*Warning: ETA issues

Old Jan 8th 2017, 8:22 pm
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
Has he got an IEC or a 'proper' work permit?
IEC and has just started PR paperwork
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Originally Posted by CanadianInGasgow
Because he has a valid 2yr Canadian visa. It states on the cbsa website tha eta is not required if you have a visa or are a citizen. This was confirmed by cbsa in Vancouver airport when we landed
If you asked CBSA if people with visas need an eTA, they would correctly answer no. That's a separate question from whether or not your boyfriend has a visa, which he does not.

If your boyfriend's letter of introduction for his work permit (a crucial distinction, and one where the difference actually matters now people are making this mistake) was issued after August 2015, it included an eTA. If it was issued before then, it did not include an eTA, and if he changed his passport, any existing eTA became invalid. Nevertheless, everyone flying into Canada (apart from citizens, Permanent Residents, Americans, and people with travel visas) must have an eTA.

All the information I've seen on the CIC website is accurate (eg people with visas don't need one). The problem is, people wrongly saying they have a visa when they don't (I'm pretty sure as things stand, IEC is only available to visa exempt countries, which basically means if a person is on IEC, they cannot have a visa - the only way to get one is a Temporary Resident Visa to overcome inadmissibility, and the inadmissibility would mean they don't get an IEC, so they don't need the TRV).
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Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
If you asked CBSA if people with visas need an eTA, they would correctly answer no. That's a separate question from whether or not your boyfriend has a visa, which he does not.

If your boyfriend's letter of introduction for his work permit (a crucial distinction, and one where the difference actually matters now people are making this mistake) was issued after August 2015, it included an eTA. If it was issued before then, it did not include an eTA, and if he changed his passport, any existing eTA became invalid. Nevertheless, everyone flying into Canada (apart from citizens, Permanent Residents, Americans, and people with travel visas) must have an eTA.

All the information I've seen on the CIC website is accurate (eg people with visas don't need one). The problem is, people wrongly saying they have a visa when they don't (I'm pretty sure as things stand, IEC is only available to visa exempt countries, which basically means if a person is on IEC, they cannot have a visa - the only way to get one is a Temporary Resident Visa to overcome inadmissibility, and the inadmissibility would mean they don't get an IEC, so they don't need the TRV).
He handed the cbsa officer his passport (docs were stapled inside 6mths ago when we entered Canada) and asked if he needed an eta, after looking at his docs cbsa said no and asked why he had applied for one. Discussion followed with 2 cbsa officers about what had happened, the airline rep was then called over.
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If it did happen just like that, they were wrong, although I can still see how they might have got there (well, two ways - the simpler one is they were just wrong). Most people with that paperwork inside would have been automatically issued an eTA as part of their application, so wouldn't need to apply for one separately.

Either way, the airline was right, he couldn't board the plane without an eTA.
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As I said eta is part of work permits, therefore he did not need to apply for an eta. So we weren't wrong.

But as people on the website have said immigration in Vancouver, website, and the airline manager were all wrong might just be best to remove this post.
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Default Re: *Warning: ETA issues

Originally Posted by CanadianInGasgow
Ok well as immigration in Vancouver, website, and the airline manager were all wrong might just be best to remove this post.
We weren't at passport control or with the airline manager, but the website you're invoking is actually correct. People with visas don't need eTAs. Your boyfriend doesn't have a visa, he has a work permit. He needs an eTA.

As I said before, an eTA would normally be issued as part of the letter of introduction, if the letter was issued after August 2015, but become invalidated if he changed his passport.
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The website I involved states etas are part of permits issued after the August deadline

Was just trying to highlight despite having the correct paperwork he was forced to apply for an eta, clearly I didn't put it eloquently enough.
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Did anyone think to check the status of the eTA by using this link

https://onlineservices-servicesenlig...296.1483282173

The link above is found on this page of the CIC website
Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA)

Who introduced the eTA? CIC now known as IRCC
Who determined what the legislation would be and the rolling out of eTA? IRCC.
Who suspended the implementation of eTA? IRCC
Who introduced the leniency period for eTA? IRCC
Who works at a POE? CBSA officers.

Anybody seeing a pattern?

Taken from the CIC website
Note: Although foreign nationals who are exempt from the requirement of a temporary resident visa may apply for a work permit at a POE, if they are travelling to Canada by air, they will need to apply for and obtain an electronic travel authorization (eTA) in order to board their flight to Canada. At the air port of entry, when their work permit is issued, they will also be automatically issued a new eTA with a new validity date.

Also taken from the CIC website
How will the eTA requirement be enforced?
eTA will be enforced using CBSA IAPI system.

Unlike a temporary resident visa, no counterfoil will be provided to an applicant upon approval of an eTA. Therefore, there is no official physical proof of the presence or validity of an eTA. Air carriers will therefore use the CBSA IAPI system to confirm that an IRCC authorization to travel (visa or eTA) is linked to the traveller’s passport.

IAPI is an enhancement to the CBSA API/PNR program. It automates a previously manual process and requires air carriers to submit traveller API earlier (at check-in instead of takeoff). Air carriers will conduct their usual check-in procedures, which will now initiate an automated query in IAPI using the traveller’s passport number and country of issuance. Before a boarding pass can be printed, IAPI must provide a “board” message to the air carrier.

I might have mentioned on here once or twice how badly eTA was introduced and implemented.

OP did you apply for a new eTA in Manilla? If so then OK. If not then check the website link I posted about check your eTA status to see what it says.

BTW Im no longer working at a POE nor am I expected to return but I still work for CBSA and still keep up to date as my new job still requires that knowledge plus a shit load of other new IRCC legislation which CBSA officers do on behalf of IRCC lol.

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Default Re: *Warning: ETA issues

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Did anyone think to check the status of the eTA by using this link

https://onlineservices-servicesenlig...296.1483282173

The link above is found on this page of the CIC website
Electronic Travel Authorization (eTA)

Who introduced the eTA? CIC now known as IRCC
Who determined what the legislation would be and the rolling out of eTA? IRCC.
Who suspended the implementation of eTA? IRCC
Who introduced the leniency period for eTA? IRCC
Who works at a POE? CBSA officers.

Anybody seeing a pattern?

Taken from the CIC website
Note: Although foreign nationals who are exempt from the requirement of a temporary resident visa may apply for a work permit at a POE, if they are travelling to Canada by air, they will need to apply for and obtain an electronic travel authorization (eTA) in order to board their flight to Canada. At the air port of entry, when their work permit is issued, they will also be automatically issued a new eTA with a new validity date.

Also taken from the CIC website
How will the eTA requirement be enforced?
eTA will be enforced using CBSA IAPI system.

Unlike a temporary resident visa, no counterfoil will be provided to an applicant upon approval of an eTA. Therefore, there is no official physical proof of the presence or validity of an eTA. Air carriers will therefore use the CBSA IAPI system to confirm that an IRCC authorization to travel (visa or eTA) is linked to the traveller’s passport.

IAPI is an enhancement to the CBSA API/PNR program. It automates a previously manual process and requires air carriers to submit traveller API earlier (at check-in instead of takeoff). Air carriers will conduct their usual check-in procedures, which will now initiate an automated query in IAPI using the traveller’s passport number and country of issuance. Before a boarding pass can be printed, IAPI must provide a “board” message to the air carrier.

I might have mentioned on here once or twice how badly eTA was introduced and implemented.

OP did you apply for a new eTA in Manilla? If so then OK. If not then check the website link I posted about check your eTA status to see what it says.
in the end he had to apply for one or they wouldn't let him on, CBSA in vancouver confirmed he has already had a valid one as it was part of his issued permit
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Originally Posted by CanadianInGasgow
in the end he had to apply for one or they wouldn't let him on, CBSA in vancouver confirmed he has already had a valid one as it was part of his issued permit
So the problem was with the airline then. Possibly computers not speaking to each other.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
So the problem was with the airline then. Possibly computers not speaking to each other.
Could be, just wanted to let anyone traveling through Manila they may run into issues despite having the correct paperwork
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Thanks of highlighting this, and for the link FL. I had been hoping that the ETA was issued at the same time as my work permit but seems I need to do some digging and make sure.
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Thanks of highlighting this, and for the link FL. I had been hoping that the ETA was issued at the same time as my work permit but seems I need to do some digging and make sure.
Yes eTA is a separate authorization. The fact that you have a WP doesn't necessarily mean you have an eTA. It's prudent to check. Remember also that eTA is passport specific.
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Yes eTA is a separate authorization. The fact that you have a WP doesn't necessarily mean you have an eTA. It's prudent to check. Remember also that eTA is passport specific.
Like the OP I was working on the basis of the information provided on the website that ETAs were automatically done for you when a work permit was issued after August 2016.
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Like the OP I was working on the basis of the information provided on the website that ETAs were automatically done for you when a work permit was issued after August 2016.
Have you used the eTA check status tool? https://onlineservices-servicesenlig...457.1481126940
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