EE & Open Work Permit together? Job Application
 

Some help please..

i have done my CRS score again and it has dropped below 400!

Seems that the question about family has changed from (family in Canada) aunt/uncles etc to 'sibling' - brother/sister in Canada, which i dont have.
Anyone know why it has changed? And can i still proceed with having 'aunt' in Canada presumably?

i am single and over 45 so don't get any points for age or Canadian work experience , so still struggling with points even if add 'aunt' as family member

i have IELTS overall score 8; clear police check; WES credentialisation of my 4 year psychology degree (all confirmed October 2018)

I have just applied for a few jobs in Canada and have said that i am intending to emigrate via EE route. Is this a good idea?

I am wonder if applying for an Open Work Permit (OWP) as well would help increase my score and better chances of emigrating this year??

my children are adults so no dependents and they don't want to join me
I am a supply teacher in UK so could leave UK any time I want to for Canada

The jobs that i am applying for currently are Human Resources & Development focused and there seems to be a ton of vacancies for some reason! I don’t want to apply for managerial positions either, so there are even more opportunities available (HR Coordinator; HR Advisor; Program Asst; Development Coordinator).

I don’t have as much funds as I anticipated either, $13k, as still paying off some debts, majority of which are business debts from being self employed!
But if I get a job, CIC will disregard funds element of application…

So my thinking is that if I got an OWP to place myself in a better position to get a job, could I continue with an EE application whilst in Canada?
Or would I have to come back to UK, for biometrics for instance?

I think i would be eligible to apply for OWP if i apply for EE?

How are Canadian job interviews generally conducted with long distance interviewees? I am applying with a Cover letter, Resume & CV

Any tips on applying for Canadian jobs or being successful with Canadian interviews would be much appreciated
I am willing to do whatever it takes to make this happen this year!

Any suggestions?
Would be gratefully appreciated!

Re: EE & Open Work Permit together? Job Application
 

Under what circumstances do you qualify for an open work permit though. They are normally only available to spouses/partners or people who qualify under a separate stream i.e. IEC, ICT, TFW etc.

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Points have never been given for having an aunt/uncle in Canada on the CRS - even siblings were only added fairly recently, before that no points were given for any relatives at all. Perhaps you're thinking of the FSW points? You can get points for an aunt/uncle living in Canada on that point scoring system, but of course that doesn't help you with your CRS score. Your score will have dropped with each birthday, unfortunately you lose points as you get older, so that may explain the change.

And as above, how do you think you qualify for an OWP? I can't see any way you would from what you've said?

For job hunting, have another read of the Job Hunting section of the Wiki. Essentially, you need to get out there and job hunt in person - just applying via the web isn't likely to result in anything, unless you have very specialist skills.

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Thanks for responses

yes i meant FSW for aunt/uncle

i read that if i applied via EE, it would make me eligble for OWP application (cant find the link right now!)?

happy to go out and Job Hunt. Do i not need work permit to do that? (and that's why i was thinking of OWP)

How would it work if i did get a job?
would i then have to apply under EE for PR from Canada?

yes will read Job Hunting wiki (Job hunting was not originally my intention, but.......)

Re: EE & Open Work Permit together? Job Application
 

No, afraid not. OWP's are only for those in specific circumstances i.e. spouses of those on work permits or study permits, company transfers, etc. You can't get one just by applying for PR.

Nope. You can job hunt and accept a job in Canada as a visitor. You just can't actually work without a work permit. So you'd go over there and hopefully convince an employer that you are worth the cost and time of a LMIA app, then you'd return to the UK whilst the LMIA is applied for and processed. Once the employer has the LMIA, you then go back out, get your TWP at the airport (assuming you're a UK citizen), and start working.

No, you can apply from the UK before you go. As long as you've got the LMIA and a written job offer, that will count for points purposes.

But exactly what are you scoring on the CRS now? You've said it's below 400, so will a job offer give you enough to apply for PR anyway? It would only give you 50 points unless you're in one of the few occupations that qualify for 200 points from a job offer/LMIA? So you may find you can't apply for PR until you've been working in Canada for a year on a TWP anyway, if you're not scoring at least 440 as a minimum with the job offer.

So double check your points score, don't guess this time or give yourself points for anything you're not sure of. And do bear in mind your points will drop with every birthday unfortunately, so you need to get cracking before you lose anymore!

Good luck.

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Thanks Christmasoompa!

i am now scoring 328!!!
i had 364 before and i added 50 points for aunt/uncle = 414?


i have had another birthday over Xmas hols!!


things have changed for me as i was originally going to go across as self employed until the very long time scale put me off! the scoring points req is lower (minimum 35 points out of 100. I was scoring in the 60's)


using CRS, my language test results are not far off what i had guessed prior to taking them - just the CRS reading at '7.0 - 7.5' score is less than anticipated

BTW, for EE, do i put IELTS test results or CLB level? According to this link, How do I find my Canadian Language Benchmark (CLB) level with my test results? CIC says to put CLB?

with job offer, that would make my score 378!

Do i get more points according to the LENGTH of Canadian experience i have? (if i had a job)

Re: EE & Open Work Permit together? Job Application
 

If you were originally interested in self employment have you considered the "Start Up" route? You can get an open work permit whilst your application is being processed. You can read more here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...tart-visa.html
:)

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OK, I think you need to slow down a bit and do your points properly. I don't know why you're adding 50 points for an aunt/uncle, as explained you don't get any points for them on the CRS (you do on the FSW scoring system, but only 5 points). If your points are jumping all over the place, it sounds like you're not using the official scoring system, so forget any other websites you've looked at.

Firstly, are you scoring 67 points or more on this system (which will include the 5 for having a relative in Canada as above) - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...#adaptability? If you are scoring 67 or more, then you can move on and check your CRS score using this tool - Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) tool: skilled immigrants (Express Entry)

If you're not scoring 67 or more, then you're not eligible to even enter the EE pool at the moment anyway, so your CRS score isn't relevant. So work out both of the above, and let us know what you get. You'll need to be scoring at least 400 for a job offer to make a difference, if not you'll need to look at other visa routes, including going over to Canada on a Temp Work Permit and then applying further down the line when you do score enough (hopefully).

As above, check out the Start Up Visa. Although will you definitely have enough to set up your own business out there and qualify for a visa? You mention debts above, so you'll need to make sure you can afford to do so.

Depends on the test you use. Just put in whatever it asks you for to get your point score.

Yes. You'll get points for up to 5 years Canadian work experience. You can see the breakdown of the CRS points here to give you an idea of how you can increase your points (note NO aunt/uncle :lol) - https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...stem/grid.html

Work out your points and then hopefully we can help you figure out your next step.

Good luck.

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thanks Siouxie & Christmasoompa

my score for Adaptability is 65! (age against me and single!)
i hadnt used that tool before!
but i note the score can be improved with job offer

448 CRS points with 1 year Canadian work experience (additional 50 points if have arranged job). Higher score with 2 years+ Canadian work exp.

the Start up visa wouldnt work for me as would require Venture capitalists to agree to fund business $200k before i could apply

seems that I'm back to getting a Temp work Perm for job, which i dont mind doing if that is the only option left available to me (with losing points for my age)?

As well as getting a job i also intend to do some self employment work, initially starting with an online business. Not sure if i would get any points for that but i guess i would be relying on the day job to give me the extra points....

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Thanks for tool
Honestly would prefer to gain points without needing to refer to aunt :-)

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But you can't get a Temporary Work Permit without a potential employer going through the long and expensive process of applying for an LMIA. If you were able to secure a job offer and receive a positive LMIA outcome then you would be tied to a specific employer for the duration of the work permit - or until you were able to obtain Permanent Residency.. and as such, you wouldn't be able to work as self employed.


The Start Up Visa might still be an option for you.. it's not just Venture Capitalists, there's also Business Incubators and Angel Investors. Perhaps have a good read What is the minimum investment that I need to apply through the Start-up Visa Program?
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...designated-org


:)

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Will you score enough without though? That might mean the difference between you being eligible to apply as a FSW, or not being eligible to apply..............

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Ok i wondered if i needed LMIA to be self employed as well? Does that include having an online business, where potentially customers are international rather than just Canadians?
It is something that i could do in my own spare time without affecting the job; would give me an extra element of flexibility if necessary and (eventually) extra income
If an LMIA is required for that separately, not sure it would apply if my income goes to UK, i.e. the funds are not going into the Canadian market place. I think this is the distinction from what i remember from speaking to someone in the Canadian High Commission some years ago

Just thinking of different scenarios to make my presence in Canada legit and workable..

Would stick with the employer throughout that time - wouldn't be a problem for me giving back..
there are things that i could do as self employed without having to leave my employment.

Thanks for link for Start Up Visa.
Will look at it again to see if it would be feasible & criteria

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Oh, would I still need to have support from aunt with Canadian work experience?

For clarification, the Canadian work exp would give me the needed extra 2+ points to enter the pool?
And my aunt would give me extra 5 points in addition to CRS 448 score for selection to exit pool?

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And if i am eligible to apply for start up Visa, i could get in the pool straightaway with 'Letter of Support'?