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I am in the very first stages to migrating to Canada. I would like some advice on the best place with regards to job opportunities. I have a degree in Polymers Engineering. That is I can work in a plastics manufacturing factory, and rubber materials transformers or moulders, like tyres, seals, etc. I am very adaptable. For a start I would like to land in a city or town where the possibilities to find employment in my field are maximised. If you could advise me of some website or anything where I can research, it would be very much appreciated or first hand experiences are even more welcomed!
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Hello!!

I am in the very first stages to migrating to Canada. I would like some advice on the best place with regards to job opportunities. I have a degree in Polymers Engineering. That is I can work in a plastics manufacturing factory, and rubber materials transformers or moulders, like tyres, seals, etc. I am very adaptable. For a start I would like to land in a city or town where the possibilities to find employment in my field are maximised. If you could advise me of some website or anything where I can research, it would be very much appreciated or first hand experiences are even more welcomed!
Thank you very much in advance!
The area you will likely end up in from an employment view is the corridor along the 401 Highway between Windsor, London, and GTA (Greater toronto) areas of ontario, thats where a lot of the Auto industry suppliers are located, and as you know, there is a lot of injection moulded stuff in the average car. There is also a large Goodyear tire plant in Napanee a couple of hours East of Toronto.

Go to the www.cic.gc.ca website to do the "skilled worker" self assesment and determine how many points you have first before you start worrying about employment.

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The area you will likely end up in from an employment view is the corridor along the 401 Highway between Windsor, London, and GTA (Greater toronto) areas of ontario, thats where a lot of the Auto industry suppliers are located, and as you know, there is a lot of injection moulded stuff in the average car. There is also a large Goodyear tire plant in Napanee a couple of hours East of Toronto.

Go to the www.cic.gc.ca website to do the "skilled worker" self assesment and determine how many points you have first before you start worrying about employment.

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Thank you very much iaink. It is of great help. At least I have an idea of where I can start off. Actually, I don't have enough points to apply as a skilled worker, however my wife-to-be (we are getting married next 3rd of July) does qualify. We are going to apply together as a family. She is a dental hygienist and I am aware that she will have to register and seat an examination to be able to practice in Canada. However, could I ask you if this fact (having to get certifications and accreditations) also applies for engineers?
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Thank you very much iaink. It is of great help. At least I have an idea of where I can start off. Actually, I don't have enough points to apply as a skilled worker, however my wife-to-be (we are getting married next 3rd of July) does qualify. We are going to apply together as a family. She is a dental hygienist and I am aware that she will have to register and seat an examination to be able to practice in Canada. However, could I ask you if this fact (having to get certifications and accreditations) also applies for engineers?
Thank you again!

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There is not realy a clear answer to your question. If you are currently a Chartered Engineer, and wish to reach the same level of responsibility in Canada (Profesional Engineer, PEng) then you will need to register with the appropriate provincial engineering body (PEO in Ontario) In most cases they will require taking an ethics / legal exam, and will assess your qualifications and experience. However, and this is a big obsticle, In nearly all cases the frustration comes because they only recognise experience under a canadian PEng, which basically means only experience in canada counts, so for those wishing to get PEng level jobs they have to go backwards and try and find a lower level job in canada first to get experience, but there are many immigrants and new canadian grads chasing few entry level jobs. This is why you hear so many stories of highly qualified engineers driving taxis and delivering Pizza. It is hard to find that first job.

IIRC the law technically doesnt allow you to call yourself an engineer unless you are a PEng, but there are many people (myself included) working as engineers without the PEng designation. PEng is important legally for signing off on projects, start up inspection of new equipment etc, and is also a help in getting a job, as is true in most job fields.

For more info check out the Peng and PEO websites

http://www.peo.on.ca
http://www.peng.ca/

and also
http://www.cicic.ca/professions/2130en.asp
http://www.ccpe.ca/e/index.cfm

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There is not realy a clear answer to your question. If you are currently a Chartered Engineer, and wish to reach the same level of responsibility in Canada (Profesional Engineer, PEng) then you will need to register with the appropriate provincial engineering body (PEO in Ontario) In most cases they will require taking an ethics / legal exam, and will assess your qualifications and experience. However, and this is a big obsticle, In nearly all cases the frustration comes because they only recognise experience under a canadian PEng, which basically means only experience in canada counts, so for those wishing to get PEng level jobs they have to go backwards and try and find a lower level job in canada first to get experience, but there are many immigrants and new canadian grads chasing few entry level jobs. This is why you hear so many stories of highly qualified engineers driving taxis and delivering Pizza. It is hard to find that first job.

IIRC the law technically doesnt allow you to call yourself an engineer unless you are a PEng, but there are many people (myself included) working as engineers without the PEng designation. PEng is important legally for signing off on projects, start up inspection of new equipment etc, and is also a help in getting a job, as is true in most job fields.

For more info check out the Peng and PEO websites

http://www.peo.on.ca
http://www.peng.ca/

and also
http://www.cicic.ca/professions/2130en.asp
http://www.ccpe.ca/e/index.cfm

Iain

Thank you very much again Iain,

After taking a glance to the websites you reccommended me, I completely agree with what you said above. The big obstacle is the experience in Canada required to become a registered professional. It makes me wonder why the government encourages migration of overseas qualified professionals if they are going to make it hard for them to find a decent job by forcing them to register to these bodies. Perhaps there is a sensible answer but I dont really know it. I qualified in Venezuela but for different circumstances I ended up in the UK. I didnt need to register to any body. The advantage is that as Italian I dont need a work permit. I have the skills to do a good job in my field and I am contributing to the UK economy as well. I can understand the need for regulating professionals from the health sector for obvious reasons and also to some extent for civil engineers but I dont see the point to regulate the other disciplines. Perhaps I am missing something.

Can I ask you if it is really useful to get the Engineering-International Education Assessment. I know it is a personal desicion but as you have already taken the road I may take I thought you could give me your opinion.

I really thank you.

Gerardo

PS. Do you know good websites to find technical jobs in Canada? In the UK there are specialised websites for my field (polymers) there are also specialised magazines with recruitment classifieds, specialised recruitment agencies with online service, but I have found it very hard to find anything like that in Canada. Perhaps you could give me some light! not in polymers but in technical issues. Thank you.
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As I came as a skilled worker my qualifications were assessed as part of the application. Not sure if you need to do this for a spousal application, or if there is any benefit from an employment front.

As far as regulation goes, really it is not the governments fault, they have little influence over the PEng bodies, as the PEngs would not appreciate government interference, and are too powerfull for the government to sideline from a regulatory standpoint. You cant blame the bodies for restricting membership either as they exist solely to protect their members interests, and are paid for by their members for this reason. More qualified members means more competition, and lower pay. Its just very unfortunate for newcomers that this situation exists.

As far as job sites go, the usual sites for advertised jobs are workopolis.com and monster.ca, as well as the official HRDC canadian government job bank (which I have not found to offer many good technical positions), but only a very small proportion of jobs in Canada are advertised (I have heard estimates form as little as 5%, to 30%) The vast majority of jobs are filled through "networking" or by "cold calling" or speculative sending of a resume, cover letter etc. This is another major hurdle for newcommers. Its not what you know, but often who you know, and how well you can sell yourself to an organisation.

There are specialist recruitment companies out there, as I was headhunted to come to canada by one, but for your field you will have to try and find out who it is. Same goes for trade press advertisments.

Good luck

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Thank you very much again Iain,

After taking a glance to the websites you reccommended me, I completely agree with what you said above. The big obstacle is the experience in Canada required to become a registered professional. It makes me wonder why the government encourages migration of overseas qualified professionals if they are going to make it hard for them to find a decent job by forcing them to register to these bodies. Perhaps there is a sensible answer but I dont really know it. I qualified in Venezuela but for different circumstances I ended up in the UK. I didnt need to register to any body. The advantage is that as Italian I dont need a work permit. I have the skills to do a good job in my field and I am contributing to the UK economy as well. I can understand the need for regulating professionals from the health sector for obvious reasons and also to some extent for civil engineers but I dont see the point to regulate the other disciplines. Perhaps I am missing something.

Can I ask you if it is really useful to get the Engineering-International Education Assessment. I know it is a personal desicion but as you have already taken the road I may take I thought you could give me your opinion.

I really thank you.

Gerardo

PS. Do you know good websites to find technical jobs in Canada? In the UK there are specialised websites for my field (polymers) there are also specialised magazines with recruitment classifieds, specialised recruitment agencies with online service, but I have found it very hard to find anything like that in Canada. Perhaps you could give me some light! not in polymers but in technical issues. Thank you.
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As I came as a skilled worker my qualifications were assessed as part of the application. Not sure if you need to do this for a spousal application, or if there is any benefit from an employment front.

As far as regulation goes, really it is not the governments fault, they have little influence over the PEng bodies, as the PEngs would not appreciate government interference, and are too powerfull for the government to sideline from a regulatory standpoint. You cant blame the bodies for restricting membership either as they exist solely to protect their members interests, and are paid for by their members for this reason. More qualified members means more competition, and lower pay. Its just very unfortunate for newcomers that this situation exists.

As far as job sites go, the usual sites for advertised jobs are workopolis.com and monster.ca, as well as the official HRDC canadian government job bank (which I have not found to offer many good technical positions), but only a very small proportion of jobs in Canada are advertised (I have heard estimates form as little as 5%, to 30%) The vast majority of jobs are filled through "networking" or by "cold calling" or speculative sending of a resume, cover letter etc. This is another major hurdle for newcommers. Its not what you know, but often who you know, and how well you can sell yourself to an organisation.

There are specialist recruitment companies out there, as I was headhunted to come to canada by one, but for your field you will have to try and find out who it is. Same goes for trade press advertisments.

Good luck

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Thank you Iain,

I suppose it wont be easy at all but I will give it a go. You have given me many interesting and unvaluable tips and I really appreciate it.
I can see the reason for these professional associations. They were obvious!!!
Do you mind if I ask you why you chose to move to Canada from the UK?
For example I want to try Canada because I believe that in Canada the standard of life is quite high i.e. if you are employed you should be able to afford buying your own place, crime is low, there are good schools for childrens, etc. I know the weather is a big issue, but I guess we have to live with that, specially me, I dont like cold weather!! but I know I can manage it!! I was wondering if I am wrong in believing these things, thats why I asked you why you moved there!!
Anyway, thanks Iain,
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Thank you Iain,

I suppose it wont be easy at all but I will give it a go. You have given me many interesting and unvaluable tips and I really appreciate it.
I can see the reason for these professional associations. They were obvious!!!
Do you mind if I ask you why you chose to move to Canada from the UK?
For example I want to try Canada because I believe that in Canada the standard of life is quite high i.e. if you are employed you should be able to afford buying your own place, crime is low, there are good schools for childrens, etc. I know the weather is a big issue, but I guess we have to live with that, specially me, I dont like cold weather!! but I know I can manage it!! I was wondering if I am wrong in believing these things, thats why I asked you why you moved there!!
Anyway, thanks Iain,
Gerardo
If you can stick it out long enough to get a good job you are right about the quality of life, cost of property etc. I came because the opportunity arose, and I was young and single enough not to worry about possible negative things. I did not have to worry about finding a job, as I was approached by a company to come work for them, and I wasnt really thinking of leaving the UK, so I guess you could say canada chose me.

At the time in the UK I was a junior engineer..recent grad, and was not getting paid nearly enough to get close to owning a house. With the canadian salary on offer, and the relatively low cost of property in this part of canada (2 h from toronto) it was really a "no brainer" to give it a try. I came on a work permit at first, and after a year or so applied for PR. I am now a Citizen.

I too was worried about the winter, but it is really quite nice, its cold, but the sun shines a lot, and the secret is to get out there, go skiing or wahtever to avoid being a "shutin" for 5 months. I wasnt expecting summer to be so hot and humid, but thats what a/c and the beach is for.

I stay here because I enjoy the lack of rat race, having four real seasons, being able to afford an OK house, relaxed work atmosphere, laid back attitude of most canadians and the other stuff you mention. Cant comment on the schools yet. Really the only things I dont like are that no job here seems to be very secure, and employment protection laws are very weak compared to UK, and of course sometimes I miss my family in the UK, especially as the usual annual holiday allowance (outside of the statutory holidays) is only ten days per year, which takes some getting used to.

Good luck

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If you can stick it out long enough to get a good job you are right about the quality of life, cost of property etc. I came because the opportunity arose, and I was young and single enough not to worry about possible negative things. I did not have to worry about finding a job, as I was approached by a company to come work for them, and I wasnt really thinking of leaving the UK, so I guess you could say canada chose me.

At the time in the UK I was a junior engineer..recent grad, and was not getting paid nearly enough to get close to owning a house. With the canadian salary on offer, and the relatively low cost of property in this part of canada (2 h from toronto) it was really a "no brainer" to give it a try. I came on a work permit at first, and after a year or so applied for PR. I am now a Citizen.

I too was worried about the winter, but it is really quite nice, its cold, but the sun shines a lot, and the secret is to get out there, go skiing or wahtever to avoid being a "shutin" for 5 months. I wasnt expecting summer to be so hot and humid, but thats what a/c and the beach is for.

I stay here because I enjoy the lack of rat race, having four real seasons, being able to afford an OK house, relaxed work atmosphere, laid back attitude of most canadians and the other stuff you mention. Cant comment on the schools yet. Really the only things I dont like are that no job here seems to be very secure, and employment protection laws are very weak compared to UK, and of course sometimes I miss my family in the UK, especially as the usual annual holiday allowance (outside of the statutory holidays) is only ten days per year, which takes some getting used to.

Good luck

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I can just say well done mate!! I guess in Canada you dont hear very much the word mate!!
ONLY TEN DAYS PER YEAR?? Oh My God!!! I guess thats the price that has to be paid haha!!!
Thank you for sharing your experiences and describing a little bit more what I can expect from Canada!
I really appreciate it!!
If I have more questions you will hear from me again haha!! I hope you wont mind.
Best wishes.

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Hi mate.
I have to admit that me and the Mrs had a smile at the title of your post! I get the mick taken out of me all the time because I always say we're 'migrating'....

........apparently only birds migrate

Good luck with your application.
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Hi mate.
I have to admit that me and the Mrs had a smile at the title of your post! I get the mick taken out of me all the time because I always say we're 'migrating'....

........apparently only birds migrate

Good luck with your application.

Hello,
You made me laugh......I am embarrassed actually.....English is not my first language, but now I know that I dont migrate but emigrate I suppose haha!! I guess that explains why I only got kind replies from one person only and you and your wife!!! the others thougth they were dealing with some lunatic haha!!
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Would this equate to a lunatic mate?? just a joke.

One thing that you would keep in mind is that there are so many applicants for PR in Canada. These ranges from PHds, engineers, professionals down to Care givers, and mates like you`ve said. Surprisingly, there are more applying on humanitarian grounds like refugees etc. I think you are well within passing mark.

I went to a party a couple of months back. There were more than 20 people gathered and there was not a single tru-blu canadian. They all went thru the same process of waiting..

What I was trying to say here is that as a profesional, give it a try because it takes a while to get all the papers done. Before you decide to move, scout the place and feel if you can adopt. I would say with both of you can get beyond 100K mark, you would live a comfortable life in Canada.








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You made me laugh......I am embarrassed actually.....English is not my first language, but now I know that I dont migrate but emigrate I suppose haha!! I guess that explains why I only got kind replies from one person only and you and your wife!!! the others thougth they were dealing with some lunatic haha!!
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Would this equate to a lunatic mate?? just a joke.

One thing that you would keep in mind is that there are so many applicants for PR in Canada. These ranges from PHds, engineers, professionals down to Care givers, and mates like you`ve said. Surprisingly, there are more applying on humanitarian grounds like refugees etc. I think you are well within passing mark.

I went to a party a couple of months back. There were more than 20 people gathered and there was not a single tru-blu canadian. They all went thru the same process of waiting..

What I was trying to say here is that as a profesional, give it a try because it takes a while to get all the papers done. Before you decide to move, scout the place and feel if you can adopt. I would say with both of you can get beyond 100K mark, you would live a comfortable life in Canada.








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Hello,
You made me laugh......I am embarrassed actually.....English is not my first language, but now I know that I dont migrate but emigrate I suppose haha!! I guess that explains why I only got kind replies from one person only and you and your wife!!! the others thougth they were dealing with some lunatic haha!!
Cheers
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Would this equate to a lunatic mate?? just a joke.

One thing that you would keep in mind is that there are so many applicants for PR in Canada. These ranges from PHds, engineers, professionals down to Care givers, and mates like you`ve said. Surprisingly, there are more applying on humanitarian grounds like refugees etc. I think you are well within passing mark.

I went to a party a couple of months back. There were more than 20 people gathered and there was not a single tru-blu canadian. They all went thru the same process of waiting..

What I was trying to say here is that as a profesional, give it a try because it takes a while to get all the papers done. Before you decide to move, scout the place and feel if you can adopt. I would say with both of you can get beyond 100K mark, you would live a comfortable life in Canada.

Hi,
Thanks for your advice!! I very much understand what you say above with regards to tru-blu canadians. It is happening everywhere in the world I think. I do think that borders shouldnt exist at all and there should be less differences between people in terms of money....i am not a communist by the way...... and i dont know why i am talking about this haha....but i'll get back to you later.....i gotta go.....
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I dont think you can really put a dollar value on happiness without knowing where you will end up living. Property costs vary a lot depending on the area. In my bit of semi rural ontario I could live like a king on $100k!

FWIW Stats Canada has a lot of info on average houshold incomes, property prices by region / community etc etc on their website. The info can be a few years old ( so property prices have moved up a bit), but it offers an interesting comparison if you are into that type of thing.

http://www.statcan.ca/start.html
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/prof...earchForm1.cfm

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Originally posted by Redwings
Would this equate to a lunatic mate?? just a joke.

One thing that you would keep in mind is that there are so many applicants for PR in Canada. These ranges from PHds, engineers, professionals down to Care givers, and mates like you`ve said. Surprisingly, there are more applying on humanitarian grounds like refugees etc. I think you are well within passing mark.

I went to a party a couple of months back. There were more than 20 people gathered and there was not a single tru-blu canadian. They all went thru the same process of waiting..

What I was trying to say here is that as a profesional, give it a try because it takes a while to get all the papers done. Before you decide to move, scout the place and feel if you can adopt. I would say with both of you can get beyond 100K mark, you would live a comfortable life in Canada.
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