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Old Aug 28th 2015, 5:34 am
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we are looking at working in Canada in 2 years time for a couple of years. my husband had a police caution 3 years ago, for a fight on a train when i guy pushed his laptop (stupid thing to do but these things happen) it does show up on a police certificate as we had to have one for a US visa 2 years ago as were not sure about this and ESTA's. The visa was agreed after going to the USA embassy. We are UK citizens with a UK passport. I thought it was best to explain the full details and I am aware of what a stupid thing it was to do. what I dont know is how it affects any chance of working in Canada for a while? the only posts i could find were 5 years old now.
also i lived in NZ from the age of 14 to 23 and think i might need something from the police there to say i have no convictions etc? As i have not lived there for 26 years now this seems a bit odd!
FYI we didnt appear to need any visa for a visit to Canada(though it looks like they are changing this from 2016) nor more that an ETA to visit Australia nor any affect in NZ as there was no conviction, no
i am also confused if a caution disappears from a check at any point as I have now read about 8 different answers, from yes after 4 years to never ever.
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Which way will you be applying for work permits?
If applying under the IEC then CIC London will decide if inadmissible or not or any application via an overseas office.
Unfortunately ENF Manual 14 is not available to be viewed on the public website which deals with Pardons and Criminal Rehabilitation.
In Canada there is no such thing as a police caution so if you accepted a caution that is an admission of guilt and therefore is considered to be a conviction.
If turning up at a POE tomorrow I could find your husband inadmissible.
He cannot apply for rehabilitation until 5 years from the completion of any sentence imposed or wouldn't be deemed rehabilitated until 10 years after any sentence imposed.
You won't get a 100% answer on here as each case is dealt with on its own merits. You can apply for an info only decision by using this link and reading it

Application for Rehabilitation for Persons Who Are Inadmissible to Canada Because of Past Criminal Activity
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thank you for your answer, we are only just looking into it but want to get more information before we commit any further. I don't think people get a choice regarding cautions sadly...
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Originally Posted by paeroa66
thank you for your answer, we are only just looking into it but want to get more information before we commit any further. I don't think people get a choice regarding cautions sadly...
Yes they do they can choose to go to court and plead not guilty. The UK decided to go with cautions to take the strain off the courts. A person could accept the caution rather than being charged with the offence and appearing in court.

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Cautions are given to anyone aged 10 or over for minor crimes - eg writing graffiti on a bus shelter.
You have to admit an offence and agree to be cautioned. You can be arrested and charged if you don’t agree.
A caution is not a criminal conviction, but it could be used as evidence of bad character if you go to court for another crime.
Cautions can show on standard and enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks.

https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty
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https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/q562.htm

A caution is not a conviction.

Cautions are covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 and become spent immediately (apart from conditional cautions which will become spent after 3 months).
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Originally Posted by Siouxie
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/q562.htm

A caution is not a conviction.

Cautions are covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 and become spent immediately (apart from conditional cautions which will become spent after 3 months).
Not as far as the Canadian and US immigration service are concerned, for them a caution is an admission of guilt, and as such is treated as if the person had been found guilty. Many, many people have found this out the hard way, and in fact there is a very large, long running thread in the US immi forum where this comes up regularly.
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It strikes me that the most common ones are D&D.

I had one from 2002 that I didn't even know I'd been given!

This is probably quite common:

Drunk. Legs stop working. Nick Nick. In the cells until sunrise. Fingerprints/Caution. Still too drunk to realise. Off you go sonny....

Mine was on The Quayside in Newcastle on a Thursday night. Leaving 'do' from a job. Every pint I was bought had vodka in it (as I learned a few days later...). Legs evidently stopped working about midnight. Comfy floor in Newcastle City Centre Cells for the night. Back to the hotel for a shower in the morning. Vague memory of what went on. No idea I'd 'accepted' a Caution. Still don't know how they Identified me, as I had emptied my wallet of everything except cash beforehand (as you do on a Quayside night out...).

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