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Originally posted by Sponsor
Hello all,
An article in today's Globe and Mail concerning the issues facing
professionals when they move to Canada.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/...uery=immigrant

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Originally posted by Jimmy
This is quite sobering news for all the enthusiastic crowd on this
forum who post the "GotIt"s. Starting at a lower position means taking
a pay cut... this is quite different from working in a whole new field
or worse doing jobs that require no more qualifications than a high
school diploma and pay a pittance.

However, I do have couple of questions..

1. Does 6+ US experience as Software Engineer along with some studies
at Masters level have any impact on Canadian employers?
2. Last month, 60,000 jobs were created in Canada, albeit with a
caveat. Most are in manufacturing sector or parttime jobs. But if the
economy grows steadily, Can it pick up the slack from the past three
years' slump in '04?

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Originally posted by Mr Lion
The Canadian govt benefits from the immigrants in any case. The new
immigrants HAVE to do something to live in this country. Canada needs
third world nationals not to fill up their white collared jobs or
other decent jobs; instead they need doctors to deliver pizzas,
engineers to pump gas, chartered accountants to do 12 hours labor job
in a factory, MBAs to do night shifts as security guard (never
thinkable in their home country) PhDs and Masters degree holders to
work in Call Centers (which is not much different from a technical
telephone operator, not allowed to breath for more than a few bubbles
of air between calls). Out of their $8-$10 hour jobs, the govt deducts
tax, as from their spendings (isn't it highly injust to tax petroleum
by 50%???). Part of this money goes to the social and other benefits
of aged people and other expenses, of course. Without immigrants'
money, the govt would not have enough money to pay for the people who
have retired and now need govt assistance. Similarly, to assist people
in the near future, govt needs fresh blood who are willing (as they
dont have any other choice) to do the hard work for menial jobs, hence
pouring money in govt pockets.

I consider it as another type of slavery. The slaves are brought from
all over the world to work here in menial jobs, irrespect of their
high degrees, qualifications and experience. The local/native
Canadians are not willing to accept new immigrants taking away their
lucrative jobs based on the superior qualifications that they bring
with them (even US experience and education is questioned in
Canada.....how ridiculous). The only difference between this slavery
and the slavery in older times is that the current slaves come here
voluntarily (as they are lured of a nice life in this country, not
telling them that this country does not recognize non-Canadian
education and experience). Also the slaves have to leave their home
countries due to poor living conditions and law and order situation
etc in their home country.

No doubt, why ppl turn towards south or else where after getting the
blue passport. How sad........

Just a thought.......

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Originally posted by Nelson
I think Andrew is correct in his assertions... I was a professional
"engineer" in the UK and now I am just a "Digital Designer", but I am
earning more money than I was in the UK.

For me to become (and call myself) an "Engineer" in Quebec I have to
take an exam in French, and I'm not at that level of french yet.

For all incoming Engineers I think the best thing you can do still is
transfer from a company in your home country, if that option is open
to you. If you're really lucky they will sponsor your
moving/immigration process too.

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Originally posted by Mr Lion
The Canadian govt benefits from the immigrants in any case. The new
immigrants HAVE to do something to live in this country. Canada needs
third world nationals not to fill up their white collared jobs or
other decent jobs; instead they need doctors to deliver pizzas,
engineers to pump gas, chartered accountants to do 12 hours labor job
in a factory, MBAs to do night shifts as security guard (never
thinkable in their home country) PhDs and Masters degree holders to
work in Call Centers (which is not much different from a technical
telephone operator, not allowed to breath for more than a few bubbles
of air between calls). Out of their $8-$10 hour jobs, the govt deducts
tax, as from their spendings (isn't it highly injust to tax petroleum
by 50%???). Part of this money goes to the social and other benefits
of aged people and other expenses, of course. Without immigrants'
money, the govt would not have enough money to pay for the people who
have retired and now need govt assistance. Similarly, to assist people
in the near future, govt needs fresh blood who are willing (as they
dont have any other choice) to do the hard work for menial jobs, hence
pouring money in govt pockets.

I consider it as another type of slavery. The slaves are brought from
all over the world to work here in menial jobs, irrespect of their
high degrees, qualifications and experience. The local/native
Canadians are not willing to accept new immigrants taking away their
lucrative jobs based on the superior qualifications that they bring
with them (even US experience and education is questioned in
Canada.....how ridiculous). The only difference between this slavery
and the slavery in older times is that the current slaves come here
voluntarily (as they are lured of a nice life in this country, not
telling them that this country does not recognize non-Canadian
education and experience). Also the slaves have to leave their home
countries due to poor living conditions and law and order situation
etc in their home country.

No doubt, why ppl turn towards south or else where after getting the
blue passport. How sad........

Just a thought.......


[email protected] (Jimmy) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > This is quite sobering news for all the enthusiastic crowd on this
    > forum who post the "GotIt"s. Starting at a lower position means taking
    > a pay cut... this is quite different from working in a whole new field
    > or worse doing jobs that require no more qualifications than a high
    > school diploma and pay a pittance.
    >
    > However, I do have couple of questions..
    >
    > 1. Does 6+ US experience as Software Engineer along with some studies
    > at Masters level have any impact on Canadian employers?
    > 2. Last month, 60,000 jobs were created in Canada, albeit with a
    > caveat. Most are in manufacturing sector or parttime jobs. But if the
    > economy grows steadily, Can it pick up the slack from the past three
    > years' slump in '04?
    >
    > [email protected] (Finite_State_Machine) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > > It is sad and is baffling, when one come down to deal with the dual
    > > personality of Canada. Its ambivalent to note that the govt is telling
    > > that they need qualified immigrants who can make Canada prosperous and
    > > at the same time one could many of these engineers driving Taxis. I
    > > recently read about one Indian software professional who moved to
    > > Vancouver from San Fransisco only to find himself working for $9 an
    > > hour in a departmental store, all the while driving a BMW that he had
    > > bought in the US. He couldnt take it anymore and returned to the US,
    > > making a solemn pledge of not returning to Canada at all. I know
    > > another Indian doctor who couldnt make it in Canada moved to the US
    > > and was able to start a successful practise in Dayton, OH.
    > >
    > > Unless, if the govt and industry, does something radical to change
    > > their attitude as to how they view landed immigrats, these kinds of
    > > incidents will continue to happen. In the long run, the beneficient
    > > immigration, after all, would not produce the benefit the govt
    > > expected it to produce. I feel they should look at their southern
    > > brethern and learn how to integrate immigrants quickly and make them
    > > productive as soon as possible.
    > >
    > > Enough of ramble!
    > >
    > >
    > > > Beware that Canadian Government Immigration accepted your degree and
    > > > experience for evaluation purpose doesn't translate into acceptance by
    > > > private industries or universities. Don't expect the private industry to
    > > > recognize your degree, experience and offer engineering position right away
    > > > after you landed in Canada.
    > > >
    > > > Engineer professionals in Canada are licensed by the respective provincial
    > > > professional engineering body. Due to lack of recognition and license, lot
    > > > of foreign trained engineers are driving taxi, delivering pizza, pumping
    > > > gas, selling insurance and performing manual labor in Canada.
    > > >
    > > > The same goes for doctor, veterinarian, dentist, doctor, etc.

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