Do I need to pay tax on income while working abroad
Jan 13th 2004, 5:35 am
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Re: Do I need to pay tax on income while working abroad
Again - you cannot make such general statement. For many Canadian citizens
going abroad for temporary work severing residential ties completely will
not be an easy task, and for some it will be an impossible task. But for
those who immigrated here and used Canada as a stepping stone to US and
never intended to live permanently here, thus never really established any
solid ties to Canada while waiting for their citizenship the task may be
somehow easier.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"SinghPro" <member17347@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andrew,
> Those links are great.
> To me that seems as a very straight forward and easy process to do. Its
> pretty black and white with some discretion.
> I am written all this, just to say that it ISN't a "not so easy"
> process. There is procedures and requirements like with everything with
> governement. Its like saying getting a Drivers LIcence is hard, where
> its a system and thats all it is.
> I appreciate your effort on this one and I hope you would not consider
> this a hard thing to do for people.
> good day
> Originally posted by Andrew Miller
> > It is again here:
> >
> > http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonre...iduals/nonres-
> > e.html"]http://www.ccra-
> > adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonresidents/individuals/nonres-e.html[/url]
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > You're a non-resident for tax purposes if you:
> >
> > normally, customarily, or routinely live in another country and aren't
> > considered a resident of Canada;
> >
> > or
> >
> > don't have residential ties in Canada; and
> >
> > - you live outside Canada throughout the tax year; or
> >
> > - you stay in Canada for less than 183 days in the tax year.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > What are residential ties is stated here:
> >
> > http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonre...iduals/nonres-
> > e.html#d"]http://www.ccra-
> > adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonresidents/individuals/nonres-e.html#d[/url]
> >
> > It says as follows:
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Residential ties include:
> >
> > - a home in Canada
> >
> > - a spouse or common-law partner (see the definition in the General
> > Income
> > Tax and Benefit Guide) and dependants in Canada
> >
> > - personal property in Canada, such as a car or furniture
> >
> > - social ties in Canada.
> >
> > Other ties that may be relevant include:
> >
> > - a Canadian driver's licence
> > - a Canadian bank account or credit cards
> > - health insurance with a Canadian province or territory.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Also read here about determination of residency process as well
> > as how to
> > acquire non-resident status for tax purposes:
> >
> > http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/...solid/it221r3-
> > consolid-e.html"]http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it221r3-
> > consolid/it221r3-consolid-e.html[/url]
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "SinghPro" <member17347@british_expats.com> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]"]news:1168316.1074013-
> > [email protected][/url]...
> > > There you go again !!!
> > > Show me ONE line in those CCRA pages which says there is a
> > > judgement based on "multiple factors" and namely the factors
> > you
> > > are talking about.
> > > Ofcouse if you ahve family and kids in the transition time, its
> > very
> > > clear, but DOES the orignal thread that say that ?? :|
> > > Go back, read the top of the thread and tell me what you
> > read
> > > there to scare that guy to believe its hard to be a non-
> > resident
> > > for tax purposes.
> > > You of course disagree with me because you have no facts to
> > agree with
> > > me.
> > > If you think I am dreaming about the facts, go out and buy the
> > Income
> > > Tax Journal 2002 from Statistics Canada, it will cost you 19$
> > and will
> > > get you a little bit of reality based on facts and not that
> > people use
> > > their Canadian credits cards.
> > > Originally posted by S B
> > > > SinghPro wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > S B,
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your point in the last posting ?
> > > >
> > > > The point of my last posting was that what you wrote was
> > incorrect.
> > > > That Canadian tax residence is based on "Facts of Residence",
> > not
> > > > "Physical Residence" which is normally taken to be physical
> > presence
> > > > like the requirements for citizenship and for retaining
> > PR.
> > > >
> > > > > You are confirming what I had just said.
> > > >
> > > > No, I am NOT confirming what you had said. I'm saying you
> > have been
> > > > wrong twice in significant ways.
> > > >
> > > > > I had initially responded to this thread because Andrew
> > seemed
> > > > to say
> > > > > its "not easy" to declare yourself a non-resident for
> > tax
> > > > purposes.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew is correct. There are any number of things that
> > CCRA
> > > > can use to
> > > > decide that you are a Factual Resident, or a Deemed Factual
> > Resident.
> > > >
> > > > > Both of you are doing a good job at what you are sayng, but
> > I
> > > > dont hear
> > > > > about facts, I rather hear a lot of opinion. How would
> > you
> > > > explain to
> > > > > everyone why only 3% of physically non-residents people
> > are
> > > > subject to
> > > > > canadian taxes ??
> > > >
> > > > Actually, you ARE hearing facts which can be corroborated by
> > visiting
> > > > the CCRA web site. Consider too that the determination for
> > factual
> > > > residence or deemed factual resident is not a simple
> > "yes/no"
> > > > determination based on individual facts, but rather a
> > objective
> > > > determination based on a number of facts.
> > > >
> > > > > We all know is not a very clearly defined process of
> > factual
> > > > residence
> > > > > in Canada. But I also think that is 97% of people dont pay
> > taxes
> > > > when
> > > > > they dont live in Canada, its VERY wrong to call it a
> > hard
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > You *think* that it is 97% of people don't pay taxes.
> > Considering you
> > > > can't even apply the 183 day rule correctly, and you accuse us
> > of not
> > > > providing facts!
> > > >
> > > > > The orignal post of the thread lives and work abroad, Did he
> > say
> > > > he had
> > > > > his spouse, a home, etc etc in Canada ??? Majority of
> > people
> > > > dont have
> > > > > those ties when they live abroad, most certainly very
> > few
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, many people do ... but when they learn how to
> > effectively
> > > > sever ties while keeping a home in Canada etc. it makes
> > sense.
> > > >
> > > > > Something being difficult if a RELATIVE thing, I strongly
> > think
> > > > that if
> > > > > 97% can do , it is relatively straight forward.
> > > >
> > > > It *can* be relatively straight forward ... but that's usually
> > not the
> > > > case ... for example, many people move from Canada to
> > work,
> > > > leaving the
> > > > spouse and kids behind for a couple months to complete
> > the
> > > > school year.
> > > > Do you realize how much complication that adds?
> > > >
> > > > > Its better to talk in facts than in thin-air
> > opinions....
> > > >
> > > You're the one quoting incorrect facts and thin air
> > opinions.
> > > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
> com[/url]
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
going abroad for temporary work severing residential ties completely will
not be an easy task, and for some it will be an impossible task. But for
those who immigrated here and used Canada as a stepping stone to US and
never intended to live permanently here, thus never really established any
solid ties to Canada while waiting for their citizenship the task may be
somehow easier.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"SinghPro" <member17347@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andrew,
> Those links are great.
> To me that seems as a very straight forward and easy process to do. Its
> pretty black and white with some discretion.
> I am written all this, just to say that it ISN't a "not so easy"
> process. There is procedures and requirements like with everything with
> governement. Its like saying getting a Drivers LIcence is hard, where
> its a system and thats all it is.
> I appreciate your effort on this one and I hope you would not consider
> this a hard thing to do for people.
> good day
> Originally posted by Andrew Miller
> > It is again here:
> >
> > http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonre...iduals/nonres-
> > e.html"]http://www.ccra-
> > adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonresidents/individuals/nonres-e.html[/url]
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > You're a non-resident for tax purposes if you:
> >
> > normally, customarily, or routinely live in another country and aren't
> > considered a resident of Canada;
> >
> > or
> >
> > don't have residential ties in Canada; and
> >
> > - you live outside Canada throughout the tax year; or
> >
> > - you stay in Canada for less than 183 days in the tax year.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > What are residential ties is stated here:
> >
> > http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonre...iduals/nonres-
> > e.html#d"]http://www.ccra-
> > adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonresidents/individuals/nonres-e.html#d[/url]
> >
> > It says as follows:
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Residential ties include:
> >
> > - a home in Canada
> >
> > - a spouse or common-law partner (see the definition in the General
> > Income
> > Tax and Benefit Guide) and dependants in Canada
> >
> > - personal property in Canada, such as a car or furniture
> >
> > - social ties in Canada.
> >
> > Other ties that may be relevant include:
> >
> > - a Canadian driver's licence
> > - a Canadian bank account or credit cards
> > - health insurance with a Canadian province or territory.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Also read here about determination of residency process as well
> > as how to
> > acquire non-resident status for tax purposes:
> >
> > http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/...solid/it221r3-
> > consolid-e.html"]http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it221r3-
> > consolid/it221r3-consolid-e.html[/url]
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "SinghPro" <member17347@british_expats.com> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]"]news:1168316.1074013-
> > [email protected][/url]...
> > > There you go again !!!
> > > Show me ONE line in those CCRA pages which says there is a
> > > judgement based on "multiple factors" and namely the factors
> > you
> > > are talking about.
> > > Ofcouse if you ahve family and kids in the transition time, its
> > very
> > > clear, but DOES the orignal thread that say that ?? :|
> > > Go back, read the top of the thread and tell me what you
> > read
> > > there to scare that guy to believe its hard to be a non-
> > resident
> > > for tax purposes.
> > > You of course disagree with me because you have no facts to
> > agree with
> > > me.
> > > If you think I am dreaming about the facts, go out and buy the
> > Income
> > > Tax Journal 2002 from Statistics Canada, it will cost you 19$
> > and will
> > > get you a little bit of reality based on facts and not that
> > people use
> > > their Canadian credits cards.
> > > Originally posted by S B
> > > > SinghPro wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > S B,
> > > > >
> > > > > What is your point in the last posting ?
> > > >
> > > > The point of my last posting was that what you wrote was
> > incorrect.
> > > > That Canadian tax residence is based on "Facts of Residence",
> > not
> > > > "Physical Residence" which is normally taken to be physical
> > presence
> > > > like the requirements for citizenship and for retaining
> > PR.
> > > >
> > > > > You are confirming what I had just said.
> > > >
> > > > No, I am NOT confirming what you had said. I'm saying you
> > have been
> > > > wrong twice in significant ways.
> > > >
> > > > > I had initially responded to this thread because Andrew
> > seemed
> > > > to say
> > > > > its "not easy" to declare yourself a non-resident for
> > tax
> > > > purposes.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew is correct. There are any number of things that
> > CCRA
> > > > can use to
> > > > decide that you are a Factual Resident, or a Deemed Factual
> > Resident.
> > > >
> > > > > Both of you are doing a good job at what you are sayng, but
> > I
> > > > dont hear
> > > > > about facts, I rather hear a lot of opinion. How would
> > you
> > > > explain to
> > > > > everyone why only 3% of physically non-residents people
> > are
> > > > subject to
> > > > > canadian taxes ??
> > > >
> > > > Actually, you ARE hearing facts which can be corroborated by
> > visiting
> > > > the CCRA web site. Consider too that the determination for
> > factual
> > > > residence or deemed factual resident is not a simple
> > "yes/no"
> > > > determination based on individual facts, but rather a
> > objective
> > > > determination based on a number of facts.
> > > >
> > > > > We all know is not a very clearly defined process of
> > factual
> > > > residence
> > > > > in Canada. But I also think that is 97% of people dont pay
> > taxes
> > > > when
> > > > > they dont live in Canada, its VERY wrong to call it a
> > hard
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > You *think* that it is 97% of people don't pay taxes.
> > Considering you
> > > > can't even apply the 183 day rule correctly, and you accuse us
> > of not
> > > > providing facts!
> > > >
> > > > > The orignal post of the thread lives and work abroad, Did he
> > say
> > > > he had
> > > > > his spouse, a home, etc etc in Canada ??? Majority of
> > people
> > > > dont have
> > > > > those ties when they live abroad, most certainly very
> > few
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, many people do ... but when they learn how to
> > effectively
> > > > sever ties while keeping a home in Canada etc. it makes
> > sense.
> > > >
> > > > > Something being difficult if a RELATIVE thing, I strongly
> > think
> > > > that if
> > > > > 97% can do , it is relatively straight forward.
> > > >
> > > > It *can* be relatively straight forward ... but that's usually
> > not the
> > > > case ... for example, many people move from Canada to
> > work,
> > > > leaving the
> > > > spouse and kids behind for a couple months to complete
> > the
> > > > school year.
> > > > Do you realize how much complication that adds?
> > > >
> > > > > Its better to talk in facts than in thin-air
> > opinions....
> > > >
> > > You're the one quoting incorrect facts and thin air
> > opinions.
> > > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
> com[/url]
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
