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Old Sep 29th 2014, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by FaithC
I'm just looking at the quickest option, it's taken me a year to get this far
Your quickest option would be a study permit then, but are you happy to uproot your kids and move across on a temporary visa with no guarantee that you won't be able to stay?

I'd also have concerns about you selling your house if you intend to move on a study permit, as one of the criteria for a study permit is the following - "In applying for a study permit, a student must first and foremost clearly demonstrate to the Visa officer that he or she intends to respect the requirement that study permit holders leave Canada by the end of the period authorized for their stay which usually corresponds with the completion of studies and expiry of their study permit." If you've sold your house, then that may put up a red flag for an immigration officer who could think you don't intend to return to the UK after your authorised period of stay has finished.

Originally Posted by FaithC
I will have the equivalent of $108.000 so that should be enough to cover studies
Do you mean $108,000? If so, then yes, that would cover a course of a few years duration. Not sure it would be enough for living expenses as well though, how would you plan to fund that?

Originally Posted by FaithC
plus I thought once qualified you had the option of staying to use your qualification?
You would be eligible for a Post Graduate Work Permit, yes, but that's also only temporary. So if for instance, you did a 4 year course (I'm assuming that you're doing a nursing degree?), you'd get a 3 year work permit afterwards. If you wanted to stay permanently after that, you'd then have to hope that there is a route to PR for you. At the moment, there would be, but immigration changes all the time and who knows what the case will be in a few years time!

Originally Posted by FaithC
How long does the FSW route take?
As said above, figure about 18 months.

It's really your call, but you've got two options -

Study permit. Expensive, kids can't work on it, no guarantee you can stay, and of course by the time you do become eligible for PR on it, your eldest child will have aged out, and won't be able to go on your PR app so would need to try and find a way of staying on her own. But it is quick!

FSW. Takes much longer, but you'd all have the security of moving with PR which would mean you'd know you could actually stay, plus your eldest child could work if she wanted, and no need to worry about having to try and qualify for PR in the future.

I know which I'd choose, particularly with children, but it's your decision! Best of luck.

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Old Sep 30th 2014, 1:47 am
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I was wondering about this - Determine your eligibility – Sponsor your eligible relatives

Does your brother in Canada have any relatives here? If not, could that work?

Why the hurry though?
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My relatives are in England and Italy, only my Brother is in Canada. My hurry is I've just obtained a court order to remove the kids and want to be gone before he changes his mind and drags me back through court, the process has taken a year to get this far, I've just been made redundant and my house is for sale, so thought it would be the best time to try and come over before settling here again. My best option would be to find a job, but that looks near dam impossible, and the lady I spoke to about the job in Canada has just forwarded me an immigration specialists number, she said that the best she can do.
With a study permit you are now allowed to apply for a part time work permit as well, that's what I thought? And during holidays you can work full time? Or am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by FaithC
My relatives are in England and Italy, only my Brother is in Canada.
I think the question was does your brother have any other family, not you - as if you are his only family member, he could sponsor you for PR. Although given that it would take years, that may not help anyway!

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My best option would be to find a job, but that looks near dam impossible, and the lady I spoke to about the job in Canada has just forwarded me an immigration specialists number, she said that the best she can do.
I'm not sure what good she thinks that would do tbh, an immigration consultant won't help you find a job, they're just there for visa applications - and you can do that bit yourself, particularly if it's only a study permit or TWP. By law, nobody is allowed to charge you anything for helping you to find a job in Canada, so it's not a service that immi consultants offer for that reason.

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With a study permit you are now allowed to apply for a part time work permit as well, that's what I thought? And during holidays you can work full time? Or am I wrong?
No, that's right, you can work part-time. But part-time work wouldn't cover living costs for the 3 of you, so it would depend on how long you could eke out your savings.

You've not said, but is the course a 4 year degree course?
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Old Sep 30th 2014, 4:42 am
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I thought the law changed in January and you could only sponsor parents or grandparents? We both share my parents, lol, so he only has them and me as family.
The course is a 2 year full time diploma, not a degree and the cost is $15.000 I should be able to find small rented accommodation and live on pasta for 2 years, lol, it would be worth it to get away from here!
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Originally Posted by FaithC
I thought the law changed in January and you could only sponsor parents or grandparents? We both share my parents, lol, so he only has them and me as family.
The law didn't change, it's not been possible to sponsor siblings for years *unless* they are your only family member - and as you have parents, clearly that's not the case! So that's not an option.

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The course is a 2 year full time diploma, not a degree and the cost is $15.000 I should be able to find small rented accommodation and live on pasta for 2 years, lol, it would be worth it to get away from here!
$15000 for both years? That's very cheap! Is it definitely from an eligible institution? So you'd need $50k for the study permit, and then if you have $108,000 you should have approx $25k a year left to live on during your course. Tight, but doable if you can find a part-time job as well I guess?

Just checking, but you do know that unless you're a degree trained nurse you wouldn't be able to work as a nurse in most of Canada? I think only one or two provinces accept diploma trained nurses.

If getting away from 'here' (wherever 'here' is) is your only motivation, then how about a nicer part of the UK, or even Europe where you don't need a visa to move to? I'm assuming you just want to be near your brother, but just thought I'd mention other options in case you're just moving to get away from a bad environment.

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Yes, thanks for all the help! I appreciate it!
I really want to be near my brother as he is my only one, and I am willing to try anything to be nearer him, even if it means living on nothing for a few years to do it! Certain countries in Europe have a worse economic climate than us, so trying say perhaps Italy where my family are would actually be worse than what I'm trying to do now! The college I'm looking at is NSCC, I presume this is a good school? I'm just keeping my fingers crossed they accept me! If not the FSW looks like my next option but will take a long time. I might try as it says in the wiki and ring employers and try that way.
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Originally Posted by FaithC
Yes, thanks for all the help! I appreciate it!
I really want to be near my brother as he is my only one, and I am willing to try anything to be nearer him, even if it means living on nothing for a few years to do it! Certain countries in Europe have a worse economic climate than us, so trying say perhaps Italy where my family are would actually be worse than what I'm trying to do now! The college I'm looking at is NSCC, I presume this is a good school? I'm just keeping my fingers crossed they accept me! If not the FSW looks like my next option but will take a long time. I might try as it says in the wiki and ring employers and try that way.
NSCC are certainly an eligible institution, but wow they're cheap! That's great, normally international tuition fees are double the price of home students, but they only charge an extra $1000 which is a bargain.

I know I mentioned it earlier, but if you're determined to go for the study permit route rather than FSW, you really do need to bear in mind that your eldest child will 'age out' after age 18. I don't know exactly when that would be, and whether you'd be able to apply for PR by the time she reaches that age, but it's something to factor in your calculations and to aim for, otherwise she's going to be up the creek without a paddle!

Best of luck, I'm sure you'll be accepted on to the course, fingers crossed for you.
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If you have enough points already, and money, and really want to get moving, how would you feel about putting your PR application while studying? That would take care of the age issue, yes?
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I will look into this, I know that she can stay at high school for 2 years, she's only just turned 16. Then she wants to go to college, so like me wouldn't she be able to apply for a study permit and work part time? She is due inheritance on her 18th birthday that should cover the cost of tuition. It's kind of crossing that bridge when we get there.

Can you put in for PR while studying? I'm sure someone said you can't study with the intent of moving permenantly??
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I don't honestly know, I'm throwing ideas out. You can put in a PR application while you're here on a TWP. If you started studying first maybe?

If your daughter's not included in your PR application, she would need to pay for her own PR application in full too, and still potentially be in the same situation of needing a job, enough points, TWP etc. after she's finished whatever studying she decides on. Without that, she's just have to go back to the UK on her own at the end.
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Originally Posted by FaithC
I will look into this, I know that she can stay at high school for 2 years, she's only just turned 16. Then she wants to go to college, so like me wouldn't she be able to apply for a study permit and work part time? She is due inheritance on her 18th birthday that should cover the cost of tuition. It's kind of crossing that bridge when we get there.
But that's my point - I think you need to consider just how you'll get across that bridge *now*. She can do the above, but then what? You know how hard it's been yourself to find a job offer, so as a new graduate, with no work experience, how do you think she would fare upon leaving college and trying to get a visa?

If she wouldn't mind leaving Canada after a few years and returning to the UK, then that's fine, but if you think she'll want to stay permanently with you, then you really need to consider her in your plans, and that would mean applying for PR before she's older than 18.

Something to think about when weighing up the pros and cons anyway?
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So would it be best as soon as I'm in Canada studying, apply for a PR straight away? Is that what you are saying? I thought you could only apply for PR once you had been in Canada for 2 years? Or am I wrong again? Sorry to be a pain!!
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Originally Posted by FaithC
So would it be best as soon as I'm in Canada studying, apply for a PR straight away? Is that what you are saying?
Yes, or even before you go.

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I thought you could only apply for PR once you had been in Canada for 2 years?
You know that's not correct, as you've talked above about applying as a Skilled Worker. A Skilled Worker application (which you can make now, from the UK without spending anytime in Canada at all if you're eligible) would result in PR. There's no route to PR that would need you to be in Canada for 2 years, so I'm not sure what you're thinking about there?

That's one of the reasons why I'd apply as a Skilled Worker now rather than going to the expense and uncertainly of a study permit application, but mainly so that your eldest child also gets the security of PR and doesn't get kicked out of Canada in a few years time!
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Could you please clarify CO - can she also apply to study with a PR app in progress? Or put in a PR app while she's studying?
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