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Can only parents submit there passports?

Old Nov 20th 2006, 1:54 pm
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Can dependent child not immigrant but only parents submit their passports for stamping after receiving a notice of passport stamping (the application includes child but parents have changed mind) or the entire family members must immigrant together? How does the law stipulate it?
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Default Re: Can only parents submit there passports?

All passports must be submitted together. But you may change status of your dependent child to a non-accompanying dependent before submitting passports.

How old is the child? If you don't mind please state the reason for such rather strange decision.

I've been in immigration business long enough to see strange decisions made by applicants, usually for wrong reasons or simply unnecessarily. Maybe you need second opinion.


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Can dependent child not immigrant but only parents submit their passports for stamping after receiving a notice of passport stamping (the application includes child but parents have changed mind) or the entire family members must immigrant together? How does the law stipulate it?
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Old Nov 20th 2006, 4:38 pm
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All passports must be submitted together. But you may change status of your dependent child to a non-accompanying dependent before submitting passports.

How old is the child? If you don't mind please state the reason for such rather strange decision.

I've been in immigration business long enough to see strange decisions made by applicants, usually for wrong reasons or simply unnecessarily. Maybe you need second opinion.
The child is a US born citizen. The parents prefer their child to keep studying at the current US elementary school because he is doing very well at the school. The relatives will take care of their child. The parents will be frequently back and fourth between the Canada and US. The parents are non US citizens. So they chose to immigrant to the Canada. The application form includes every family member because parents heard every family member must be included in the application form regardless of they will go to the Canada or not. Now the CIC has requested passports. The parents want to know whether it will affect issuance of their immigration visas if their child does not want to immigrant to the Canada. You said, “But you may change status of your dependent child to a non-accompanying dependent before submitting passports. How to do that?
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Default Re: Can only parents submit there passports?

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The child is a US born citizen. The parents prefer their child to keep studying at the current US elementary school because he is doing very well at the school. The relatives will take care of their child. The parents will be frequently back and fourth between the Canada and US. The parents are non US citizens. So they chose to immigrant to the Canada. The application form includes every family member because parents heard every family member must be included in the application form regardless of they will go to the Canada or not. Now the CIC has requested passports. The parents want to know whether it will affect issuance of their immigration visas if their child does not want to immigrant to the Canada. You said, “But you may change status of your dependent child to a non-accompanying dependent before submitting passports. How to do that?
Why would you want to move to another country without your child.
What if he/she wants to be with you later but you can't go back to the states and he/she can't come to Canada to be with you?
If child is in elementary school, why would it be such a problem to move he/she to the Canadian schooling system?

Don't rush into this descision.

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Old Nov 21st 2006, 3:04 am
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Why would you want to move to another country without your child.
What if he/she wants to be with you later but you can't go back to the states and he/she can't come to Canada to be with you?
If child is in elementary school, why would it be such a problem to move he/she to the Canadian schooling system?

Don't rush into this descision.

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It’s easy to answer your question. The parents cannot stay in the US indefinitely but child can. AM, the parents want to know whether it will affect issuance of their immigration visas if their child does not want to immigrant to the Canada. You said, “But you may change status of your dependent child to a non-accompanying dependent before submitting passports. How to do that?
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This is your official story, not your real reason. No parent in right mind will leave child at elementary school age behind when moving to another country. As I suspected you must have another reason which you don't want to disclose - you won't get any solid advice here without telling the truth.

BTW, what effect you think sending or not sending child's passport (or even child landing in Canada) will have on your plans of keeping child in US???

You are obviously very confused and don't know the laws of both countries at all and are making wrong decision for wrong reason, no matter what that reason is.

US citizen will not lose his/her citizenship by becoming PR of another country or even by obtaining citizenship in another country, unless it is done with intention to relinquish US citizenship. Read Section 349 of the US Immigration and Nationality Act.

So, if concern about future of your child's US citizenship is what drives you to making decision then be assured that it is wrong reason and wrong decision as you have nothing to worry about.

(1) Your child will not lose US citizenship by moving permanently to Canada, (2) will not lose US citizenship by becoming Canadian citizen and (3) cannot sponsor you to US before reaching age 21 (by that time we will have North American union of some sort in place anyway, allowing freedom of movement).

If your child decides later to move back to US then nothing will stop him/her from doing it as s/he will still be US citizen, even if in the meantime becomes a Canadian citizen. My youngest son was born in US, moved to Canada at age 3, became Canadian citizen at age 8, is now 19 and never lost his US citizenship. He has 3 citizenships and 3 passports - US by birth, Canadian by naturalization and one of EU countries as born to parents who at the time of his birth were still nationals of that country as well.

Like I said - your reasons are wrong and decision is completely unnecessary.

Immigration officer processing your case will be very suspicious and will doubt your intentions of making Canada your home, a place of permanent residence, if you are leaving minor child behind. Do not do it.


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The child is a US born citizen. The parents prefer their child to keep studying at the current US elementary school because he is doing very well at the school. The relatives will take care of their child. The parents will be frequently back and fourth between the Canada and US. The parents are non US citizens. So they chose to immigrant to the Canada. The application form includes every family member because parents heard every family member must be included in the application form regardless of they will go to the Canada or not. Now the CIC has requested passports. The parents want to know whether it will affect issuance of their immigration visas if their child does not want to immigrant to the Canada. You said, “But you may change status of your dependent child to a non-accompanying dependent before submitting passports. How to do that?

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Old Nov 21st 2006, 9:55 am
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This is your official story, not your real reason. No parent in right mind will leave child at elementary school age behind when moving to another country. As I suspected you must have another reason which you don't want to disclose - you won't get any solid advice here without telling the truth.

BTW, what effect you think sending or not sending child's passport (or even child landing in Canada) will have on your plans of keeping child in US???

You are obviously very confused and don't know the laws of both countries at all and are making wrong decision for wrong reason, no matter what that reason is.

US citizen will not lose his/her citizenship by becoming PR of another country or even by obtaining citizenship in another country, unless it is done with intention to relinquish US citizenship. Read Section 349 of the US Immigration and Nationality Act.

So, if concern about future of your child's US citizenship is what drives you to making decision then be assured that it is wrong reason and wrong decision as you have nothing to worry about.

(1) Your child will not lose US citizenship by moving permanently to Canada, (2) will not lose US citizenship by becoming Canadian citizen and (3) cannot sponsor you to US before reaching age 21 (by that time we will have North American union of some sort in place anyway, allowing freedom of movement).

If your child decides later to move back to US then nothing will stop him/her from doing it as s/he will still be US citizen, even if in the meantime becomes a Canadian citizen. My youngest son was born in US, moved to Canada at age 3, became Canadian citizen at age 8, is now 19 and never lost his US citizenship. He has 3 citizenships and 3 passports - US by birth, Canadian by naturalization and one of EU countries as born to parents who at the time of his birth were still nationals of that country as well.

Like I said - your reasons are wrong and decision is completely unnecessary.

Immigration officer processing your case will be very suspicious and will doubt your intentions of making Canada your home, a place of permanent residence, if you are leaving minor child behind. Do not do it.
Have you seen some benefits to a person who can keep several country citizenships, like your youngest son having 3 citizenships and 3 passports or only travel easily?
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Old Nov 21st 2006, 10:46 am
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Default Re: Can only parents submit there passports?

Of course he has now choices he can make as he pleases - he can live, study and work in Canada, USA and any of 25 EU countries without applying for any permits or visas. It is now his choice to make and it wasn't for sure mine to limit his future options when he was a minor and I was making decisions for him.

And what you want to do is to limit your child's choices. And to mess up with your own PR case.

Why?

What reasons other than somehow misguided worshiping of your child's stay in US you still may have to exclude your child from your application and limit his/her choices?

Help me out here as I cannot really understand your reasoning, unless it is simply your worshiping of US (quite common among immigrants from certain parts of our planet, but surely misguided) with all other factors being blurred...


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Have you seen some benefits to a person who can keep several country citizenships, like your youngest son having 3 citizenships and 3 passports or only travel easily?

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