wesam

I am planning to lande(from the US) this winter break and stay for only one week. I will give the officer at the port of entry my uncle’s address in Canada to mail my PR card. My uncle will mail the card back to me in the US. Can I do that? I have heard that you have to pick your card personally?
Thank you for your time and help.

Kathaleen

They mail the card to you. That's why you have to make sure you have valid address upon landing or provide them with an address as quickly as possible after landing.

Kathy

Trikky

G'day, all! In a recent article, wesam ([email protected]) said:

    >
    > I am planning to lande(from the US) this winter break and stay for only
    > one week. I will give the officer at the port of entry my uncle’s
    > address in Canada to mail my PR card. My uncle will mail the card back
    > to me in the US. Can I do that? I have heard that you have to pick
    > your card personally?

Why don't you land and stay? Oooh...what a concept. :-) If you have
things to take care of, get them done FIRST, then move.

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Anrkist

"Trikky" wrote in message
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    > G'day, all! In a recent article, wesam ([email protected]) said:
    > >
    > > I am planning to lande(from the US) this winter break and stay for only
    > > one week. I will give the officer at the port of entry my uncle's
    > > address in Canada to mail my PR card. My uncle will mail the card back
    > > to me in the US. Can I do that? I have heard that you have to pick
    > > your card personally?
    > Why don't you land and stay? Oooh...what a concept. :-) If you have
    > things to take care of, get them done FIRST, then move.


There could be a million reasons why he can't stay. From the sounds of it
he/she wants to finish schooling.

Why do you insist on assuming the worst about people and their intentions?
Give it a break ok? I don't appreciate immigrants abusing my country's
immigration process but I will not allow myself to get into your type of
mindset that assumes everyone is guilty until they prove themselves
innocent. From your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and
applying for Canadian citizenship. There is more to being Canadian than
getting that piece of paper and passport. There is a certain Canadian
compassion for others that makes this country somewhat unique. I hope that
one day you will acquire that compassion along with your citizenship.

Jaj

The problem is there are so *many* people asking:

- how soon can I leave after landing?
- how long must I stay?
- can I stay outside Canada for the full 3 years?
- can I have Canadian PR with US Green Card?

On this group we seem to see lots of questions of the above variety
compared relatively few from those asking about *genuine* settlement
issues in Canada.

While at the same time, those who actually *want* to live in Canada
and make a contribution to Canada are stuck overseas, with their
applications languishing in a seemingly endless queue.

It would be great if the system could weed out those who don't want to
live in Canada, but I'm not sure how that could be done. Seems to be
an enormous problem with the Canadian system, much more so than is the
case in Australia or New Zealand.

Jeremy

    >On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:23:06 -0500, "anrkist" wrote:
    >"Trikky" wrote in message
    >news:B9EA99AC.2BB52%[email protected]...
    >> G'day, all! In a recent article, wesam ([email protected]) said:
    >> >
    >> > I am planning to lande(from the US) this winter break and stay for only
    >> > one week. I will give the officer at the port of entry my uncle's
    >> > address in Canada to mail my PR card. My uncle will mail the card back
    >> > to me in the US. Can I do that? I have heard that you have to pick
    >> > your card personally?
    >> Why don't you land and stay? Oooh...what a concept. :-) If you have
    >> things to take care of, get them done FIRST, then move.
    >There could be a million reasons why he can't stay. From the sounds of it
    >he/she wants to finish schooling.
    >Why do you insist on assuming the worst about people and their intentions?
    >Give it a break ok? I don't appreciate immigrants abusing my country's
    >immigration process but I will not allow myself to get into your type of
    >mindset that assumes everyone is guilty until they prove themselves
    >innocent. From your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and
    >applying for Canadian citizenship. There is more to being Canadian than
    >getting that piece of paper and passport. There is a certain Canadian
    >compassion for others that makes this country somewhat unique. I hope that
    >one day you will acquire that compassion along with your citizenship.

Andrew Miller

Jeremy,

Looks like Americans will take care of this problem themselves very soon, at
least in large part. Read here:

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/02/passports_021102

You are in this forum for quite long time - have you seen many posts like you
mentioned from others than citizens of certain Commonwealth countries who "must
return to US to close some affairs"? I don't think so. Any day now we'll start
seeing posts from those who landed with new (post June 28th) PR visas and are
not allowed re-entry to US without valid American visa. After Americans fully
implement visa requirement for Commonwealth citizens as described in above
article we'll see a steady drop in number of applications submitted by such -
they will simply have no need for Canadian PR status anymore, as such will not
be a visa free ticket to US.

As I said in the first sentence - Americans will take care of the problem(s) we
cannot or don't want to take care of ourselves...

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Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
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"JAJ" wrote in message
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    > The problem is there are so *many* people asking:
    > - how soon can I leave after landing?
    > - how long must I stay?
    > - can I stay outside Canada for the full 3 years?
    > - can I have Canadian PR with US Green Card?
    > On this group we seem to see lots of questions of the above variety
    > compared relatively few from those asking about *genuine* settlement
    > issues in Canada.
    > While at the same time, those who actually *want* to live in Canada
    > and make a contribution to Canada are stuck overseas, with their
    > applications languishing in a seemingly endless queue.
    > It would be great if the system could weed out those who don't want to
    > live in Canada, but I'm not sure how that could be done. Seems to be
    > an enormous problem with the Canadian system, much more so than is the
    > case in Australia or New Zealand.
    > Jeremy
    > >On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:23:06 -0500, "anrkist"
wrote:
    > >
    > >"Trikky" wrote in message
    > >news:B9EA99AC.2BB52%[email protected]...
    > >> G'day, all! In a recent article, wesam ([email protected]) said:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> > I am planning to lande(from the US) this winter break and stay for only
    > >> > one week. I will give the officer at the port of entry my uncle's
    > >> > address in Canada to mail my PR card. My uncle will mail the card back
    > >> > to me in the US. Can I do that? I have heard that you have to pick
    > >> > your card personally?
    > >>
    > >> Why don't you land and stay? Oooh...what a concept. :-) If you have
    > >> things to take care of, get them done FIRST, then move.
    > >
    > >
    > >There could be a million reasons why he can't stay. From the sounds of it
    > >he/she wants to finish schooling.
    > >
    > >Why do you insist on assuming the worst about people and their intentions?
    > >Give it a break ok? I don't appreciate immigrants abusing my country's
    > >immigration process but I will not allow myself to get into your type of
    > >mindset that assumes everyone is guilty until they prove themselves
    > >innocent. From your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and
    > >applying for Canadian citizenship. There is more to being Canadian than
    > >getting that piece of paper and passport. There is a certain Canadian
    > >compassion for others that makes this country somewhat unique. I hope that
    > >one day you will acquire that compassion along with your citizenship.
    > >
    > >
    > >

Trikky

G'day, all! In a recent article, anrkist ([email protected]) said:

    > There could be a million reasons why he can't stay. From the sounds of it
    > he/she wants to finish schooling.
Well then, why didn't he/she finish their schooling or whatever it was,
THEN apply, or at least apply when a little closer to their finishing time?
I have been monitoring and participating in this newsgroup on and off for
about 8 years now, and CONSTANTLY see people asking questions about how long
they MUST stay in Canada (as if it's an onerous task), and making statements
about landing and then leaving straight away again.

    > Why do you insist on assuming the worst about people and their intentions?
    > Give it a break ok?
Who said anything about there being bad intentions? It was a perfectly
valid question. If your commitments are such that you have to arrive and
then leave straight away, then why don't you just FINISH what you have to
do, THEN make the move? Makes more sense.

    > I don't appreciate immigrants abusing my country's
    > immigration process but I will not allow myself to get into your type of
    > mindset that assumes everyone is guilty until they prove themselves
    > innocent.
Seems you already have that mindset, because I didn't make any such
inferences in the post to which you are replying. You're accusing me of
having all sorts of mean intentions (and, later, a lack of compassion).
Tsk, tsk...

    > From your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and
    > applying for Canadian citizenship. There is more to being Canadian than
    > getting that piece of paper and passport. There is a certain Canadian
    > compassion for others that makes this country somewhat unique. I hope that
    > one day you will acquire that compassion along with your citizenship.
I'll leave this childish insult in the trash where it belongs.

--
Trikky T; Vancouver, B.C. Canada
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wesam

All I wanted to know is if I can do that or not.
I have not seen any of my family members during the past 10 years.
I cannot wait to go and see them; even it is for one week during this winter break. So my plan is to go see them, do my landing, and come back to Canada in May 2003 after I finish my graduate studies in the US.
If you know of any Canadian Immigration polices (not personal opinions) that will conflict with my intention, please let know. Thank you all for your responses.

Chris

Sorry, winter break also means Christmas/New Years Eve break for many
workers. I myself do not work between Dec. 23 and first business day of the
New Year. That's because my company sends all the employees home, no way to
keep them at work when there is not much activity going on. Therefore do not
assume that winter break is only for students.
I am a Canadian citizen, so more than a PR, and I do not agree that somebody
should use this country as an easy way to get or stay in the US. But as
Andrew Miller already said it, soon this problem will be solved, not by
Canadian Gov. (unfortunately), but by our friends in the US, I mean the INS.
And for you compassionate means to let somebody to abuse the system? Where
did you get this idea about Canadians?
Chris

"anrkist" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Trikky" wrote in message
    > news:B9EA99AC.2BB52%[email protected]...
    > > G'day, all! In a recent article, wesam ([email protected]) said:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > I am planning to lande(from the US) this winter break and stay for
only
    > > > one week. I will give the officer at the port of entry my uncle's
    > > > address in Canada to mail my PR card. My uncle will mail the card
back
    > > > to me in the US. Can I do that? I have heard that you have to pick
    > > > your card personally?
    > >
    > > Why don't you land and stay? Oooh...what a concept. :-) If you
have
    > > things to take care of, get them done FIRST, then move.
    > There could be a million reasons why he can't stay. From the sounds of it
    > he/she wants to finish schooling.
    > Why do you insist on assuming the worst about people and their intentions?
    > Give it a break ok? I don't appreciate immigrants abusing my country's
    > immigration process but I will not allow myself to get into your type of
    > mindset that assumes everyone is guilty until they prove themselves
    > innocent. From your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and
    > applying for Canadian citizenship. There is more to being Canadian than
    > getting that piece of paper and passport. There is a certain Canadian
    > compassion for others that makes this country somewhat unique. I hope that
    > one day you will acquire that compassion along with your citizenship.

wesam

Thanks Chris

Mickey Moo

"Chris" wrote in message
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    > I am a Canadian citizen, so more than a PR, and I do not agree that
somebody
    > should use this country as an easy way to get or stay in the US. But as

More than a PR?
More what than a PR?
Please explain !

Chris

First you are an applicant wishing to obtain an immigrant visa to Canada.
Then you become an immigrant visa holder. Then, upon your landing to Canada,
you are a PR. And after 1095 days in Canada you finally become Canadian
citizen. Each step has a "more" thing than the one previously achieved. And
the last one, and I think the final goal for each and every initial
applicant is to become a Canadian citizen. I think that everybody knows the
differences between each step I mentioned before.
Being a Canadian citizen does not make you in any way smarter, or wealthier
(better-off) than a regular PR, but it does give you some advantages, the
right to vote, the right to travel with a Canadian passport, etc., but most
importantly, at least for me, is that from the moment you have become a
Canadian citizen you can call Canada your home, sweet home. And yes, I, as a
Canadian citizen, have the right to defend my country in a stronger way than
any PR would be allow to do it. One particular poster, "anrkist" uses the
words "from your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and applying
for Canadian citizenship", questioning the ability of "trikky" to judge the
original poster about his intentions to land in Canada. If he thought that a
PR is not the right person to judge a potential PR, well, a Canadian citizen
can do it without any problem.
I hope that now you understand clearly why I said that I am more than a PR.
Have a nice day.
Chris


"Mickey Moo" wrote in message
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    > "Chris" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I am a Canadian citizen, so more than a PR, and I do not agree that
    > somebody
    > > should use this country as an easy way to get or stay in the US. But as
    > More than a PR?
    > More what than a PR?
    > Please explain !

Trikky

Seems to have been removed from the server, so am reposting, with a little
more detail.
G'day, all! In a recent article, anrkist ([email protected]) said:

    > There could be a million reasons why he can't stay. From the sounds of it
    > he/she wants to finish schooling.
Well then, why didn't he/she finish their schooling or whatever it was,
THEN apply, or at least apply when a little closer to their finishing time?
I have been monitoring and participating in this newsgroup on and off for
about 8 years now, and CONSTANTLY see people asking questions about how long
they MUST stay in Canada (as if it's an onerous task), and making statements
about landing and then leaving straight away again.

In my own personal experience, I had something in my home country that I
had to work around, and I may have had a valid reason to land and then
leave. But I didn't...indeed, I worked hard to get the other thing taken
care of and as soon as I had a date by which it would be finished, I made my
plans to leave the country.

I've seen posts by people saying things like 'Oh, I haven't seen X for a
kazillion years'. If that's the case, then another 6 months before you see
them isn't gonna kill you, or you could come on a visitor visa first, then
land later. There's nothing so important that it can't be completed before
you land. All it takes is some simple planning.

    > Why do you insist on assuming the worst about people and their intentions?
    > Give it a break ok?
Who said anything about there being bad intentions? It was a perfectly
valid question. If your commitments are such that you have to arrive and
then leave straight away, then why don't you just FINISH what you have to
do, THEN make the move? Makes more sense.

    > I don't appreciate immigrants abusing my country's
    > immigration process but I will not allow myself to get into your type of
    > mindset that assumes everyone is guilty until they prove themselves
    > innocent.
Seems you already have that mindset, because I didn't make any such
inferences in the post to which you are replying. You're accusing me of
having all sorts of mean intentions (and, later, a lack of compassion).
Tsk, tsk...

    > From your other posts it is apparent that you are a PR and
    > applying for Canadian citizenship. There is more to being Canadian than
    > getting that piece of paper and passport.
...and there's more to Canadian residency than just using it as a postal
drop.

    >There is a certain Canadian
    > compassion for others that makes this country somewhat unique. I hope that
    > one day you will acquire that compassion along with your citizenship.
I'll leave this childish insult in the trash where it belongs.

--
Trikky T; Vancouver, B.C. Canada
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sysclp

I can't speak for others, but the reason I landed earlier than I could stay permanently was the 3 month waiting period for health coverage. I landed in Feb. 2001 and got my SIN, driver's license, bank account, etc. and went back after 4 days to finish packing for the move and wind down my job in the US. I came back in March to sign the lease on our apartment which my now husband found for us then we both came back to the US to finish my packing, clean up the house and get it on the market, and then drive the truck and car up to Canada in April. Because I landed earlier than I could stay, I only had about 2 weeks where I was without health coverage since my coverage at my previous job ran for 1 month after my last day there. Thankfully I didn't need the health coverage for a while, but I didn't want to risk being uncovered for any longer than I had to since you never know when an accident will happen.

People can't always make the timing work out perfectly for things given how long the wait may be to get the visa and then you have a limited amount of time in which to use it.

Of course there do seem to be a lot of people who want to get their PR and then stay away for the maximum amount of time they are allowed. While this may offend some people, it is their right to do this and perfectly within the rules of the system.

Bodza Bodza

"Andrew Miller" wrote:

    > Looks like Americans will take care of this problem themselves very soon, at
    > least in large part. Read here:

[Piece about how the U.S. will be demanding passports from certain
commonwealth countries that currently don't require them (I always
assumed that you *had* to have a passport. Apparently not. But now you
do.)
Also: certain other commonwealth countries will require a valid u.s.
visa in addition to the passport and landing papers]

What I just realized was the loophole that was being used by certain
H1B out of status people, as follows:

You're on H1B but you think you might end up out of status (i.e. you
have to leave). So what do you do? You apply for Canadian permanent
residence. You get it. A few months later you're told you're going to
lose your job and go out of status. So what do you do: Go up north,
"land" then come back down with your visa free entry (not out of
status anymore) and apply for a new job and another H1B.... Never
thought of that before...

But now: Shit out of luck. You go out of status, you can't get back
down to the U.S. without actually having landed and it takes up to a
year to be able to get a u.s. visitors visa after landing in Canada.

Good for the Americans.