English Proficiency

Old Aug 25th 2003, 7:11 pm
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Hi,

Does everyone who has applied or will be applying in near future for immigration to Canada, taken IELTS exam ?

I just need to know, if some people dont take IELTS examination , then what could be the PROPER documentation that can be attached to attain maximum points in English Fluency.

If any one can please help me estimate my approximate points, I shall be very very thankful.

My English background :-

I have a Masters Degree from USA and BE from India. I have had more than 17 years of education where medium of instruction was English.

I have a TOEFL score of 277/300 and a Successful completion of course from British Education Division on"English conversation skills".

Thanks in advance.

- Teja
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Old Aug 26th 2003, 2:26 am
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Nobody can even guess what your score in Language factor can be. Without
acceptable test results officer is forced to evaluate your proficiency based
on substitute evidence as per 200+ pages long Canadian Languages Benchmark
in each of 4 abilities - listening, reading, speaking and writing. What you
have told us so far doesn't describe at all your level of proficiency in
each of those abilities, thus it is impossible to tell you what your score
may be. TOEFL is not acceptable and I strongly suggest to take IELTS test as
such is the only objective and undisputable proof of English proficiency.
Don't take any risk of submitting substitute evidence if you need maximum
points for English, take the test.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"coolteja" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    > Does everyone who has applied or will be applying in near future for
    > immigration to Canada, taken IELTS exam ?
    > I just need to know, if some people dont take IELTS examination , then
    > what could be the PROPER documentation that can be attached to attain
    > maximum points in English Fluency.
    > If any one can please help me estimate my approximate points, I shall be
    > very very thankful.
    > My English background :-
    > I have a Masters Degree from USA and BE from India. I have had more than
    > 17 years of education where medium of instruction was English.
    > I have a TOEFL score of 277/300 and a Successful completion of course
    > from British Education Division on"English conversation skills".
    > Thanks in advance.
    > - Teja
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Aug 26th 2003, 5:55 am
  #3  
Littleones
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Is the IELTS test required to be taken only by the principal applicant
or also by the spouse?
Rgds,
Littleones

"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<96K2b.57964$K44.31341@edtnps84>...
    > Nobody can even guess what your score in Language factor can be. Without
    > acceptable test results officer is forced to evaluate your proficiency based
    > on substitute evidence as per 200+ pages long Canadian Languages Benchmark
    > in each of 4 abilities - listening, reading, speaking and writing. What you
    > have told us so far doesn't describe at all your level of proficiency in
    > each of those abilities, thus it is impossible to tell you what your score
    > may be. TOEFL is not acceptable and I strongly suggest to take IELTS test as
    > such is the only objective and undisputable proof of English proficiency.
    > Don't take any risk of submitting substitute evidence if you need maximum
    > points for English, take the test.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "coolteja" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Does everyone who has applied or will be applying in near future for
    > > immigration to Canada, taken IELTS exam ?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I just need to know, if some people dont take IELTS examination , then
    > > what could be the PROPER documentation that can be attached to attain
    > > maximum points in English Fluency.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > If any one can please help me estimate my approximate points, I shall be
    > > very very thankful.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > My English background :-
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I have a Masters Degree from USA and BE from India. I have had more than
    > > 17 years of education where medium of instruction was English.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I have a TOEFL score of 277/300 and a Successful completion of course
    > > from British Education Division on"English conversation skills".
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > - Teja
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Aug 26th 2003, 10:11 am
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Default Re: English Proficiency

only the principal applicant

Damodar
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Old Aug 26th 2003, 5:07 pm
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Miller is in the habit of narrating again and again about these 200
pages visa officer has to refer(I know he will say that everything is
written in new law).It doesnt mean that Mr Teja has to write 200 pages
explanation for english proficiency.It is one of the options under
IRPA.Here is the case of Mr Teja who says that throughout medium of
instruction was english.So what is wrong if he provide documentary
evidence in place of IELTS.If visa officer is not satisfied with
documentary evidence then he will inform him in writing to write IELTS
exam by providing sufficient time.But his application wont be rejected
at first instance.

cdn


"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<96K2b.57964$K44.31341@edtnps84>...
    > Nobody can even guess what your score in Language factor can be. Without
    > acceptable test results officer is forced to evaluate your proficiency based
    > on substitute evidence as per 200+ pages long Canadian Languages Benchmark
    > in each of 4 abilities - listening, reading, speaking and writing. What you
    > have told us so far doesn't describe at all your level of proficiency in
    > each of those abilities, thus it is impossible to tell you what your score
    > may be. TOEFL is not acceptable and I strongly suggest to take IELTS test as
    > such is the only objective and undisputable proof of English proficiency.
    > Don't take any risk of submitting substitute evidence if you need maximum
    > points for English, take the test.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "coolteja" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Does everyone who has applied or will be applying in near future for
    > > immigration to Canada, taken IELTS exam ?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I just need to know, if some people dont take IELTS examination , then
    > > what could be the PROPER documentation that can be attached to attain
    > > maximum points in English Fluency.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > If any one can please help me estimate my approximate points, I shall be
    > > very very thankful.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > My English background :-
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I have a Masters Degree from USA and BE from India. I have had more than
    > > 17 years of education where medium of instruction was English.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I have a TOEFL score of 277/300 and a Successful completion of course
    > > from British Education Division on"English conversation skills".
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > - Teja
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Aug 26th 2003, 6:06 pm
  #6  
Andrew Miller
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Officer will only notify applicants if it is impossible to assess language
proficiency on the basis of submitted substitute evidence - read the
Immigration Manual OP6 section 10.10.

If officer determines that assessment can be done then it will be assessed
regardless how low score such assessment will bring. So, there may not be a
second chance regardless what you think - officer may for example determine
that evidence is sufficient to assess proficiency at moderate level, thus
only 8 points will be awarded. There is no appeal of such assessment.

What would you do then?

Can you guarantee that original poster will get 16 points on the basis of
substitute evidence? I don't think so...

But law guarantees 16 points if IELTS score is 7.0 or better in all 4
abilities.

So, what is sure proof and what is not?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"cdn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Miller is in the habit of narrating again and again about these 200
    > pages visa officer has to refer(I know he will say that everything is
    > written in new law).It doesnt mean that Mr Teja has to write 200 pages
    > explanation for english proficiency.It is one of the options under
    > IRPA.Here is the case of Mr Teja who says that throughout medium of
    > instruction was english.So what is wrong if he provide documentary
    > evidence in place of IELTS.If visa officer is not satisfied with
    > documentary evidence then he will inform him in writing to write IELTS
    > exam by providing sufficient time.But his application wont be rejected
    > at first instance.
    > cdn
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<96K2b.57964$K44.31341@edtnps84>...
    > > Nobody can even guess what your score in Language factor can be. Without
    > > acceptable test results officer is forced to evaluate your proficiency
based
    > > on substitute evidence as per 200+ pages long Canadian Languages
Benchmark
    > > in each of 4 abilities - listening, reading, speaking and writing. What
you
    > > have told us so far doesn't describe at all your level of proficiency in
    > > each of those abilities, thus it is impossible to tell you what your
score
    > > may be. TOEFL is not acceptable and I strongly suggest to take IELTS
test as
    > > such is the only objective and undisputable proof of English
proficiency.
    > > Don't take any risk of submitting substitute evidence if you need
maximum
    > > points for English, take the test.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "coolteja" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > Hi,
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Does everyone who has applied or will be applying in near future for
    > > > immigration to Canada, taken IELTS exam ?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I just need to know, if some people dont take IELTS examination , then
    > > > what could be the PROPER documentation that can be attached to attain
    > > > maximum points in English Fluency.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > If any one can please help me estimate my approximate points, I shall
be
    > > > very very thankful.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > My English background :-
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I have a Masters Degree from USA and BE from India. I have had more
than
    > > > 17 years of education where medium of instruction was English.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I have a TOEFL score of 277/300 and a Successful completion of course
    > > > from British Education Division on"English conversation skills".
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Thanks in advance.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > - Teja
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Aug 27th 2003, 2:15 am
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Mr Miller is only telling what he thinks is right, if anybody doesnt
agree to what he is saying then he can make his/her own decision
whether to take the test or not. Nobody is forcing anybody to do
anything. I think Mr Miller is a big help for all of us and I thank
him for all his assistance.
 

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