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Hi, all. I'm new to the forum and the whole immigration thing in general, especially the abbreviations used, so please go easy on me.

I'm currently visiting Regina, SK and living with my sister and her husband, who moved here around 5 years ago and have PR. My return flight is in the last week of September, however, I have fallen in love with this place and have decided that I wish to stay and eventually become a citizen.

A little background:- I'm 38, single with no commitments in the UK. Before coming here, I worked for 6 years in sales at a large TV & Internet provider. I also build PC and network systems, but don't actually have any formal qualifications or real job experience in that field, as I'm self-taught.

Of course, I am ineligible for IEC, due to my age, so I'm now trying to figure out the best route to take.

Now, I may be wrong here, but I'm starting to get the feeling that I am better off trying to get a job offer from an employer who will be able to hire me on an LMIA - even if it's a job that isn't sales or computing related or isn't one I would normally go for - as I assume that this would be processed relatively quickly and at least buy me some time until I can meet the requirements to qualify for PR. If this is doable, I certainly wouldn't mind taking a minimum wage kind of job, if it'll get my foot in the door and allow me to get to a position where I can get a more suitable job.

I am aware that I'm working on a very limited time allowance, of course, but I do have the advantage of being able to speak to prospective employers face-to-face, I guess. I'm just not sure of the best way forward, at this point.

If any of you kind folk would be willing to offer some advice on how I should proceed at this point (or even just to point out that I've misunderstood something) I would be extremely grateful.

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What's your sister like at matchmaking? (I don't mean the kind you set fire to)
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Getting 'any' job offer won't get a LMIA approved. An employer has to try and hire Canadians first, applying for a LMIA to hire a foreign worker if they have been unsuccessful at hiring within Canada.
LMIAs are harder to get approved these days, not to mention the $1000 cost to the employer.

This might help.
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Getting 'any' job offer won't get a LMIA approved. An employer has to try and hire Canadians first, applying for a LMIA to hire a foreign worker if they have been unsuccessful at hiring within Canada.
LMIAs are harder to get approved these days, not to mention the $1000 cost to the employer.

This might help.
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Thanks for the reply, Aviator.

Yeah, I'm somewhat aware of how LMIA works. By 'any job', I meant a LMIA approved job that was not necessarily a job/position that I would normally consider.

Will employers generally advertise that the job meets LMIA requirements on regular job-sites? If not, are you aware of any LMIA related job websites to check out or could you suggest any fields of work I could look out for that are decent odds to meet LMIA requirements.

As I said, if it gets my foot in the door, I honestly don't mind what I do. I'll have some support from family until I'm in a better position to get PR and then move on to a more suitable job.
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What's your sister like at matchmaking? (I don't mean the kind you set fire to)
There's always one...

Do you have a sister in Canada willing to be matchmade?

*Edit* - I replied to Aviator with quite a long post before I posted this, but it said something about a mod having to review it. I got no such warning for this post, though. Strange. Anyone know why?

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Originally Posted by Aviator
Getting 'any' job offer won't get a LMIA approved. An employer has to try and hire Canadians first, applying for a LMIA to hire a foreign worker if they have been unsuccessful at hiring within Canada.
LMIAs are harder to get approved these days, not to mention the $1000 cost to the employer.

This might help. link deleted
Maybe my original reply went astray because I am new and quoted the link.

Thanks for the reply, Aviator. I'm somewhat aware of how LMIA works. That link has some great info on job-hunting, though, so I've bookmarked it.

When I said 'any job', I was referring to me getting a LMIA approved job that wasn't sales/computing based. I would have some support from family, so I would be completely happy to take pretty much any job if it means getting my foot in the door until I'm able to get PR or, at the least, in a position to get a more suitable job.

Will employers generally advertise that a job has become LMIA qualified on regular job-sites? Are there any specific places to look for LMIA approved jobs? Are there any fields of employment I can keep an eye out for, that are generally decent odds to become LMIA qualified?

Again, apologies if I'm falling down with regards to terms used or abbreviations etc.

*edit* - And now my first reply appears!

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Originally Posted by Brocky
There's always one...

Do you have a sister in Canada willing to be matchmade?

*Edit* - I replied to Aviator with quite a long post before I posted this, but it said something about a mod having to review it. I got no such warning for this post, though. Strange. Anyone know why?
Because in the previous post you quoted Aviator who had a link in his post. As you, at the time, had only posted a couple of times, it automatically put you in the queue to be checked that you weren't spamming. Once a new poster has posted three times, they can add links without the system having a mild panic attack.
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Because in the previous post you quoted Aviator who had a link in his post. As you, at the time, had only posted a couple of times, it automatically put you in the queue to be checked that you weren't spamming. Once a new poster has posted three times, they can add links without the system having a mild panic attack.
Figured as much.

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If not, are you aware of any LMIA related job websites to check out or could you suggest any fields of work I could look out
There are none. Jobs are advertised on the Job Bank and other sites. To be successful on a LMIA application, an employer needs to be hiring someone qualified to do a job. If they applied for a LMIA for someone with no experience in a field, there would be little to no chance. The are plenty on inexperienced Canadians.

My suggestion is try in your field of expertise, that would give the best chance, although without qualifications it does present a challenge. Another option is get some qualifications in the UK and then apply. If you have the financial resources, you could consider a student permit and training in Canada. Expensive, but may eventually help, but not a shortcut to PR or a WP.
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Originally Posted by Brocky
Yeah, I'm somewhat aware of how LMIA works. By 'any job', I meant a LMIA approved job that was not necessarily a job/position that I would normally consider.

Will employers generally advertise that the job meets LMIA requirements on regular job-sites? If not, are you aware of any LMIA related job websites to check out or could you suggest any fields of work I could look out for that are decent odds to meet LMIA requirements.

As I said, if it gets my foot in the door, I honestly don't mind what I do. I'll have some support from family until I'm in a better position to get PR and then move on to a more suitable job.
To be completely honest, I'm not sure you fully understand how an LMIA works. It's not really comprehensible to talk about 'a job that meets LMIA requirements', or 'not minding what you do'. The whole point of a Labour Market Impact Assessment is that the firm spends three months advertising, trying to find a Canadian to do the job. If no Canadian applies, or no Canadian who applies is qualified/suitable (and they have to prove this for each applicant, individually), then the Government will issue the LMIA, allowing them to hire a non-Canadian who is qualified/suitable. So at the stage a position is being advertised, it's not 'LMIA appropriate', because they're trying to find a Canadian - if they do, they could not get an LMIA. And you're not likely to be picking and choosing a post that isn't really what you want to do, because in order for you to be able to do the job when nobody in Canada is capable/available/willing to do it - it's probably either located in your existing specialised skill-set, or in a geographic location where nobody (likely including you) wants to live.

I suppose there could be job adverts that shout 'We've been looking for four months, yet to find a Canadian, really need to fill the post, so non-Canadians please apply', which might meet your idea of meeting LMIA requirements, but even then, it's almost certainly a job you already do - and if your skills are mainly self-taught and you don't have certification, you'll have a heck of a time proving you're a match for something even if it is that job you already do.

None of this is to say you can't move there - and Sask seem very proud of their Provincial Nomination Programme, which might be something for you to look up to see if you match any of its criteria - but your questions about LMIAs, and the way you describe dealing with them suggest you're not fully familiar with what they involve, so some more reading about that would probably also be helpful. Good luck
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Originally Posted by Aviator
There are none. Jobs are advertised on the Job Bank and other sites. To be successful on a LMIA application, an employer needs to be hiring someone qualified to do a job. If they applied for a LMIA for someone with no experience in a field, there would be little to no chance. The are plenty on inexperienced Canadians.

My suggestion is try in your field of expertise, that would give the best chance, although without qualifications it does present a challenge. Another option is get some qualifications in the UK and then apply. If you have the financial resources, you could consider a student permit and training in Canada. Expensive, but may eventually help, but not a shortcut to PR or a WP.
Thanks again, Aviator.

My field of expertise is sales. I have over 6 years experience at a major TV & Internet provider in the UK. Yes, I can build / maintain PC systems and home/small office networks, however, i'd realistically have to class that as a hobby, due to no formal qualifications.

So, you would suggest that I go all out to land a sales job? Based solely off my experience, skills and ability to handle job interviews, I'm confident that I am qualified for and can land a sales job. However, as you're alluding to, landing a sales job with LMIA/LMO is a different story.

Should I be looking to send a cover letter along with my application, informing prospective employers of my current situation?
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To be completely honest, I'm not sure you fully understand how an LMIA works. It's not really comprehensible to talk about 'a job that meets LMIA requirements', or 'not minding what you do'. The whole point of a Labour Market Impact Assessment is that the firm spends three months advertising, trying to find a Canadian to do the job. If no Canadian applies, or no Canadian who applies is qualified/suitable (and they have to prove this for each applicant, individually), then the Government will issue the LMIA, allowing them to hire a non-Canadian who is qualified/suitable. So at the stage a position is being advertised, it's not 'LMIA appropriate', because they're trying to find a Canadian - if they do, they could not get an LMIA. And you're not likely to be picking and choosing a post that isn't really what you want to do, because in order for you to be able to do the job when nobody in Canada is capable/available/willing to do it - it's probably either located in your existing specialised skill-set, or in a geographic location where nobody (likely including you) wants to live.
This, I understand.

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I suppose there could be job adverts that shout 'We've been looking for four months, yet to find a Canadian, really need to fill the post, so non-Canadians please apply', which might meet your idea of meeting LMIA requirements, but even then, it's almost certainly a job you already do
This is what I've been alluding to. Basically finding a company that has LMO for X job and applying for it. I'm starting to understand that isn't going to be as easy as I presumed.

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- and if your skills are mainly self-taught and you don't have certification, you'll have a heck of a time proving you're a match for something even if it is that job you already do.
As I mentioned above, I have plenty of sales experience. It's the PC/networking side of things that I'm not officially qualified in, despite being experienced. So I guess I really have to class that as a hobby and hope that a prospective employer sees that as a bonus on top of a sales application.

Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
None of this is to say you can't move there - and Sask seem very proud of their Provincial Nomination Programme, which might be something for you to look up to see if you match any of its criteria
I've already looked at the PNP criteria and, unfortunately, I don't fit into any of the categories so it appears that my best option is to get my resume out and apply for as many sales jobs as possible, tag on a cover letter explaining my situation and hope that I hit on an employer that has, or is willing / able to apply for LMO for that position for me. (am I following how it works now?)

I fully appreciate your reply, Vulcanoid. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Brocky
This is what I've been alluding to. Basically finding a company that has LMO for X job and applying for it. I'm starting to understand that isn't going to be as easy as I presumed.
You're misunderstanding - it's you, rather than the job, that has a LMIA. As you're referring to it as a LMO, I think you might be looking at old info, before the system was tightened up about 3 years ago and LMO's were replaced with LMIA's.

An employer applies for the LMIA showing that they have advertised the job nationally and can't find a Canadian willing or able to do it, and giving your details (including why you're suitable for the role and your relevant experience). You will then be named on the LMIA.

HTH, good luck.
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Originally Posted by Brocky
So, you would suggest that I go all out to land a sales job? Based solely off my experience, skills and ability to handle job interviews, I'm confident that I am qualified for and can land a sales job. However, as you're alluding to, landing a sales job with LMIA/LMO is a different story.
An employer getting a LMIA approved to hire a foreigner for a sales job has little chance of success in my opinion. If your sales experience was in a unique and unusual field, maybe, in telecoms, no shortage here.

Even building computers and low level networking is not a high demand job until one gets to a senior level. Computer techs for now are a dime a dozen.

You may have noticed a post above with the suggestion of marrying a Canadian!

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You're misunderstanding - it's you, rather than the job, that has a LMIA. As you're referring to it as a LMO, I think you might be looking at old info, before the system was tightened up about 3 years ago and LMO's were replaced with LMIA's.

An employer applies for the LMIA showing that they have advertised the job nationally and can't find a Canadian willing or able to do it, and giving your details (including why you're suitable for the role and your relevant experience). You will then be named on the LMIA.

HTH, good luck.
Ok, that makes more sense. Yeah, the majority of my info has been garnered from my sister and her husband, who moved here 5 years ago - before the changes you mention. Thanks, christmasoompa. Although I am feeling much less confident in my chances of getting something sorted now.

Does anyone have an insight into how things work with regards to farm workers? I have read that it's a hugely in-demand field (no pun intended) and visa requirements are somewhat relaxed for people in that line of work. Of course, it would be a completely new venture for me, job-wise, but my brother-in-law - being a service manager for an agricultural equipment service company - has plenty of contacts in the farming industry in SK. I'm now thinking that it could be worth investigating and hopefully getting some experience and a job offer in that area.

Thoughts, anyone?
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