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Old Oct 8th 2016, 2:37 am
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Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver seem to use electronic entry machines, where the passport and the customs declaration are scanned in. The customs declaration which one fills out with an pen and then scans in requires the residential address in Canada.

Would this information be shared with the CRA, and would the address provided have to be the same address for your annual tax declaration? Would the address provided be shared with immigration and citizenship?

Just wondering, what information is shared, - what not? ( I know the question may be unusual, but again, it's just a question....)
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Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver seem to use electronic entry machines, where the passport and the customs declaration are scanned in. The customs declaration which one fills out with an pen and then scans in requires the residential address in Canada.

Would this information be shared with the CRA, and would the address provided have to be the same address for your annual tax declaration? Would the address provided be shared with immigration and citizenship?

Just wondering, what information is shared, - what not? ( I know the question may be unusual, but again, it's just a question....)
Both CRA and IRCC (CIC) could request access to the declaration card if either department was conducting an investigation. The completed cards are forwarded to Statistics Canada for statistical purposes.
Many years ago the Government decided it wasn't cricket to have CBSA pass on this information to the folks at Employment Insurance even though fraud was being committed by the person being out of the country and not available for work and still collecting EI benefits. Of course many taxpayers who contributes to EI premiums or taxes in general was not aware of this fraud.
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Both CRA and IRCC (CIC) could request access to the declaration card if either department was conducting an investigation. The completed cards are forwarded to Statistics Canada for statistical purposes.
Many years ago the Government decided it wasn't cricket to have CBSA pass on this information to the folks at Employment Insurance even though fraud was being committed by the person being out of the country and not available for work and still collecting EI benefits. Of course many taxpayers who contributes to EI premiums or taxes in general was not aware of this fraud.
Are Canadians or immigrants currently tracked when exiting the country?

That would mean, neither the CRA nor IRCC would have knowledge or is able to prove/say if a citizen or an immigrant is in or out of the country?

I am a bit surprised about that. For instance for Canadian citizens, in the case of EI fraud, or Old Age Security, this would be hard to prove for the authorities.

Same, if one is an immigrant and would have residency requirements to fulfill?
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Are Canadians or immigrants currently tracked when exiting the country?

That would mean, neither the CRA nor IRCC would have knowledge or is able to prove/say if a citizen or an immigrant is in or out of the country?

I am a bit surprised about that. For instance for Canadian citizens, in the case of EI fraud, or Old Age Security, this would be hard to prove for the authorities.

Same, if one is an immigrant and would have residency requirements to fulfill?
If entering the USA then the US authorities relay that data back to the Canadian authorities.
The Canadian government is considering a law that would allow it to collect information on people who are leaving the country. Canada is the only member of the five-nation security group (which includes the U.S., U.K., Australia and New Zealand) that does not already record this kind of information about its own citizens.
Canada plans new border exit controls

The onus is on the individual to prove they meet the residency obligation as opposed to the authorities unless they are wanting to rescind PR status or citizenship.
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The onus is on the individual to prove they meet the residency obligation as opposed to the authorities unless they are wanting to rescind PR status or citizenship.
I am not aware, that a Canadian citizen has any residency obligations? That's a bit new to me...unless the Charter of Rights and Freedoms would have been changed.

For a PR it might always be a bit of a grey area, if exits are not recorded. Thus the residency obligation can always be questioned, anytime, possibly even after citizenship was granted?
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I am not aware, that a Canadian citizen has any residency obligations? That's a bit new to me...unless the Charter of Rights and Freedoms would have been changed.

For a PR it might always be a bit of a grey area, if exits are not recorded. Thus the residency obligation can always be questioned, anytime, possibly even after citizenship was granted?
Canadian citizens don't have residency obligations from a Federal level but it does become pertinent if accessing Provincial healthcare plans as you can only be absent for so long to access them.
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If you've only ever been from Canada to the UK you can request your UK entry/exit records which are very detailed. If they match your CBSA entry records, unless you entered the country illegally or had multiple passports, it's difficult to imagine a scenario where you could have been somewhere else.

US travel history can be accessed easily online.

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Canadian citizens don't have residency obligations from a Federal level but it does become pertinent if accessing Provincial healthcare plans as you can only be absent for so long to access them.
Yeah, that's always been the case, for provincial healthcare one must be resident.
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What actually happens if the Canadian passport gets scanned at these kiosks? A brief or more comprehensive criminal background check? or just that it's a Canadian passport and the holder is a citizen and has the right to enter?
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Canadian citizens have the right to enter Canada but can still be examined on entry.

What is your concern?

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and naturalised citizens can have citizenship revoked if misrepresentation is discovered.

You can move, but you cannot hide How new global tax rules could erode your financial privacy | Financial Post
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Canadian citizens have the right to enter Canada but can still be examined on entry.

What is your concern?

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It's more curiosity, rather than concern.
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and naturalised citizens can have citizenship revoked if misrepresentation is discovered.
I am French as well as Canadian, since 2006 and no, I don't eat frogs all the time..... I don't want to appear too patriotic about France in a British forum, but I always felt that French citizenship was considerably "safer", and Canadian citizenship can always come under question, especially if it was obtained under naturalization and not birth or ancestry.

Even though the Canadian naturalization process is rather strict, authorities can apparently always question your eligibility for citizenship even years and decades after one has been naturalized? It often feels like authorities in Canada don't trust the process very much themselves or are uncertain about their own actions.

As an example from France: Revocation of French citizenship is very very difficult, even if a major crime has been committed after one became French, but apparently in Canada it has become very very easy. Much of that is based "if you didn't do anything wrong, nothing will happen", but at the same time this questions the citizenship authority in Canada about their own screening procedures, if they naturalize somebody who is apparently not eligible.....

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I am French as well as Canadian, since 2006 and no, I don't eat frogs all the time..... I don't want to appear too patriotic about France in a British forum, but I always felt that French citizenship was considerably "safer", and Canadian citizenship can always come under question, especially if it was obtained under naturalization and not birth or ancestry.

Even though the Canadian naturalization process is rather strict, authorities can apparently always question your eligibility for citizenship even years and decades after one has been naturalized? It often feels like authorities in Canada don't trust the process very much themselves or are uncertain about their own actions.

As an example from France: Revocation of French citizenship is very very difficult, even if a major crime has been committed after one became French, but apparently in Canada it has become very very easy. Much of that is based "if you didn't do anything wrong, nothing will happen", but at the same time this questions the citizenship authority in Canada about their own screening procedures, if they naturalize somebody who is apparently not eligible.....
Its not that easy to revoke citizenship in Canada unless it was obtained via misrepresentation. Once Canadian you can commit as many crimes as you want and it won't be revoked. that is not the same for Permanent Residents though. The last Govt did propose stripping dual citizens if they committed serious crimes against Canada or its citizens but that was quashed. sometimes it takes years to discover a citizen obtained citizenship by fraud/misrepresentation.
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Its not that easy to revoke citizenship in Canada unless it was obtained via misrepresentation. Once Canadian you can commit as many crimes as you want and it won't be revoked. that is not the same for Permanent Residents though. The last Govt did propose stripping dual citizens if they committed serious crimes against Canada or its citizens but that was quashed. sometimes it takes years to discover a citizen obtained citizenship by fraud/misrepresentation.
I don't plan to commit any crimes or treason, or something like that, but even if that was the case, I think it's only fair that citizenship can be revoked.

What bothers me, however is this article:
Case of Concordia student facing loss of citizenship has ‘compelling parallels’ to Monsef situation: lawyer | National Post

Same as in the Monsafe case, it's misrepresentation but not by fault or intent by the individual, I guess it's more down to their parents and the countries they came from.

In such a case, stripping somebody of ones citizenship is totally absurd. Many people, like myself were born in war-torn place, they could neither pick or choose their birthplace, but made themselves either alone or with their parents to safer countries, France, western Europe, Canada, etc...

So, if one was born in former Yugoslavia before the war, and his applications for Canada were all relating to Yugoslavia as a country, but now the place has a totally different name, like Bosnia, would that also be a case of misrepresentation?

Here is the article on Maryam Monsef:

Maryam Monsef could be stripped of her citizenship without a hearing after revealing she was born in Iran | National Post

What I also don't know, is if the Mosenf case is possibly also politically motivated?

I am personally a little bit worried, how "misrepresentation" is interpreted by Citizenship Canada these days and also the tone of language "without a hearing" worries me a lot. Isn't every Canadian granted a "fair trial" anymore? Things seem to have changed gravely in Canada, or am I the only one noticing this? Especially if you come from a war-torn place with a possible different border/name, or your parents made an error, etc.. or lack of exit records from the CBSA, which apparently the CBSA doesn't collect to date, it could easily, very easily imply that a lot more naturalized Canadians could be stripped, due to "misrepresentation".

I hope that my fears are unfounded. But what I definitely noticed is that the attitude towards naturalized Canadians has definitely changed, it was different in 2006 or 2007, than now.

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