Canada needs IT workers

Old Oct 27th 2008, 5:43 am
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Originally Posted by msi geek
Similar to USA, Canada is a multi-racial soceity. But, UNLIKE AMERICA, there is no concept of specialisation in Canada.
Crap. When I wanted a DBA with Oracle 10g (when it was new and they were rare) I had no trouble importing such a person. I was able to show that the specific skill set wasn't available here.

Originally Posted by msi geek
- being a EXTREMELY SOCIALIST country, anyone who call himself a specialist will be arrested by the socialist police.
Canada isn't a socialist country. Anyway, socialist countries, such as Cuba don't outlaw specialisation, Cuban doctors, for example, aren't expected to be able to administer databases.


Originally Posted by msi geek
The average salary of an IT pro in America is 125K and specialists contracting at top $ rate can earn 200K or more.

It is hard to reach even 100K in Canada. It is and will always remain a socialist country.
I broke $100,000 in 1985. I've never made less in a year from programming. There are more jobs in the US and I suggest it's a better place for a computer person to go but one can make a living in Canada.
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Default Re: Canada needs IT workers

Originally Posted by msi geek

Canada - definitely not for the IT Specialists and Subject Matter Experts.
Workopolis disagrees with you:

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10428814

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10413420

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10423764

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10151767

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10420576

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10409210
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Originally Posted by PaulandNikki
Try telling Canadian employers that. I've got 17 years experience, a degree etc and still I'm going to have to take a minimum wage job in a shop as the IT arena is a closed door to non-Canadians here.
Victoria has a strange job market becuase it is so dominated by the Government. Getting a foot in the door is an important first step. The key is networking, and more networking, and even more networking.
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Hey Want2Move...can you PM me? For some reason I was trying to send you a message but it was not allowing me to. I want to ask you a few questions.

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Old Oct 27th 2008, 7:40 am
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IT is such an umbrella term. Presumably lower level IT positions are easily filled by locals and unlikely to gain a positive LMO, where as more specialist areas are difficult to recruit?
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A canadian friend of mine has just landed a full time position after 3 years of short term contract hopping.

If canada needs "IT workers" , its only so they can be exploited to work for less than the existing workers.

The fact that it was a Bell study makes me wonder why they would want more IT bods here, other than to drive the hourly rates of their remaining onshore employees a bit lower....
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Originally Posted by msi geek
Inspite of never having worked in Canada, I found 2 good contracts but my recruiters could not arrange a visa.
Sounds like your recruiter is incompetent. There is an IT worker waiver program that allows you to get a TWP without HRSDC approval. The classifications and skill requirements are loose enough that as long as you are doing real work and not hoping to be a manager then you should be able to slot in somehow.
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What does he do? Oracle DBA? Linux Admin?

I am in IT too (Systems Analyst) and hoping to find a job in Alberta (Calgary area, but I prefer a small town If I have a choice), when I get my PR in a year.

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Ummmmm I have no idea! Sorry all that stuff goes right over my head!

All I know is that he works for an oil and gas company doing their IT
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Hey Want2Move...can you PM me? For some reason I was trying to send you a message but it was not allowing me to. I want to ask you a few questions.

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I have sent you a PM.
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Ummmmm I have no idea! Sorry all that stuff goes right over my head!

All I know is that he works for an oil and gas company doing their IT
Please ask him what he does when you get a chance and let me know, if you do not mind. I am trying to learn a new IT skill and trying to see what IT area I should get into, especially to work in Alberta as my PNP requires (if I get one) me to live there.
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Old Oct 27th 2008, 3:15 pm
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Can you guys share the recruiting firms who are willing to sponsor TWP. Some how I found majority of them just don't entertain non-PR people.
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Default Re: Canada needs IT workers

The salaries for IT Jobs are so low in Canada - an American has remarked:

Did they introduce slave labor in Canada while I wasn't looking? Check the link below. Americans find it very funny.

http://www.appdeploy.com/messageboards/tm.asp?m=37774

Attitude is everything - an American firm would hire one good person and pay him 200K - a typical canadaian employer would hire 4 and pay 50K each - Let Socialism prevail at all times.

It is this attitude that drives many away to America.
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Can you guys share the recruiting firms who are willing to sponsor TWP. Some how I found majority of them just don't entertain non-PR people.
Hi if I was you I would avoid recruiting firms and go direct to the companies. I found that recruiting companies only dealt with you if you already had PR or permission to work here already.
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Old Oct 27th 2008, 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by msi geek
The salaries for IT Jobs are so low in Canada - an American has remarked:

Did they introduce slave labor in Canada while I wasn't looking? Check the link below. Americans find it very funny.

http://www.appdeploy.com/messageboards/tm.asp?m=37774

Attitude is everything - an American firm would hire one good person and pay him 200K - a typical canadaian employer would hire 4 and pay 50K each - Let Socialism prevail at all times.

It is this attitude that drives many away to America.
The weather is what drives Canadians to America.

In what way is Canada, Alberta for example, more socialist than the US, Massachusetts, for example? In what way do these alleged socialist tendencies affect individual firms when hiring?
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Apart from the fact that "IT workers" covers such a huge area of employment to make any comparison meaningless, I know that Ben is horrified by the working conditions in the American office that he has to visit on a regular basis. Security cameras pointed at every work station, no trust in the employees whatsoever.

I also know that he earns roughly the same as he did in the UK ( ie twice as much dollar wise) for a job that he has no "paper qualifications" for.
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