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Old Mar 30th 2004, 10:22 am
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Default British Pakistani Muslims arrested with 1/2-ton of explosives

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm

"The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are thought to
be of Pakistani descent. "

"Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, claimed
the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."

"The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
themselves."
 
Old Mar 30th 2004, 12:02 pm
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Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
    >
    > "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are thought to
    > be of Pakistani descent. "
    >
    > "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, claimed
    > the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."
    >
    > "The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
    > themselves."
    >

First off, the last sentence appears to be the words of "Blackmale" and
thus should NOT be in quotes, as they are NOT part of the BBC report.

Second, it is worth noting also the words of the chief terrorism
investigator that appear in the same report. By choosing to ignore them,
"Blackmale" contributes to the "demonising" decried by Mr. Shadjareh.

"Terror suspects held in raids

"Eight British men suspected of being involved in terrorist activity
have been arrested in a series of raids across the south of England.

(...)

"Head of Scotland Yard's terrorist branch Peter Clarke said warrants
were issued under the Terrorism Act 2000.

(...)

"Mr Clarke, who is national co-ordinator of terrorist investigations,
said premises were still being searched by forensics teams.

He assured the Muslim community the police knew the "overwhelming
majority are law abiding and completely reject all forms of violence".

"We have a responsibility to all communities to investigate suspected
terrorist activity," he said.

"He said the operation was not linked to the bombs in Madrid and there
had been no danger to the public.

"Mr Clarke said: 'Today's operation is part of continuing and extensive
inquiries by police and the security service into alleged international
terrorist activity and I must stress that the threat from terrorism
remains very real. The public must remain watchful and alert.'

"But Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
claimed the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such
raids.

"He said: 'These raids are usually given a lot of importance when they
are taking place, but when people are released without charge, it is not
news.

"'It is creating a deception in the minds of ordinary people that we
have a bigger problem than we really have,' he added."

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...nd/3581687.stm

Whether or not Mr. Shadjareh is correct about the magnitude of the
problem, it is clear that accusations usually make the front page and in
cases where charges are dropped, that fact usually makes the back pages.
Even when an accused person is later found innocent at trial, the
initial reports and allegations are likely to overshadow the final
verdict. That is the way it is with ALL people accused of crimes.

Sadly, this newsgroup (a.r.i.) is a perfect example of what is called
"group polarization" or, more colourfully, "incestuous amplification".
This is how the site "The Word Spy" defines the term:

================================================== =

INCESTUOUS AMPLIFICATION
n. The reinforcement of set beliefs among like-minded people, leading to
miscalculations and errors in judgment.

Example Citation:
Back in Washington, around the water coolers at the Pentagon, they talk
about this idea called "incestuous amplification" as a bad thing.

(...)

Without knowing it, the Columbia investigators were identifying a
pervasive social problem, one that unites these examples and that leads
to many failures in the public and private sectors. In military circles,
this process is called "incestuous amplification." Among psychologists,
it is known as "group polarization."


In a nutshell: Like-minded people, talking only with one another,
usually end up believing a more extreme version of what they thought
before they started to talk.
‹Cass R. Sunstein, "The Power of Dissent," Los Angeles Times, September
17, 2003

Many of this groups "regulars" reinforce one another's distortions,
inevitably leading to even greater distortion. They convince each other
that things are more extreme, much worse, more frequent, more dangerous
than things really are.

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Old Mar 30th 2004, 1:42 pm
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How can anyone demonize demons?
"Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
>
> "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are thought
to
> be of Pakistani descent. "
>
> "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
claimed
> the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."
>
> "The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
> themselves."
>
>
 
Old Mar 30th 2004, 3:15 pm
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"Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
    >
    > "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are thought to
    > be of Pakistani descent. "
    >
    > "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, claimed
    > the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."
    >
    > "The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
    > themselves."

It has become very crucial that there now be a backlash within the
Muslim communities from the silent majority. Enough is enough! Rather
than throwing people out of Islam for things such as their rejection
of stoning death penalty of an adulterer, the majority of the Muslims
need to organize and unite against these evildoers in their midst and
throw them outside the fold of Islam in addition to a just penalty for
their crimes against humanity. What is needed is an organized
striving/struggle/movement against these evildoers who are no friend
of Islam.
 
Old Mar 30th 2004, 4:15 pm
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"Anjum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > It has become very crucial that there now be a backlash within the
    > Muslim communities from the silent majority. Enough is enough!

Sir,
What is more important is the emphasis on nationalism rather than unity
based on Islam.
For example, the vast majority of Moslems are prisoners of Arab foreign
policy, especially towards Israel. With the exception of secualr Turkey and
some Central Asian countries, places like Malaysia and Indonesia's foreign
policy are based as if they were geographically right next to Israel. This
is insane.
Now, if you wish to identify with the Arab and fight as if we are living
in the year 1190 AD, that's fine. If you are arab, that's fine. If you are
not, then the arab Israeli conflict is not your concern. If you want to make
it your concern, then Israel has every right to strike at any Moslem
country.

irgun43
 
Old Apr 1st 2004, 12:13 am
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Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (Anjum) wrote:

    > "Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
    > >
    > > "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are thought to
    > > be of Pakistani descent. "
    > >
    > > "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
    > > claimed
    > > the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."
    > >
    > > "The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
    > > themselves."
    >
    > It has become very crucial that there now be a backlash within the
    > Muslim communities from the silent majority. Enough is enough! Rather
    > than throwing people out of Islam for things such as their rejection
    > of stoning death penalty of an adulterer, the majority of the Muslims
    > need to organize and unite against these evildoers in their midst and
    > throw them outside the fold of Islam in addition to a just penalty for
    > their crimes against humanity. What is needed is an organized
    > striving/struggle/movement against these evildoers who are no friend
    > of Islam.

No doubt the naysayers in this group will not be impressed by the most
recent news from Britain, but in fact, and contrary to what many in this
group like to think, ordinary Muslims are concerned about terrorism and
their role in combatting it, as the following report from the BBC makes
clear.

===============================================

UK Muslims urged to fight terror

The Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unprecedented step of
writing to every mosque, urging people to help in the fight against
terror.

The letter asks for the "utmost vigilance" to help "safeguard" the UK.

Prime Minister Tony Blair welcomed the move saying it made clear that
terrorism "has nothing to do with the true message of Islam".

It comes after half a ton of ammonium nitrate fertiliser - a bomb-making
ingredient - was seized in London.

(...)

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens urged UK Muslims to
help in the fight against terror.

Speaking at the Muslim News Awards ceremony in London he promised
support and appealed for help in stopping any future attacks.

He said: "We rely on you to report anything you see or hear or that you
might feel is suspicious.

"But equally we want you tell us about any instances of Islamaphobia."

(...)

'Muslim backlash'

Muslim Council Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said the decision to send the
letter was made following the Madrid rail bombings of 11 March which
left 191 dead. It was then redrafted to take Tuesday's arrests into
account.

It calls on Muslims to report any suspicious activity to the
authorities.

"Islam categorically forbids violence and killing of innocents, let
alone indulging in violence which can cause death and mayhem," it
states.

Mr Bunglawala told BBC News Online: "It's also a message urging Muslims
not to get downhearted - they're under massive pressure. They must be
worried about recent events.

"We're seeing a backlash against Muslims but Muslims must not lose
heart."

Sermons will be delivered on Friday saying terrorism has no place in
Islam, while booklets being printed will remind Muslims of their
obligation to help safeguard Britain's security.

"A terrorist attack will not discriminate between Muslims and
Christians", Mr Bunglawala said.

"As British citizens, we have a right to help the safeguarding of this
country by co-operating with police."

(...)

Send us your comments using the form below.

Your comments

(...)

I am a Muslim and totally against violence from any quarter, be it
Muslim, Jew or Christian. Terrorists must be punished as they are acting
against God's law on peace, tolerance and understanding.
Haluk Savas, London

(...)


I am very disappointed, by the activities of these fringe elements to
undermine the hard fought and gained cultural tolerance in this country.
Not only is it every Muslim's duty to watch their community's activities
but we all have to be vigilant and pull together. A bomb in a big city
does not discriminate religion.
Siltanu, London

Credit must go to the MCB for this move. It is not easy for the
law-abiding Muslim majority in this climate of Islamic terrorism.
However this sort of action is just the sort of thing that will reassure
the general public that the Muslim community is also doing all it can to
combat terrorism. This in turn will help make the Muslim community as a
whole feel less persecuted.
Richard, London

(...)


I am a Muslim and I consider myself to be a mix of the East and West
culture. This can mean at times I feel ousted by both sides and fall
right in the middle into no-man's land. Regardless of this predicament I
will always say what I consider to be right and fair. I am pleased to
hear the Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unprecedented step of
making an authoritative voice across Britain. I believe strong, sensible
and single leadership for Muslims is what is lacking. In this event it
shows to the rest of the country we don't agree with terrorism.
Khalid Hashmi, Luton, Bedfordshire

(...)

Those who carryout such atrocity in our society are not religious
people. In Islam, Christianity or any other faith killing is totally
forbidden. If any person commits an act of terrorism they are outside
and against their faith and should not be branded with the religion. The
holy Koran clearly states "If you kill an innocent man, it is as though
you have killed the entire humanity".
Saleem Haque, Liverpool, England

This letter by the Muslim Council is a wonderful step and will do much
to repair community relations. There is a problem in this country. It is
a problem for all communities and the Muslim community should be
applauded here for finally taking action and not setting itself apart.
Andrew Williams, St Albans

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/3586565.stm

Published: 2004/03/31 22:36:06 GMT

© BBC MMIV
==========================================

--
Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
 
Old Apr 1st 2004, 1:50 am
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"Abdelkarim Benoit Evans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected] >,
    > [email protected] (Anjum) wrote:
    > > "Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
    > > >
    > > > "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are
thought to
    > > > be of Pakistani descent. "
    > > >
    > > > "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
    > > > claimed
    > > > the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."
    > > >
    > > > "The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
    > > > themselves."
    > >
    > > It has become very crucial that there now be a backlash within the
    > > Muslim communities from the silent majority. Enough is enough! Rather
    > > than throwing people out of Islam for things such as their rejection
    > > of stoning death penalty of an adulterer, the majority of the Muslims
    > > need to organize and unite against these evildoers in their midst and
    > > throw them outside the fold of Islam in addition to a just penalty for
    > > their crimes against humanity. What is needed is an organized
    > > striving/struggle/movement against these evildoers who are no friend
    > > of Islam.
    > No doubt the naysayers in this group will not be impressed by the most
    > recent news from Britain, but in fact, and contrary to what many in this
    > group like to think, ordinary Muslims are concerned about terrorism and
    > their role in combatting it, as the following report from the BBC makes
    > clear.

On the contrary, I was impressed, but then we got this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...portaltop.html

Mike


    > ===============================================
    > UK Muslims urged to fight terror
    > The Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unprecedented step of
    > writing to every mosque, urging people to help in the fight against
    > terror.
    > The letter asks for the "utmost vigilance" to help "safeguard" the UK.
    > Prime Minister Tony Blair welcomed the move saying it made clear that
    > terrorism "has nothing to do with the true message of Islam".
    > It comes after half a ton of ammonium nitrate fertiliser - a bomb-making
    > ingredient - was seized in London.
    > (...)
    > Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens urged UK Muslims to
    > help in the fight against terror.
    > Speaking at the Muslim News Awards ceremony in London he promised
    > support and appealed for help in stopping any future attacks.
    > He said: "We rely on you to report anything you see or hear or that you
    > might feel is suspicious.
    > "But equally we want you tell us about any instances of Islamaphobia."
    > (...)
    > 'Muslim backlash'
    > Muslim Council Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said the decision to send the
    > letter was made following the Madrid rail bombings of 11 March which
    > left 191 dead. It was then redrafted to take Tuesday's arrests into
    > account.
    > It calls on Muslims to report any suspicious activity to the
    > authorities.
    > "Islam categorically forbids violence and killing of innocents, let
    > alone indulging in violence which can cause death and mayhem," it
    > states.
    > Mr Bunglawala told BBC News Online: "It's also a message urging Muslims
    > not to get downhearted - they're under massive pressure. They must be
    > worried about recent events.
    > "We're seeing a backlash against Muslims but Muslims must not lose
    > heart."
    > Sermons will be delivered on Friday saying terrorism has no place in
    > Islam, while booklets being printed will remind Muslims of their
    > obligation to help safeguard Britain's security.
    > "A terrorist attack will not discriminate between Muslims and
    > Christians", Mr Bunglawala said.
    > "As British citizens, we have a right to help the safeguarding of this
    > country by co-operating with police."
    > (...)
    > Send us your comments using the form below.
    > Your comments
    > (...)
    > I am a Muslim and totally against violence from any quarter, be it
    > Muslim, Jew or Christian. Terrorists must be punished as they are acting
    > against God's law on peace, tolerance and understanding.
    > Haluk Savas, London
    > (...)
    > I am very disappointed, by the activities of these fringe elements to
    > undermine the hard fought and gained cultural tolerance in this country.
    > Not only is it every Muslim's duty to watch their community's activities
    > but we all have to be vigilant and pull together. A bomb in a big city
    > does not discriminate religion.
    > Siltanu, London
    > Credit must go to the MCB for this move. It is not easy for the
    > law-abiding Muslim majority in this climate of Islamic terrorism.
    > However this sort of action is just the sort of thing that will reassure
    > the general public that the Muslim community is also doing all it can to
    > combat terrorism. This in turn will help make the Muslim community as a
    > whole feel less persecuted.
    > Richard, London
    > (...)
    > I am a Muslim and I consider myself to be a mix of the East and West
    > culture. This can mean at times I feel ousted by both sides and fall
    > right in the middle into no-man's land. Regardless of this predicament I
    > will always say what I consider to be right and fair. I am pleased to
    > hear the Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unprecedented step of
    > making an authoritative voice across Britain. I believe strong, sensible
    > and single leadership for Muslims is what is lacking. In this event it
    > shows to the rest of the country we don't agree with terrorism.
    > Khalid Hashmi, Luton, Bedfordshire
    > (...)
    > Those who carryout such atrocity in our society are not religious
    > people. In Islam, Christianity or any other faith killing is totally
    > forbidden. If any person commits an act of terrorism they are outside
    > and against their faith and should not be branded with the religion. The
    > holy Koran clearly states "If you kill an innocent man, it is as though
    > you have killed the entire humanity".
    > Saleem Haque, Liverpool, England
    > This letter by the Muslim Council is a wonderful step and will do much
    > to repair community relations. There is a problem in this country. It is
    > a problem for all communities and the Muslim community should be
    > applauded here for finally taking action and not setting itself apart.
    > Andrew Williams, St Albans
    > Story from BBC NEWS:
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/3586565.stm
    > Published: 2004/03/31 22:36:06 GMT
    > © BBC MMIV
    > ==========================================
    > --
    > Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
 
Old Apr 1st 2004, 2:58 am
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First off,
All the anti-Muslim sentiment is not justified because there is no such thing as a Muslim nationality. Islam is a religion, not a nationality. So, there is no country or even an organization you can direct responsibility to. It's kind of like blaming all the Catholics for all the terror that the IRA makes.
I believe that if there is a Muslim State or Nation, you won't have all this terror to begin with, because the Muslim state will not allow it first, and would punish it severly. Also, most imortantly there won't be any need for terror by any Muslims because the Muslim state will not allow their persecution anywhere in the world. Let's not forget how powerful the Ottoman and Islamic empires were at several times in history.

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Old Apr 2nd 2004, 2:58 am
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"Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
    >
    > "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are thought to
    > be of Pakistani descent. "

This UK thing was just upsetting. Like one Briton male said: "Who
would like to blow up his own country?" If you dislike a country, then
leave it. Don't blow it up. This is what I think.

Darn, I was just planning a trip to England, I guess I will not do it
since you never know when all hell breaks loose. Such a sad thing.
Great, old civilisation os Europe .. what has happened to them, what
WILL happen to them?

Eliza
 
Old Apr 2nd 2004, 6:12 am
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Should Canada ban Pakistanis?


"Mike Craney" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Abdelkarim Benoit Evans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > In article <[email protected] >,
    > > [email protected] (Anjum) wrote:
    > >
    > > > "Blackmale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3584009.stm
    > > > >
    > > > > "The suspects, aged from 17 to 32 and all British citizens, are
    > thought to
    > > > > be of Pakistani descent. "
    > > > >
    > > > > "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
    > > > > claimed
    > > > > the Muslim community was being "demonised" as a result of such raids."
    > > > >
    > > > > "The demonzing of Muslims needs no help. They are doing fine at it
    > > > > themselves."
    > > >
    > > > It has become very crucial that there now be a backlash within the
    > > > Muslim communities from the silent majority. Enough is enough! Rather
    > > > than throwing people out of Islam for things such as their rejection
    > > > of stoning death penalty of an adulterer, the majority of the Muslims
    > > > need to organize and unite against these evildoers in their midst and
    > > > throw them outside the fold of Islam in addition to a just penalty for
    > > > their crimes against humanity. What is needed is an organized
    > > > striving/struggle/movement against these evildoers who are no friend
    > > > of Islam.
    > >
    > > No doubt the naysayers in this group will not be impressed by the most
    > > recent news from Britain, but in fact, and contrary to what many in this
    > > group like to think, ordinary Muslims are concerned about terrorism and
    > > their role in combatting it, as the following report from the BBC makes
    > > clear.
    >
    > On the contrary, I was impressed, but then we got this:
    >
    > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...portaltop.html
    >
    > Mike
    >
    >
    > >
    > > ===============================================
    > >
    > > UK Muslims urged to fight terror
    > >
    > > The Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unprecedented step of
    > > writing to every mosque, urging people to help in the fight against
    > > terror.
    > >
    > > The letter asks for the "utmost vigilance" to help "safeguard" the UK.
    > >
    > > Prime Minister Tony Blair welcomed the move saying it made clear that
    > > terrorism "has nothing to do with the true message of Islam".
    > >
    > > It comes after half a ton of ammonium nitrate fertiliser - a bomb-making
    > > ingredient - was seized in London.
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > > Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens urged UK Muslims to
    > > help in the fight against terror.
    > >
    > > Speaking at the Muslim News Awards ceremony in London he promised
    > > support and appealed for help in stopping any future attacks.
    > >
    > > He said: "We rely on you to report anything you see or hear or that you
    > > might feel is suspicious.
    > >
    > > "But equally we want you tell us about any instances of Islamaphobia."
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > > 'Muslim backlash'
    > >
    > > Muslim Council Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said the decision to send the
    > > letter was made following the Madrid rail bombings of 11 March which
    > > left 191 dead. It was then redrafted to take Tuesday's arrests into
    > > account.
    > >
    > > It calls on Muslims to report any suspicious activity to the
    > > authorities.
    > >
    > > "Islam categorically forbids violence and killing of innocents, let
    > > alone indulging in violence which can cause death and mayhem," it
    > > states.
    > >
    > > Mr Bunglawala told BBC News Online: "It's also a message urging Muslims
    > > not to get downhearted - they're under massive pressure. They must be
    > > worried about recent events.
    > >
    > > "We're seeing a backlash against Muslims but Muslims must not lose
    > > heart."
    > >
    > > Sermons will be delivered on Friday saying terrorism has no place in
    > > Islam, while booklets being printed will remind Muslims of their
    > > obligation to help safeguard Britain's security.
    > >
    > > "A terrorist attack will not discriminate between Muslims and
    > > Christians", Mr Bunglawala said.
    > >
    > > "As British citizens, we have a right to help the safeguarding of this
    > > country by co-operating with police."
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > > Send us your comments using the form below.
    > >
    > > Your comments
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > > I am a Muslim and totally against violence from any quarter, be it
    > > Muslim, Jew or Christian. Terrorists must be punished as they are acting
    > > against God's law on peace, tolerance and understanding.
    > > Haluk Savas, London
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > >
    > > I am very disappointed, by the activities of these fringe elements to
    > > undermine the hard fought and gained cultural tolerance in this country.
    > > Not only is it every Muslim's duty to watch their community's activities
    > > but we all have to be vigilant and pull together. A bomb in a big city
    > > does not discriminate religion.
    > > Siltanu, London
    > >
    > > Credit must go to the MCB for this move. It is not easy for the
    > > law-abiding Muslim majority in this climate of Islamic terrorism.
    > > However this sort of action is just the sort of thing that will reassure
    > > the general public that the Muslim community is also doing all it can to
    > > combat terrorism. This in turn will help make the Muslim community as a
    > > whole feel less persecuted.
    > > Richard, London
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > >
    > > I am a Muslim and I consider myself to be a mix of the East and West
    > > culture. This can mean at times I feel ousted by both sides and fall
    > > right in the middle into no-man's land. Regardless of this predicament I
    > > will always say what I consider to be right and fair. I am pleased to
    > > hear the Muslim Council of Britain has taken the unprecedented step of
    > > making an authoritative voice across Britain. I believe strong, sensible
    > > and single leadership for Muslims is what is lacking. In this event it
    > > shows to the rest of the country we don't agree with terrorism.
    > > Khalid Hashmi, Luton, Bedfordshire
    > >
    > > (...)
    > >
    > > Those who carryout such atrocity in our society are not religious
    > > people. In Islam, Christianity or any other faith killing is totally
    > > forbidden. If any person commits an act of terrorism they are outside
    > > and against their faith and should not be branded with the religion. The
    > > holy Koran clearly states "If you kill an innocent man, it is as though
    > > you have killed the entire humanity".
    > > Saleem Haque, Liverpool, England
    > >
    > > This letter by the Muslim Council is a wonderful step and will do much
    > > to repair community relations. There is a problem in this country. It is
    > > a problem for all communities and the Muslim community should be
    > > applauded here for finally taking action and not setting itself apart.
    > > Andrew Williams, St Albans
    > >
    > > Story from BBC NEWS:
    > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/3586565.stm
    > >
    > > Published: 2004/03/31 22:36:06 GMT
    > >
    > > © BBC MMIV
    > > ==========================================
    > >
    > > --
    > > Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
 
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Default Re: British Pakistani Muslims arrested with 1/2-ton of explosives

I agree that there is an issue with muslims and terrorism. Nobody is going to believe that the recent terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. But in all religions there are people who step well beyond the boundaries normally accepted by people faithful to that religion.

I think it's naive to separate this terrorism from Islam. However, I understand most Islamic people to be peaceful.

Saying that, after the attrocities in New York 3 years ago, I was appalled by scenes of jubilation from Islamic people who couldn't have all been terrorists.

At the same time there's many people who just want to maintain their faith and integrate peacefully
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