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Old Aug 1st 2011, 11:56 pm
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So, me and my missus (USC) have pretty much had enough of the US. We've thought about heading home to the UK, but, somehow, that feels like going backwards, so we're thinking about Canada. We've been in the US for coming up on 5 years, and I've just submitted my citizenship application (with a USC wife and son, it's going to be advantageous to have it).

We've been to Canada several times, and much prefer it to the US - universal healthcare, the Queen on the money, easy availability of Wine Gums, Bounty bars and Maltesers, people who spell properly and use the metric system, while still being not much more than half a day's drive from my wife's family.

Anyway, we're probably going to go the TWP > citizenship route (I have a promise of a job with guaranteed LMO with an old colleague from the UK). But, we were wondering, is there any special immigration class for US citizens that we might be able to take advantage of once I get my citizenship? Or should we stick with the original plan?
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....soooo...why would you think US citizen should be treated differently than the rest of the world????
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Originally Posted by manitobain
....soooo...why would you think US citizen should be treated differently than the rest of the world????
I just thought there might have been some kind of agreement in place, given that the US and Canada are neighbours. No need for the defensive post.
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lol.. wasn't defensive... don't take things so serious
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Originally Posted by manitobain
lol.. wasn't defensive... don't take things so serious
Fair enough. Although there's a big box full of smileys there for that very reason.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
I just thought there might have been some kind of agreement in place, given that the US and Canada are neighbours. No need for the defensive post.
There is ... called NAFTA. Doesn't get you permanent resident but makes it easier for some professionals to get a "foot in the door".
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/sp...ness.asp#nafta
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Originally Posted by JAJ
There is ... called NAFTA. Doesn't get you permanent resident but makes it easier for some professionals to get a "foot in the door".
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/sp...ness.asp#nafta
Thank you - that's exactly the programme I was thinking of. Anyway, I've just checked out the criteria, and I don't think the job I'd be going for qualifies, unfortunately. Ah well. Back to plan A.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
Anyway, we're probably going to go the TWP > citizenship route
Don't forget you have to get PR in between, you don't go from TWP to Citizenship. Also, The T bit is temporary, to no guarantee of anything else.

(I have a promise of a job with guaranteed LMO with an old colleague from the UK).
No such thing as a guaranteed LMO, you have it or you don't, if you don't it has to be applied for and proven that there is not a Canadian or PR suitable. The HRSDC criteria must be met.
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Don't forget you have to get PR in between, you don't go from TWP to Citizenship. Also, The T bit is temporary, to no guarantee of anything else.

No such thing as a guaranteed LMO, you have it or you don't, if you don't it has to be applied for and proven that there is not a Canadian or PR suitable. The HRSDC criteria must be met.
Yep, my bad about the TWP > PR. That's what I meant, honest.

Regarding the LMO, the reason my former colleague contacted me about the possibility of a job is that there really aren't many people anywhere who have experience in a specific area of what I do. They've already tried advertising all over Canada, as well as in the international specialist press, hence the reason I think I have a strong chance of getting the LMO.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
Yep, my bad about the TWP > PR. That's what I meant, honest.
Your bad what?
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
I just thought there might have been some kind of agreement in place, given that the US and Canada are neighbours. No need for the defensive post.
There is, you stay on your side of the border and keep your hand of our oil,water, uranium, potash, gold diamond, marijuana (BC) and maple syrup reserves. Otherwise we'll persuade Celine to emigrate permanently

That's the agreement
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So, good news - my profession is on the allowed list for NAFTA.

This leads to a couple of further questions (there isn't a lot on NAFTA in the wiki):
1) If we decided to go for it and decide we like it up there, is there a path to PR?
2) Would my wife be able to work?
3) Would we qualify for the healthcare system, or would we have to take out private insurance? I suspect the latter.

It's either Canada or moving back to the UK at this point... I'm all for going home, but it'd be nice to stay on the same continent as my wife's family, so it's best that we research all our options, so all help is appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
So, good news - my profession is on the allowed list for NAFTA.

This leads to a couple of further questions (there isn't a lot on NAFTA in the wiki):
1) If we decided to go for it and decide we like it up there, is there a path to PR?
2) Would my wife be able to work?
3) Would we qualify for the healthcare system, or would we have to take out private insurance? I suspect the latter.

It's either Canada or moving back to the UK at this point... I'm all for going home, but it'd be nice to stay on the same continent as my wife's family, so it's best that we research all our options, so all help is appreciated.
1. Until you get your USC in your hot little hand you aren't eligible for NAFTA.
2. Then you need a job from an employer in Canada in your field.
3. Yes, there is CEC, which requires you to work for 2 years in Canada in a skilled profession, at which time you can apply for PR.
4. There is the Provincial Nominee Program, depending on the province or if your employer offers you a permanent position, you can apply under FSW2.
5. Yes, as you job would have to be in NOC, A, B or O.
6. Depends on the province, some you would have to wait 3 months, other e.g. Alberta, you are eligible from day 1 on a work permit.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
3) Would we qualify for the healthcare system, or would we have to take out private insurance? I suspect the latter.
I can only answer this bit. If you can legalize yourselves with some sort of work permit, you'll be covered for healthcare (after a three month wait). Private insurance doesn't come into it.

I lived in Canada for a long time with a USC, originally illegal then a permanent resident, her father's a doctor in the US so, whenever one of us was sick she'd phone home for a critique of what the doctor was doing "that's comprehensive" he'd say, "the HMO wouldn't let me order all those tests". Healthcare for the very rich is better in the US, but then, if you're very rich, you can always fly there and buy some, for the rest of us the service, at least in Ontario, is great.
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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw
So, me and my missus (USC) have pretty much had enough of the US. We've thought about heading home to the UK, but, somehow, that feels like going backwards, so we're thinking about Canada. We've been in the US for coming up on 5 years, and I've just submitted my citizenship application (with a USC wife and son, it's going to be advantageous to have it).

We've been to Canada several times, and much prefer it to the US - universal healthcare, the Queen on the money, easy availability of Wine Gums, Bounty bars and Maltesers, people who spell properly and use the metric system, while still being not much more than half a day's drive from my wife's family.

Anyway, we're probably going to go the TWP > citizenship route (I have a promise of a job with guaranteed LMO with an old colleague from the UK). But, we were wondering, is there any special immigration class for US citizens that we might be able to take advantage of once I get my citizenship? Or should we stick with the original plan?
A few things to consider which I don't think will make a difference in your choice to move to Canada but will be useful when negotiating your remuneration package.

Healthcare may be "universal" but it's not free. You won't have the whopping insurance premium but you will have all the other deductions which could work out higher.

Generally the cost of living is higher in Canada so you might want to look at costs of various necessities to see how much difference there is.

You'll have to file taxes in both the US and Canada. Your level of income and investments will depend on whether you are double taxed.

And the exchange rate isn't in your favour at the moment.

If you enter Canada under NAFTA, your wife will get an open temporary work permit but she will not be allowed to work in education nor health care.

I looked at your post about why you want to leave the US. No health care system is perfect. You will find as many Canadians complaining about the health service as loving it. Universal means everyone in the province is covered equally. It doesn't mean that everything is covered. Many employers offer supplemental health insurance.
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