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Old Oct 1st 2014, 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by aliciamarsland
Sorry to sound stupid, but what's the difference between a RPN then a RN?
Registered Practical Nurse - or Licenced Practical Nurse is some provinces. It is pretty much like the old enrolled nurse system they used to have in the UK. The training is shorter and not degree based. Many RPNs work in nursing homes etc - generally they can look after the "stable" I'll, but the RN can look after and plan care for the unstable ill.
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I feel like it's a bit disheartening.

Like everyone, I have worked extremely hard to get where I am in my nursing career. I came straight out of uni, got a job at one of the best children's hospitals in the country (GOSH), after 3.5 years I obtained my band 6 post, I also covered for 3.months as a clinical nurse specialist for ENT, where I ran my own clinics. I nurse extremely poorly complex children, yet because I have a diploma I probably won't be able to nurse as a RN in Canada. It feels like I have to go back in my career.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, that is not the purpose, I just feel frustrated and a little upset.

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Originally Posted by aliciamarsland
I feel like it's a bit disheartening.

Like everyone, I have worked extremely hard to get where I am in my nursing career. I came straight out of uni, got a job at one of the best children's hospitals in the country (GOSH), after 3.5 years I obtained my band 6 post, I also covered for 3.months as a clinical nurse specialist for ENT, where I ran my own clinics. I nurse extremely poorly complex children, yet because I have a diploma I probably won't be able to nurse as a RN in Canada. It feels like I have to go back in my career.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, that is not the purpose, I just feel frustrated and a little upset.

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I think many people take a step back career wise when emigrating (not sure if this is just Canada - but in nursing, Australia seems to be different). I have 25 year of experience as a registered nurse, and was a specialist nurse, and I have a degree. I love Canada - but yes, I feel completely devalued as a nurse.
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You may well be able to work in other provinces without a degree
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Really, if hounding mind me asking, why do you? And is the nursing out there different. I think I am used to the nurse led wards.
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You don't *
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Old Oct 1st 2014, 9:57 am
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I feel totally devalued because I have been waiting over 2 years just to do assessments to see if I have equivalent competencies to a newly qualified canadian trained nurse. My training, my degree and my experience means nothing to them.

I am fortunate in that I have a good job, with good pay, but nowhere near the same duties as I had in the UK as a specialist nurse. I don't work in a hospital here, so I don't know how the hospitals work.
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I can completely see why you would. It's just such a shame. Surely we should be utilised for our skills and experience. It's not like England is a third world country.
Would you not consider a RPN?
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I can completely see why you would. It's just such a shame. Surely we should be utilised for our skills and experience. It's not like England is a third world country.
Would you not consider being a RPN?
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I applied for RPN when I realised how much they were going to mess me around with RN. I am still trying for RN- in my job it is not an issue whether I have RN or RPN but for me personally, I AM a registered nurse. It is a shame that while they mess around with the international RNs they are deskilling them by not making use if the excellent skills they have developed over their years of experience.
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Originally Posted by aliciamarsland
Sorry to sound stupid, but what's the difference between a RPN then a RN?
In some provinces RPN is known as Registered Psychiatric Nurse although 1 province RPN is known as Registered Practical Nurse which is the same as LPN Licensed Practical Nurse which is equivalent to the old Enrolled Nurse in the UK. They have their own scope of practice which does differ from province to province but if you do a search for LPN in Canada you should be able to see roles and differences
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each province is different I haven't worked as a RN in acute setting but in LTC setting I do so much that the 12 hour shift never stops although does slow down at times. I also get paid more than I would in the UK and I have been nursing since 1988 when I qualified as a Enrolled nurse and bridge to RN in 98. What I do hear though in NS LPNs do work on the wards but whether RN or LPN you have your x amount of patients and you d everything for them including all cares. Very few care assistance as employed in the acute setting so you have to do the work.
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It's the irony of nurses being on the FSW list...

On a more positive note, I think in some hospitals an RPN scope of practice is being extended so you might be able to undertake more roles than thought. I never completed my degree in UK, it was on my list of things to do so I intend to enrol in the online RPN to RN course here when I get my RPN through but I can see how for a degree trained nurse that is demoralising and insulting. I'm beginning to feel maybe I'm lucky to not have a degree for the CNO to try and cope with...

Other provinces are different though, so if you really want to come to Canada and not just Ontario then maybe look at BC....I think they were actively recruiting not long ago!
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I think whether youv have a degree or Diploma it's demoralizing to be honest. Especially if you are a extremely skilled nurse. I think it's a massive shame and a waste that they are not utilising the skills to their advantage. I personally are 3 modules away from completely degree but by the sounds of it, it doesn't matter either way. I'm not sure even my speciality is recognized as obviously I am only trained in paediatrics and not general.
Like you Cerri and probably others, it will be a shock to leave a job where I am valued and have huge responsibilities to become a nurse with what it seems with a lot less. I also really do not want to De-skill.

It's just all very disappointing.

I am half way through my application form, assuming when this has been sent, will they confirm what I will be qualified for out there? Or do they just say if I can nurse out there?

I have to stay in Hamilton Ontario as that is where I have the house to rent and where our close friends are. I did looks at difference provinces and potentially commuting but this is not an option, especially with a baby.
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Originally Posted by aliciamarsland
I am half way through my application form, assuming when this has been sent, will they confirm what I will be qualified for out there? Or do they just say if I can nurse out there?

I have to stay in Hamilton Ontario as that is where I have the house to rent and where our close friends are. I did looks at difference provinces and potentially commuting but this is not an option, especially with a baby.
Do you mean halfway through your FSW application? If so, CIC won't tell you anything about nursing in Canada, as they only deal with visas.

I didn't think you could work in ON as a diploma trained nurse? One of the ladies above will be able to tell you for sure, but I think you'd have to forget renting a house from your friend and go to a different province, unless you want a career change?

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