Canadian IT strongholds ?

Old Sep 8th 2003, 3:56 am
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Historically, what has been the best place in Canada for
people in the IT, particularly with linux experience in
both sysadmin and kernel programming ?
 
Old Sep 8th 2003, 5:12 am
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I'm a UNIX sysadmin myself by trade, but sadly the majority of sysadmin
positions in Canada are Win32 based, or at least have a heavy Win32
focus. This is unlike the UK where all banking systems and anything
else mission critical are usually based on Solaris or HP-UX. Go figure!

Jobs do however exist - so don't be put off too much ! Calgary for
example has really started to ignite over the past few weeks - with
several Linux, HP and other UNIX jobs being advertised on the market.
Edmonton seems luke-warm for UNIX jobs too! I'm not sure whether this
is just a temporary spurt, or if its the beginning of change.


Austin wrote:
    > Historically, what has been the best place in Canada for
    > people in the IT, particularly with linux experience in
    > both sysadmin and kernel programming ?
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Old Sep 8th 2003, 6:56 am
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we have too many IT people out of work here in Canada as it is.


please don't move here.



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    > Historically, what has been the best place in Canada for
    > people in the IT, particularly with linux experience in
    > both sysadmin and kernel programming ?
 
Old Sep 8th 2003, 9:52 am
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Thanks Mr Nic,
Continuing the thread on IT strongholds, can anybody opine on the prospects of an SAP professional in Canada under the current job market ?
Also, any specific place where the prospect is "relatively" more in demand ?

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Old Sep 8th 2003, 10:56 am
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not good.

stay home.


leave our lost jobs for current canadians to get back.


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    > Thanks Mr Nic,
    > Continuing the thread on IT strongholds, can anybody opine on the
    > prospects of an SAP professional in Canada under the current job market
    > ?
    > Also, any specific place where the prospect is "relatively" more
    > in demand ?
    > Regards,
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Old Sep 8th 2003, 12:35 pm
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:12:00 -0600, Simon
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >I'm a UNIX sysadmin myself by trade, but sadly the majority of sysadmin
    >positions in Canada are Win32 based, or at least have a heavy Win32
    >focus. This is unlike the UK where all banking systems and anything
    >else mission critical are usually based on Solaris or HP-UX. Go figure!

Banking systems on Win32?!?! That's the funniest IT remark I've ever
read! And not a bit of truth in it either. Banking systems, whether
in the USA or Canada, are usually based on OS/390 / z/OS. This only
applies to the large financial institutions.

I would suspect the same can be said for large financial institutions
in Europe whether you realize it or not. These systems were built in
the 60's thru 80's and they work. They aren't going away. It would
cost billions of dollars to replace and upper management would never
ever do that.

Your first statement of Win32 admins in Canada is total rubbish. I
suspect you have an ax to grind.

    >Jobs do however exist - so don't be put off too much ! Calgary for
    >example has really started to ignite over the past few weeks - with
    >several Linux, HP and other UNIX jobs being advertised on the market.
    >Edmonton seems luke-warm for UNIX jobs too! I'm not sure whether this
    >is just a temporary spurt, or if its the beginning of change.

If you don't have at least a University level eduation, and 7-8 year
real-world full-time experience, you'll have a hard time finding an IT
job. The market has been flooded. Not just flooded, but flooded with
young people who won't retire for 30 or 35 years.

    >Austin wrote:
    >> Historically, what has been the best place in Canada for
    >> people in the IT, particularly with linux experience in
    >> both sysadmin and kernel programming ?
    >>
    >>
 
Old Sep 8th 2003, 12:38 pm
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 21:52:21 +0000, SJ03
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    >Thanks Mr Nic,
    >Continuing the thread on IT strongholds, can anybody opine on the
    >prospects of an SAP professional in Canada under the current job market
    >?

The SAP (or Peoplesoft or Oracle) job market is okay. You probably
won't find a job on the technical side. However there does tend to be
jobs on the functional side. Unfortnately these jobs, of course,
require a lot of experience and a lot of education (education from
SAP,etc which is very expensive).

However in order to get an SAP (or Peoplesoft or Oracle) job, you'll
probably need at least 7-8 years of full-time work experience.


    >Also, any specific place where the prospect is "relatively" more
    >in demand ?

Yes, people who get results.
 
Old Sep 8th 2003, 4:35 pm
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Whether you realise it or not, there have been a number of large banks
(including Citibank Europe & Asia) who have ditched the mainframes and
moved over to HP Superdome solutions. This is accompanied by Sun E10K+s
and other high-end UNIX boxes taking over individual banking functions
piece by piece, especially in the UK. Reason? Massive long term cost
savings.

As for the Windows comment, I believe I wrote two separate sentences
there. Unfortunataly, you managed to read it as one ... My point was
there _seems_ to be alot more Win jobs than UNIX jobs here in Canada.
My mistake, and I apologise. *sigh*. I wouldn't have a clue what they
use in banks here, nor do I care!




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Old Sep 8th 2003, 9:51 pm
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    > not good.
    > stay home.
    > leave our lost jobs for current canadians to get back.

Totally in agreement. New and unemployed immigrants are of no use and much
drain.
 
Old Sep 8th 2003, 10:46 pm
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Simon wrote:

    > Whether you realise it or not, there have been a number of large banks
    > (including Citibank Europe & Asia) who have ditched the mainframes and
    > moved over to HP Superdome solutions. This is accompanied by Sun
    > E10K+s and other high-end UNIX boxes taking over individual banking
    > functions piece by piece, especially in the UK. Reason? Massive long
    > term cost savings.
    > As for the Windows comment, I believe I wrote two separate sentences
    > there. Unfortunataly, you managed to read it as one ... My point was
    > there _seems_ to be alot more Win jobs than UNIX jobs here in Canada.
    > My mistake, and I apologise. *sigh*. I wouldn't have a clue what
    > they use in banks here, nor do I care!

My exmployer's in California, but I'm sure the trend's there are
somewhat representative of the rest of N. America. We've been trying to
hire a replacement IT/Network Manager for the last 2 or 3 months. It's
virtually a MSFT only shop. I was very surprised at the number of
people applying who had big iron experience and many years on the UNIX
side. SQL Server skills to take over some DBA roles were a bonus, but
all these people just knew Oracle. I would guess that the good Win32
people remain employed and that there's been some hard times for those
experienced with big budget systems which have typically been UNIX +
Oracle/DB2. MSFT still seem to be gaining ground in low and mid-range
systems, although Linux has a good toe hold at the very bottom. I don't
think I would want to be looking for a big iron job right now.

Malc
 
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Please don't bite me for this one but.....
the Toronto and Hamilton are seems to have a lot of SAP work advertised.

Check:
www.workopolis.com

it's an ok site, just a little labour intensive that's all.



Simon:
Checked out your webs -- nice work! You daughter is a cutie!!

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Old Sep 8th 2003, 10:58 pm
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Austin wrote:

    >Historically, what has been the best place in Canada for
    >people in the IT, particularly with linux experience in
    >both sysadmin and kernel programming ?
    >

Try the typical large cities: Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Ottawa
always punched *well* above its weight and carried the moniker: "Silcone
Valley of the North". The sheer size of Toronto attracts more
opportunities in to one commutable area than other places, even if the
density isn't as high as Ottawa. I have no idea how sour things went in
Ottawa when companies like Nortel started dumping thousands of people on
to the job market. Oh, and lets not forget that Theo de Raadt
coordinates OpenBSD from Calgary, although that's a slightly more
distributed effort.

Your best bet might be online resources like Monster.ca or some books
like "Who's Hiring 2003" and the Canadian directory of search firms (or
whatever it's called).

Malc
 
Old Sep 9th 2003, 1:12 am
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    >
    > Try the typical large cities: Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Ottawa
    > always punched *well* above its weight and carried the moniker: "Silcone
    > Valley of the North".


"silicone valley of the north" ???
now that carries a completely different connotation, doesn't it?
    :P
 
Old Sep 9th 2003, 1:50 am
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Aaron wrote:

    >>Try the typical large cities: Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Ottawa
    >>always punched *well* above its weight and carried the moniker: "Silcone
    >>Valley of the North".
    >>
    >"silicone valley of the north" ???
    >now that carries a completely different connotation, doesn't it?
    >:P
    >

lol! Thanks. What was I thinking? On second thoughts, don't answer that.
 

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