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Old Jan 4th 2016, 10:22 am
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Question A complex situation - I hope you can help us!

Hi there

We are going backwards and forwards and I feel like I am spending all my time searching what to do without any concrete outcome

I guess I will start with our situation......

I am 29 and my partner (common law) is 30.....we have 2 boys aged 2 and 4, we voiced to my parents that we would like to immigrate to Canada for many reasons and were shocked to hear that they would come too!

We live in a uncommon situation at home that we own a home with my parents - its a large house with separate living areas so we would want to do this again moving to Canada

My other half is a self employed Carpenter, I am a self-employed photographer but previous to this I went to uni and got a BA Hons Business Degree. We had already decided Chris would seek a job before we go under the skilled program to gain enough points to get in - which route is best do you think for Carpenters?

And here is where we are stuck......my parents are 54 and 55, they do not get enough points to get in without jobs. My father is a head teacher and retiring very soon, my mother works in domiciliary care. They would have around $1mil to come into the country with which is not enough to get in without a job. From research teaching is difficult to enter Canada with so it would be my mother who needs to try for the visa. She works for a company called Right At Home care and we were thrilled to find they have a company in Canada {snipped URL}. Is this a route we can take?

But we also realise that would restrict us to where we can live.....is there any other routes we are missing?

Obviously we would like to try and go all together at once as we own the house here in England, once sold if we dont all leave, someone will be without a home!

I hope this all makes sense and I really hope you may be able to help us

- Thanks in advance!!

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As you have gone into more detail here, I'll close your other thread http://britishexpats.com/forum/immig...e-test-869559/

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My other half is a self employed Carpenter, I am a self-employed photographer but previous to this I went to uni and got a BA Hons Business Degree. We had already decided Chris would seek a job before we go under the skilled program to gain enough points to get in - which route is best do you think for Carpenters?
For a carpenter, you'd only have two options - PNP and FST. Once there working for a year or more, you'd also have CEC, but that wouldn't apply at first.

But if you don't score enough points, then you'll need to get a job offer first and wouldn't be applying for PR yet anyway, so I assume you'd be looking at moving on a TWP and applying for PR once in Canada? You could also look at the Self-Employed route for you (as a photographer is one of the eligible occupations), but that program does have lengthy processing times.

And lastly, if you don't mind moving on a temp visa (as I assume you'd have to anyway, if you don't have enough points for PR now), then have you looked the IEC program? You'd need to apply quickly, but that's a possible option too.

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And here is where we are stuck......my parents are 54 and 55, they do not get enough points to get in without jobs. My father is a head teacher and retiring very soon, my mother works in domiciliary care. They would have around $1mil to come into the country with which is not enough to get in without a job. From research teaching is difficult to enter Canada with so it would be my mother who needs to try for the visa. She works for a company called Right At Home care and we were thrilled to find they have a company in Canada {snipped URL}. Is this a route we can take?
It depends on what she does. If she's an executive or senior manager of the company, or has 'specialised knowledge' (i.e. something that isn't found in Canadian employers so a good case can be made to bring her over), then she could move on an intra-company transfer TWP. More info here - http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Intra-...ransfer-Canada

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But we also realise that would restrict us to where we can live.....is there any other routes we are missing?
A normal job offer (LMIA/TWP)? Your father isn't likely to have any luck with that (see the Wiki article on teaching in Canada for info), so it would probably have to be your mother, but again it will depend on how specialist her skills are as to whether or not she could convince an employer to spend $1000, do all the paperwork, and wait months for her to start work.

The only other option I can think of is a study permit, but obviously that's not permanent and not sure if either of them would want to go back to studying full-time at their age? It would get them in to Canada though.

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Obviously we would like to try and go all together at once as we own the house here in England, once sold if we dont all leave, someone will be without a home!
I'm sorry, but I don't see any way that you could all go together, unless your mother/father can find a job offer and you can delay your move once you've got LMIA's/TWP's to wait for them (or vice versa, depending on who gets their visas first).

The only certain way for your parents to move would be for you to sponsor them, but you're several years away from being able to do that (you'd need to be a PR of Canada, and have worked there for 3 years before you can even start the process, which can then take quite a while).

Sorry to not have any other bright ideas, you can certain try to get job offers/LMIA's independently and see if you can both manage it on similar timescales, but usually it's hard enough to get one LMIA, never mind two in the same town/place!

HTH a bit at least, best of luck.

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Thank you for your detailed reply, really appreciate it. Yes it seems like its going to be hard work isnt it! Gutting.

We do have family in Ontario but it is distant (My mothers grandfathers brothers daughter!!) - I guess that wont help?!
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Thank you for your detailed reply, really appreciate it. Yes it seems like its going to be hard work isnt it! Gutting. We do have family in Ontario but it is distant (My mothers grandfathers brothers daughter!!) - I guess that wont help?!
Won't make any difference I'm afraid. Look at the IEC for yourselves anyway. Can't do any harm.
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Thank you for your detailed reply, really appreciate it. Yes it seems like its going to be hard work isnt it! Gutting.

We do have family in Ontario but it is distant (My mothers grandfathers brothers daughter!!) - I guess that wont help?!
Nope. Even a mother wouldn't be able to sponsor you, never mind a mothers grandfathers brothers next door gerbil

I think that if you all want to go you'll have to just go for it and see if your parents can get a job offer, or be prepared to go on your own and sponsor them in a few years time.

Good luck.
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Nope. Even a mother wouldn't be able to sponsor you, never mind a mothers grandfathers brothers next door gerbil

I think that if you all want to go you'll have to just go for it and see if your parents can get a job offer, or be prepared to go on your own and sponsor them in a few years time.

Good luck.
I thought that the Liberals were increasing the clout that gerbils held to ease immigration bottlenecks though I'm not sure legislation has bee passed yet
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I thought that the Liberals were increasing the clout that gerbils held to ease immigration bottlenecks though I'm not sure legislation has bee passed yet
Bees as well? Crikey, all manner of creatures then.
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Be(e) aware that carpentry is a regulated trade in Canada and you need to pass the Red Seal exam

Red Seal Trades / Red Seal

I'm not sure exactly when this will need to be done, maybe someone else can advise.
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Would you need Red seal to start your own Buzziness?

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Be(e) aware that carpentry is a regulated trade in Canada and you need to pass the Red Seal exam

Red Seal Trades / Red Seal

I'm not sure exactly when this will need to be done, maybe someone else can advise.
According to jobbank.gc.ca it doesn't appear to be a Regulated Trade anywhere except for Quebec.

You can see here.

That doesn't mean that the OP wouldn't perhaps want to get Certified in the trade regardless.


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Be(e) aware that carpentry is a regulated trade in Canada and you need to pass the Red Seal exam

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I'm not sure exactly when this will need to be done, maybe someone else can advise.
Not a requirement in most provinces. Makes it easier to get a job in downtime with the certification and get better paid. When construction is booming employers will take anyone and often lay off uncertified first. Somewhat of a generalisation, but s distinct possibility to consider.

For self employed, unless one has a good reputation, makes it easier to get business being a certified journeyman.

To get a LMIA approved certification is going to make the process more attainable, although still no certainty.
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Siouxie is right. Carpentry is not regulated.


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Thank you all for your help, I really appreciate your time. My mother has emailed the company she works for in the UK which are also in CA to see if they do any form of transfers.

I will look into temporary work visas too to see if she meets the criteria for that.

Does anyone know how provincial nomination works? Again I think job offers are needed but is it another route to look into for her?
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