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Old Jun 24th 2009, 1:49 am
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Hi All,

One of my friends is a doctor. He has professional experience as a 'Cardiologist' and a 'General Physician' as well. Currently, he is working as a 'Senior Registrar' at the Department of Cardiology at a renowned Hospital.

I checked on CIC canada website for his assessment and it shows only category 'Physicians' for doctors. I have a question, if this guy applys for immigration then what would be the criteria of CIC to evaluate him as a physician.

Also please advise that what is the max. age of an applicant to apply for immigration.

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Physician = Doctor.


Advise him to be very carefull to make sure his medical qualification will be recognised in canada without a long, drawn out and expensive retraining/ qualification period. Places for recertification of foreign doctors are VERY hard to find, extremely limited.
CICs assesment of his skills is the least of his worries, its the assesment of the provincial medical boards that will determine if he can actually work in Canada as a doctor or not, and thats the rock that many dreams founder upon.

There is no max age, but the number of points awarded decreases with age.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigra...factor-age.asp

They should try the self assesment...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigra...tool/index.asp

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Originally Posted by intellect20
Hi All,

One of my friends is a doctor. He has professional experience as a 'Cardiologist' and a 'General Physician' as well. Currently, he is working as a 'Senior Registrar' at the Department of Cardiology at a renowned Hospital.

I checked on CIC canada website for his assessment and it shows only category 'Physicians' for doctors. I have a question, if this guy applys for immigration then what would be the criteria of CIC to evaluate him as a physician.

Also please advise that what is the max. age of an applicant to apply for immigration.

Thanks.
As Iaink says there is a process to go through to have his credentials recognised in Canada (which never ceases to amaze me since the human body is obviously the same here as elsewhere) however there is a genuine shortage of physicians in Canada, especially highly experienced ones so I do not believe this will be an insurmountable obstacle.

As far as immigration goes her would likely fall under "Specialist Physicians (NOC Code 3111)" which is one of the eligible occupations for the Skilled Worker program. If he is over 50 he would start to lose points for the Age factor but generally a cardiologist would have sufficient education points to compensate and still meet the pass mark of 67.
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As Iaink says there is a process to go through to have his credentials recognised in Canada (which never ceases to amaze me since the human body is obviously the same here as elsewhere) however there is a genuine shortage of physicians in Canada, especially highly experienced ones so I do not believe this will be an insurmountable obstacle.

As far as immigration goes her would likely fall under "Specialist Physicians (NOC Code 3111)" which is one of the eligible occupations for the Skilled Worker program. If he is over 50 he would start to lose points for the Age factor but generally a cardiologist would have sufficient education points to compensate and still meet the pass mark of 67.
One aside that chances are that if he gets a visa, that getting an internship will be a pretty long shot, which he will require to practice.
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Where in Canada do they want to move to? If BC then HealthMatch is a great starting point:

http://www.healthmatchbc.org/

If they find a position in an underserviced area of need in the province (see vacancies on the HealthMatch website) then an LMO can be obtained and then a temporary work permit, which can secure provisional licensure with us at the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC. They would be sponsored by the health authority with the vacancy and have a supervisor, but can practice independently.

https://www.cpsbc.ca/

If all goes well PR can be applied for further down the road. There are plenty of doctors in BC who are IMGs and have gone down this route. It will depend on where they obtained their medical degree and postgraduate training though - they will need to do plenty of research! If their degree and training do not meet requirements then further training would be required.

PCRC verify qualifications:

http://www.pcrc.org/en/

Good luck!

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SO you suggest that he should first apply for job and recognition and then after settling there apply for PR. Ok, what if he applys directly for PR, will he have to first get his qualification verified by PCRC or he can directly apply for PR application?
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Where in Canada do they want to move to? If BC then HealthMatch is a great starting point:

http://www.healthmatchbc.org/

If they find a position in an underserviced area of need in the province (see vacancies on the HealthMatch website) then an LMO can be obtained and then a temporary work permit, which can secure provisional licensure with us at the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC. They would be sponsored by the health authority with the vacancy and have a supervisor, but can practice independently.

https://www.cpsbc.ca/

If all goes well PR can be applied for further down the road. There are plenty of doctors in BC who are IMGs and have gone down this route. It will depend on where they obtained their medical degree and postgraduate training though - they will need to do plenty of research! If their degree and training do not meet requirements then further training would be required.

PCRC verify qualifications:

http://www.pcrc.org/en/

Good luck!
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This is probably not too important to this thread but the case of medical practitioners is and should be exceptional. Canada is right in being so strict about the recognition process. One is never too prudent about this: my GP , who trained in france from a well known university, was close to killing me when I was 15. I had a situation that necessitated surgical emergency and he prescribed me pills instead. After a week he referred me to a surgeon who narrowly saved my life, I was rushed to a private clinic for surgery. I have always wondered how this ex GP of mine passed his exams and yet he did. I still think about this quite often, I didn't study medicine but when I did my undergrad I was fortunate to do a module in biopsychology and I was shocked to learn that the technical knowledge that my GP lacked was actually elementary stuff that was covered in my syllabus.

Validating the training of physicans is a highly complex area-- it is important to catch the odd physician whose training and professional development might be questionable. And this must be done systematically.

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As Iaink says there is a process to go through to have his credentials recognised in Canada (which never ceases to amaze me since the human body is obviously the same here as elsewhere) however there is a genuine shortage of physicians in Canada, especially highly experienced ones so I do not believe this will be an insurmountable obstacle.

As far as immigration goes her would likely fall under "Specialist Physicians (NOC Code 3111)" which is one of the eligible occupations for the Skilled Worker program. If he is over 50 he would start to lose points for the Age factor but generally a cardiologist would have sufficient education points to compensate and still meet the pass mark of 67.
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SO you suggest that he should first apply for job and recognition and then after settling there apply for PR. Ok, what if he applys directly for PR, will he have to first get his qualification verified by PCRC or he can directly apply for PR application?
I don't know I'm afraid, I only know from the point of view of getting licensed in BC by the College. The job offer - LMO - TWP route to come and work in an underserviced area of need in the province is the way many foreign trained physicians have come in but I don't know in terms of applying directly for PR at the outset without a job offer, sorry.
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Hi All,

Anybody else could comment on this i.e., a doctor applying directly for PR at the outset without a job offer and if recognition is required before hand.


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I don't know I'm afraid, I only know from the point of view of getting licensed in BC by the College. The job offer - LMO - TWP route to come and work in an underserviced area of need in the province is the way many foreign trained physicians have come in but I don't know in terms of applying directly for PR at the outset without a job offer, sorry.
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As far as I know applying for a job / LMO etc would be utterly pointless. He cant be employed until he is licensed to practice in a Canadian province, and with very few exceptions he cant be licensed until he has done a supervised internship here at the very least, and internship places as stated earlier are extremely hard to find as they are dished out to newly qualified canadian trained physicians first. Its extremely frustrating to say this as I live in an area that is underserved and crying out for doctors, but thats the way it is here.

CIC will accept his academic qualifications and work experience and he will qualify for PR, but once he gets here he will most likely be unable to practice medicine without a lengthy and expensive requalification and assessment period, which has few places and many applicants, and will end up yet another overqualified Pizza Delivery guy. If he just wants to come to canada, then great, but if he want to practice medicine once in Canada, then not so great.

He REALLY needs to check out all the requirements on the candian medical association websites that links have been posted to in the past when coming to canada as a doctor has been raised here.

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Originally Posted by iaink
As far as I know applying for a job / LMO etc would be utterly pointless. He cant be employed until he is licensed to practice in a Canadian province, and with very few exceptions he cant be licensed until he has done a supervised internship here at the very least, and internship places as stated earlier are extremely hard to find as they are dished out to newly qualified canadian trained physicians first. Its extremely frustrating to say this as I live in an area that is underserved and crying out for doctors, but thats the way it is here.

CIC will accept his academic qualifications and work experience and he will qualify for PR, but once he gets here he will most likely be unable to practice medicine without a lengthy and expensive requalification and assessment period, which has few places and many applicants, and will end up yet another overqualified Pizza Delivery guy. If he just wants to come to canada, then great, but if he want to practice medicine once in Canada, then not so great.

He REALLY needs to check out all the requirements on the candian medical association websites that links have been posted to in the past when coming to canada as a doctor has been raised here.


Hi guys

I am currently an english doctor at the SHO level who trainned and qualified in the UK who has just emmigrated to canada to live in BC. I understand the system and will be applying to round two of the CaRMS for residency - i have sat the canadian exams required. Does anybody know about the competiveness for 2nd iteration of the CaRMS? Are there any english IMGS now practing independantly in BC who have gone through this route?

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Whilst the above is LARGELY true, in Alberta at least, there are ways 'in'. I recently came into contact with a GP who has 'helped' several Physicians from overseas gain recognition and 'posts' either as 'registrars' or Family Practioners.
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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
Whilst the above is LARGELY true, in Alberta at least, there are ways 'in'. I recently came into contact with a GP who has 'helped' several Physicians from overseas gain recognition and 'posts' either as 'registrars' or Family Practioners.
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Thanks for the above. Do you have contact details??
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Whilst the above is LARGELY true, in Alberta at least, there are ways 'in'. I recently came into contact with a GP who has 'helped' several Physicians from overseas gain recognition and 'posts' either as 'registrars' or Family Practioners.
How do they get around the licensing requirements?
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How do they get around the licensing requirements?
Lets just say there is a degree of 'flexibility' on both sides

Seriously, in short form, the Dr is recruited to an area of HIGH need, they agree to be supervised by a 'qualified' Dr (often another Dr who has gone through the same process and has now jumped through the necessary hoops) and then they must sit the necessary exams. It IS (apparently) possible to undertake the same process in Calgary (I suspect that the practice Steve_P (and actually myself) is registered with is looking at 'using' foreign Drs in their 'new initiative') its just less common. The majority of Drs that enter the (southern) Alberta system this way appear to be from South Africa
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