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Do not travel back to Canada without PR card

Old Apr 23rd 2009, 8:06 am
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Here is a reply back from CIC, it should clarify the situation.


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Good morning, I landed at Toronto airport on 26/03/09, for two weeks, but was not able to wait for PR card to arrive at sisters address. I would be grateful if you let me know whether I can return to Canada with a return ticket and then pick up my PR card, or do I need a travel document. Air Canada's policy states that UK residents do not need a PR card if they have a return ticket, but immigration officer stated it would cause a problem.

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Dear Madam / Sir,
This is in response to your enquiry.
If you are a permanent resident of Canada, who meets the residency obligations, and currently outside Canada but are not in possession of a valid Permanent Resident Card you must apply for a Travel Document (Permanent Resident Abroad) before returning to Canada.
If you are submitting an application to our office in London, please visit the following website for office-specific instructions: http://www.unitedkingdom.gc.ca/visas...voyage-eng.asp

The application form and instruction guide for a Travel Document (to re-enter Canada from abroad) can also be downloaded from the CIC Web site: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...ons/travel.asp
Upon receipt of an application for a Travel Document, a visa officer will determine whether or not you meet the Canadian residency obligations required to maintain your status as a permanent resident. If you meet the obligations, you will be issued a Travel Document that will allow you to re-enter Canada from abroad.

Information on Residency Obligations is available at: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/about-pr.asp
Applicants should normally apply for this Travel Document no more than 60 days prior to the intended travel date. If your intended date of travel is less than 60 days away, please make sure to include copies of the airline tickets to be used.

Yours sincerely,

Client Service Unit

Immigration and Medical Services Division
High Commission of Canada
38 Grosvenor Street
London W1K 4AA, United Kingdom

Government of Canada

Web site: www.unitedkingdom.gc.ca

Email: http://www.unitedkingdom.gc.ca/visas...tactez-eng.asp
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Old Apr 23rd 2009, 8:13 am
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Thats the official line and always has been, What really happens depends on your risk tollerance. Hundreds of thousands of brits travel to canada on just a UK passport all the time...of course the vast majority are on RETURN tickets, so maybe thats the trick

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Old Apr 23rd 2009, 8:15 am
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What happens if you turn up at Toronto airport in the 'assumed' role of a UK tourist ?

Does the passport scanning machine automatically match the UK Passport number to a PR number and therefore flag you as a PR Resident ?

Curious.
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If you turn up with a return ticket and state that you are a tourist, when in fact you are a Permanent Resident, the you have declared a false statement to the immigration officer, and what happens next, is anybody's guess. But you can obtain a travel permit for $50, and it is a same day service, if all your docs are in order.

As far as Air Canada is concerned, they're an airline and have no jurisdiction over Canada's Border Agency (immigration).
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Originally Posted by Cyan
What happens if you turn up at Toronto airport in the 'assumed' role of a UK tourist ?

Does the passport scanning machine automatically match the UK Passport number to a PR number and therefore flag you as a PR Resident ?

Curious.
If you have landed you will (should anyway) have the large proof of landing form stapled in your passport, and CIC have the resources (ie database) to cross check that you do indeed have valid PR status if they need to. They might give you a hard time about not having the pR card if its just a question of a long term resident who hasnt bothered to get one, but if they never sent it in time its hardly your fault. Many people land and then return to sort out there affairs soon after...Easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission, especially if you dont fancy spending a day getting to and from CHC London to get a travel document.

The OP is quite correct...that is the offical line, but it doesnt take into account UK passport visa waiver status.

The PR card was introduced as a more secure document than the paper form as it was not possible for airlines to tell who had genuine status in canada and who didnt, and it was easy to forge. The airlines are the ones who end up paying to take refused passengers back from whence they came, and its airline personel who will potentially give a returning PR without a PR card the most grief...but of course they also know that a UK passport is good for admission as a visitor, so they are unlikeky to refuse you entry to the plane...however all bets are off if you have a one way ticket.
Once you are at immigration in Canada, as long as you ARE a PR there is no need to be coy about it, CIC can check the facts, so you are not making false statements to anyone.

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There is extensive discussion at:
http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Perman...nt_Card-Canada
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Originally Posted by Paratrooper
.........but was not able to wait for PR card to arrive at sisters address.
Just out of curiosity cant you get someone (a friend or family) to post the PR card over to Britain when you are unable to wait in Canada or is that something illegal. I know its illegal for some passports to be sent by post but not sure if the same applies to PR cards as well?
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Default Re: Do not travel back to Canada without PR card

Originally Posted by Edo
Just out of curiosity cant you get someone (a friend or family) to post the PR card over to Britain when you are unable to wait in Canada or is that something illegal. I know its illegal for some passports to be sent by post but not sure if the same applies to PR cards as well?
You can do it, but I would not trust Canada Post with it...pony up the $20-30for FedEx delivery if you go that way.

If its illegal how come you can send off for your passport to be delivered....I suspect thats just some myth.
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