > Aug. 18th and the consulate asked me to provide either IELTS results or
    > > written documentation proving my claim of high proficiency.
    > >
    > > Quick look at my education in English: Before I come to US, I learnt
    > English
    > > back home in high school and my undergrad through English courses I took
    > as
    > > a second language. Also I spent a fair amount of time teaching myself
such
    > > that I could pass TOEFL and TSE (Test of Spoken English) requirements of
    > my
    > > current university in US.With this background,
    > > 1) What do you advise me to do to prove my English proficiency?
    > > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my
case
    > > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > > afterward? How early should I send my test results if I go with this
    > option?
    > >
    > > I would like to thank you for your time and patience in responding my
    > questions.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > --Salem Derisavi
 
Old Aug 20th 2003, 5:05 pm
  #4  
Andrew Miller
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Default Re: English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

You may try but you won't really know how much time you have till the
assessment stage as things are slowly but surely speeding up in all visa
posts. You'll be gambling - your initial assessment may happen anytime.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"derisavi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JJX0b.213670$uu5.38892@sccrnsc04...
    > Dear Mr. Miller,
    > Thanks a lot for your very quick response. I greately appreciate it if
    > you could answer the following question explicitly.
    > > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my
case
    > > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > > afterwards? How early should I send my test results if I go with this
    > >option?
    > --Salem
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:nCX0b.1576$K44.1237@edtnps84...
    > > Documents you submitted alone prove nothing as far as your proficiency
in
    > > English is concerned. You need to conclusively prove claimed level of
    > > proficiency in all 4 skills - reading, writing, listening and speaking -
    > as
    > > per Canadian Languages Benchmark manual, or to submit IELTS test
results.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Salem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Dear Mr. Miller and other members,
    > > > Thanks a lot for your contribution to this newsgroup. I have couple
    > > > questions regarding English proficiency proof. I try to describe my
case
    > > as
    > > > concisely as possible.
    > > > On Aug. 7th, I sent my application to Buffalo. I provided official
    > proof
    > > > for my 3.5 years of work experience in the US as teaching/research
    > > > assistant, for my Master's degree, and for my continuing education
    > towards
    > > > Ph.D. in computer science. So far I have authored/co-authored 8
    > published
    > > > technical papers and this was mentioned in my research assistantship
    > > letter
    > > > that was written by my advisor. (I'm not sure whether they really read
    > all
    > > > the letters and other documents.)
    > > > Sending these documents I assumed that they are enough to prove my
    > "high
    > > > proficiency" in English. However, I received my whole application back
    > on
    > > > Aug. 18th and the consulate asked me to provide either IELTS results
or
    > > > written documentation proving my claim of high proficiency.
    > > >
    > > > Quick look at my education in English: Before I come to US, I learnt
    > > English
    > > > back home in high school and my undergrad through English courses I
took
    > > as
    > > > a second language. Also I spent a fair amount of time teaching myself
    > such
    > > > that I could pass TOEFL and TSE (Test of Spoken English) requirements
of
    > > my
    > > > current university in US.With this background,
    > > > 1) What do you advise me to do to prove my English proficiency?
    > > > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my
    > case
    > > > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > > > afterward? How early should I send my test results if I go with this
    > > option?
    > > >
    > > > I would like to thank you for your time and patience in responding my
    > > questions.
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > --Salem Derisavi
    > >
    > >
 
Old Aug 21st 2003, 12:47 am
  #5  
James Metcalfe
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Default Re: English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

I believe that you have a good case to make that you are fully proficient in
English. The problem is that you did not present the facts as a submission
but sent documents which by them selves say nothing. You have to argue a
claim to being proficient and provide backup documentation to prove your
arguments.

Jim Metcalfe






"Salem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Dear Mr. Miller and other members,
    > Thanks a lot for your contribution to this newsgroup. I have couple
    > questions regarding English proficiency proof. I try to describe my case
as
    > concisely as possible.
    > On Aug. 7th, I sent my application to Buffalo. I provided official proof
    > for my 3.5 years of work experience in the US as teaching/research
    > assistant, for my Master's degree, and for my continuing education towards
    > Ph.D. in computer science. So far I have authored/co-authored 8 published
    > technical papers and this was mentioned in my research assistantship
letter
    > that was written by my advisor. (I'm not sure whether they really read all
    > the letters and other documents.)
    > Sending these documents I assumed that they are enough to prove my "high
    > proficiency" in English. However, I received my whole application back on
    > Aug. 18th and the consulate asked me to provide either IELTS results or
    > written documentation proving my claim of high proficiency.
    > Quick look at my education in English: Before I come to US, I learnt
English
    > back home in high school and my undergrad through English courses I took
as
    > a second language. Also I spent a fair amount of time teaching myself such
    > that I could pass TOEFL and TSE (Test of Spoken English) requirements of
my
    > current university in US.With this background,
    > 1) What do you advise me to do to prove my English proficiency?
    > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my case
    > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > afterward? How early should I send my test results if I go with this
option?
    > I would like to thank you for your time and patience in responding my
questions.
    > Regards,
    > --Salem Derisavi
 
Old Aug 21st 2003, 6:58 am
  #6  
Compiler
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Default Re: English proficiency proof (Mr. Miller please advise)

You need to submit a statement (explanation letter) supported by the
evidence, and then resubmit it. On the other hand, prepare the test.
If the score is good enough, just submit it later. If not, just rely
on the statement and evidence.
_________________________________________________

[email protected] (Salem) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > Dear Mr. Miller and other members,
    > Thanks a lot for your contribution to this newsgroup. I have couple
    > questions regarding English proficiency proof. I try to describe my case as
    > concisely as possible.
    > On Aug. 7th, I sent my application to Buffalo. I provided official proof
    > for my 3.5 years of work experience in the US as teaching/research
    > assistant, for my Master's degree, and for my continuing education towards
    > Ph.D. in computer science. So far I have authored/co-authored 8 published
    > technical papers and this was mentioned in my research assistantship letter
    > that was written by my advisor. (I'm not sure whether they really read all
    > the letters and other documents.)
    > Sending these documents I assumed that they are enough to prove my "high
    > proficiency" in English. However, I received my whole application back on
    > Aug. 18th and the consulate asked me to provide either IELTS results or
    > written documentation proving my claim of high proficiency.
    >
    > Quick look at my education in English: Before I come to US, I learnt English
    > back home in high school and my undergrad through English courses I took as
    > a second language. Also I spent a fair amount of time teaching myself such
    > that I could pass TOEFL and TSE (Test of Spoken English) requirements of my
    > current university in US.With this background,
    > 1) What do you advise me to do to prove my English proficiency?
    > 2) Does it make sense to send written documentation first (to have my case
    > processed earlier) and then take the test and send them the results
    > afterward? How early should I send my test results if I go with this option?
    >
    > I would like to thank you for your time and patience in responding my questions.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --Salem Derisavi
 

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