Berto Volpentes

I agree. I have determined that if you are counting on luck or odds, then you are
making a mistake. People should know the situation and be clear on consequences of
their actions.

Of course this means looking at the laws and their application. I suppose we will
only know for sure after it has been tried a few times and some OMs are out on how to
handle (no doubt with substantial input from Justice)

--
All responses IMHO and no one else's.

Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991 www.svcanada.com

321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
_________________________________________

Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2 +1(416) 892 2916
Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS ICQ): +278314250212503

"Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Berto, I agree with you here as well and I don't see any reason or even a remote
    > possibility for assessing all permanent residents meeting residency obligation as
    > of June 28. But the original poster is out of Canada since landing and will be
    > examined at least twice or three times anyway - first
time
    > during his next entry to Canada and at this time examining officer may
raise
    > the issue of not meeting residency obligation under old law, although it
is not
    > likely to happen. Second examination will occur during the PR card
application
    > if s/he decides to apply for such and the third one during citizenship application
    > when questions not only about residency requirements but also
about
    > ceasing/maintaining PR status will be examined. Of course s/he may get
lucky,
    > but it is not the point...
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    >
    > "Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Until 28th the current law is the law. No doubt about that. But under your
    > > description every resident of Canada would have to be assessed on
28
    > > JUN (or 27) to see if they meet the definition and then a report written
    > > that day.
    > >
    > > Understand your point, but it appears that after 28th it would be the
2/5
    > > rule that would determine residency.
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    > >
    > > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    > >
    > > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > > www.svcanada.com
    > >
    > > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > > _________________________________________
    > >
    > > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2 +1(416) 892
    > > 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS ICQ): +278314250212503
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Berto,
    > > >
    > > > Until June 28th the old Immigration Act is the law, isn't it? If
someone
    > > > already didn't meet residency (and other requirements, including
    > > intentions) of
    > > > the law in force at a time then how come new law coming being
implemented
    > > on
    > > > June 28 can reverse it? Is the new IRPA saying that whatever person
did or
    > > > didn't do before June 28 will not count?
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > > sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Andrew,
    > > > >
    > > > > Why do believe he should meet the residency requirement in the old
act
    > > > > before he can in the new? One section of the residency test is
clearly
    > > > > forward looking. Therefore, we may argue that it is the intention
of
    > > the
    > > > > framers that people aught to be allowed to have this leave even if
they
    > > > > enter Canada only for a short time before they leave.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    > > > >
    > > > > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    > > > >
    > > > > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > > > > www.svcanada.com
    > > > >
    > > > > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > > > > _________________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2 +1(416)
    > > > > 892 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS ICQ):
    > > > > +278314250212503
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Until June 28 the old Immigration Act with all it's rules still
    > > applies.
    > > > > So, if
    > > > > > you resided in Canada for only 5 months so far and you don't have
    > > valid
    > > > > RRP (as
    > > > > > you are posting from US) then you didn't meet residency
requirements
    > > > > already.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > >
    > > > > > ../..
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > > > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > > > > sending email)
    > > > > > ________________________________
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Can-PR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > Hello Sir,
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I landed in July 2001. I have lived in canada for 5 months only.
To
    > > > > > > meet the Residency obligation I need to live one more month (as
per
    > > > > > > old Rule 183 days).
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > But As per your comment (New Law), As long as I have that 2 year period
    > > > > > > of time within my 5 year(Right from the day I landed)
period
    > > ,
    > > > > > > I will still be able to meet the residency obligation.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > So in this scenario, As per old law I fail but as per new Law I
am
    > > > > > > fine. Am I Right?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Thanks for all your help
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:<[email protected]> ...
    > > > > > > > Firstly, though moot, just because you were here for six
months
    > > does
    > > > > not
    > > > > > > > mean you can leave. There was/is a lot more to residence than
    > > number
    > > > > of
    > > > > > > > days in Canada.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > With the new rules you must be able to meet the residency
    > > requirement
    > > > > 2 out
    > > > > > > > of 5 years of physical residence. So if you decide to leave
now,
    > > you
    > > > > > should
    > > > > > > > make sure that by the time you come back you will still have
    > > enough
    > > > > time to
    > > > > > > > make 2 years in Canada.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > > > > > > > www.svcanada.com
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > > > > > > > _________________________________________
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2
    > > > > > > > +1(416) 892 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS
    > > > > > > > ICQ): +278314250212503
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > "VM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > > > Hi, Could one of the experts please clarify the new rules
for
    > > > > meeting
    > > > > > > > > the residency requirement?
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > I've been in Canada for over six months. I could now leave
under
    > > the
    > > > > > > > > old rules.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > However, under the new rules, if I leave now and come back
in
    > > one
    > > > > > > > > month, how will the officer assess that I am likely to meet
the
    > > 2
    > > > > out
    > > > > > > > > of 5 requirement in the future? Isn't that even more
subjective
    > > than
    > > > > > > > > before? M.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > > VM
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >

Andrew Miller

Ditto here...

--

../..

Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
sending email)
________________________________

"Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I agree. I have determined that if you are counting on luck or odds, then you are
    > making a mistake. People should know the situation and be clear on consequences of
    > their actions.
    >
    > Of course this means looking at the laws and their application. I suppose we will
    > only know for sure after it has been tried a few times and some OMs are out on how
    > to handle (no doubt with substantial input from Justice)
    >
    > --
    > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    >
    > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    >
    > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > www.svcanada.com
    >
    > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > _________________________________________
    >
    > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2 +1(416) 892
    > 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS ICQ): +278314250212503
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Berto, I agree with you here as well and I don't see any reason or even a remote
    > > possibility for assessing all permanent residents meeting residency obligation as
    > > of June 28. But the original poster is out of Canada since landing and will be
    > > examined at least twice or three times anyway - first
    > time
    > > during his next entry to Canada and at this time examining officer may
    > raise
    > > the issue of not meeting residency obligation under old law, although it
    > is not
    > > likely to happen. Second examination will occur during the PR card
    > application
    > > if s/he decides to apply for such and the third one during citizenship
    > > application when questions not only about residency requirements but also
    > about
    > > ceasing/maintaining PR status will be examined. Of course s/he may get
    > lucky,
    > > but it is not the point...
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Until 28th the current law is the law. No doubt about that. But under your
    > > > description every resident of Canada would have to be assessed on
    > 28
    > > > JUN (or 27) to see if they meet the definition and then a report written that
    > > > day.
    > > >
    > > > Understand your point, but it appears that after 28th it would be the
    > 2/5
    > > > rule that would determine residency.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    > > >
    > > > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    > > >
    > > > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > > > www.svcanada.com
    > > >
    > > > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > > > _________________________________________
    > > >
    > > > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2 +1(416) 892
    > > > 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS ICQ): +278314250212503
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Berto,
    > > > >
    > > > > Until June 28th the old Immigration Act is the law, isn't it? If
    > someone
    > > > > already didn't meet residency (and other requirements, including
    > > > intentions) of
    > > > > the law in force at a time then how come new law coming being
    > implemented
    > > > on
    > > > > June 28 can reverse it? Is the new IRPA saying that whatever person
    > did or
    > > > > didn't do before June 28 will not count?
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > > > sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > Andrew,
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Why do believe he should meet the residency requirement in the old
    > act
    > > > > > before he can in the new? One section of the residency test is
    > clearly
    > > > > > forward looking. Therefore, we may argue that it is the intention
    > of
    > > > the
    > > > > > framers that people aught to be allowed to have this leave even if
    > they
    > > > > > enter Canada only for a short time before they leave.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > --
    > > > > > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > > > > > www.svcanada.com
    > > > > >
    > > > > > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > > > > > _________________________________________
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2 +1(416)
    > > > > > 892 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS ICQ):
    > > > > > +278314250212503
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > Until June 28 the old Immigration Act with all it's rules still
    > > > applies.
    > > > > > So, if
    > > > > > > you resided in Canada for only 5 months so far and you don't have
    > > > valid
    > > > > > RRP (as
    > > > > > > you are posting from US) then you didn't meet residency
    > requirements
    > > > > > already.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > ../..
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > > > > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address
    > > > > > > before sending email)
    > > > > > > ________________________________
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > "Can-PR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > > Hello Sir,
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > I landed in July 2001. I have lived in canada for 5 months only.
    > To
    > > > > > > > meet the Residency obligation I need to live one more month (as
    > per
    > > > > > > > old Rule 183 days).
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > But As per your comment (New Law), As long as I have that 2 year period
    > > > > > > > of time within my 5 year(Right from the day I landed)
    > period
    > > > ,
    > > > > > > > I will still be able to meet the residency obligation.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > So in this scenario, As per old law I fail but as per new Law I
    > am
    > > > > > > > fine. Am I Right?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Thanks for all your help
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > "Berto Volpentesta" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:<[email protected]> ...
    > > > > > > > > Firstly, though moot, just because you were here for six
    > months
    > > > does
    > > > > > not
    > > > > > > > > mean you can leave. There was/is a lot more to residence than
    > > > number
    > > > > > of
    > > > > > > > > days in Canada.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > With the new rules you must be able to meet the residency
    > > > requirement
    > > > > > 2 out
    > > > > > > > > of 5 years of physical residence. So if you decide to leave
    > now,
    > > > you
    > > > > > > should
    > > > > > > > > make sure that by the time you come back you will still have
    > > > enough
    > > > > > time to
    > > > > > > > > make 2 years in Canada.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > > All responses IMHO and no one else's.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Berto Volpentesta Member OPIC, Director OPIC
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving People Around the World Since 1991
    > > > > > > > > www.svcanada.com
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > 321-3701 Chesswood Dr., Toronto, ON M3J 2P6 Canada
    > > > > > > > > _________________________________________
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Berto Volpentesta +1(416) 398 8882 Office +1(416) 787 0612 Office 2
    > > > > > > > > +1(416) 892 2916 Cell e-mail: [email protected] ICQ#: 50212503 SMS
    > > > > > > > > ICQ): +278314250212503
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > "VM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > > > > Hi, Could one of the experts please clarify the new rules
    > for
    > > > > > meeting
    > > > > > > > > > the residency requirement?
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > I've been in Canada for over six months. I could now leave
    > under
    > > > the
    > > > > > > > > > old rules.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > However, under the new rules, if I leave now and come back
    > in
    > > > one
    > > > > > > > > > month, how will the officer assess that I am likely to meet
    > the
    > > > 2
    > > > > > out
    > > > > > > > > > of 5 requirement in the future? Isn't that even more
    > subjective
    > > > than
    > > > > > > > > > before? M.
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > > > > VM
    > > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >