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Why do I feel a rural hungary part 2 coming on?

Old Aug 11th 2014, 11:28 pm
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Now the scary bits! Considering it's age, not actually too bad and loads of character but a huge undertaking though it could be worth the effort
IMO The old ways of building - adobe, rammed earth etc. were done, not because they were necessarily good but these were the materials to hand locally. They were never intended to last 100s of years, they were cheap enough for a generation or 2 with the timbers salvaged for/by the grandchildren. Construction in the days of the horse and cart (= pre WW1) meant using any materials that were local (= 1/2 a day round trip max by horse and cart)

The exception of course was the Cathedral where expense was not such a consideration.

Given the opportunity of this building I would look carefully at creating a sympathetic (to the surroundings) building to a standard with modern materials and design that does not need heating and is cool in the summer. It may well be no more expensive viewed over 15-20 years and energy costs than 'restoring' the existing and will certainly give a lot less problems in the future.

It may be worth remembering that adobe and like constructions, as far as I have seen, are almost impossible to mortgage, perhaps a thought for the future resale.

There is a reason its cheap!
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Old Aug 11th 2014, 11:51 pm
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IMO The old ways of building - adobe, rammed earth etc. were done, not because they were necessarily good but these were the materials to hand locally. They were never intended to last 100s of years, they were cheap enough for a generation or 2 with the timbers salvaged for/by the grandchildren. Construction in the days of the horse and cart (= pre WW1) meant using any materials that were local (= 1/2 a day round trip max by horse and cart)

The exception of course was the Cathedral where expense was not such a consideration.

Given the opportunity of this building I would look carefully at creating a sympathetic (to the surroundings) building to a standard with modern materials and design that does not need heating and is cool in the summer. It may well be no more expensive viewed over 15-20 years and energy costs than 'restoring' the existing and will certainly give a lot less problems in the future.

It may be worth remembering that adobe and like constructions, as far as I have seen, are almost impossible to mortgage, perhaps a thought for the future resale.

There is a reason its cheap!
Adobe is excellent at insulating and creates a healthier internal environment due to the breathability of the material. Having renovated several adobe houses, I know the cons only too well however, if maintained correctly, they will last as long as conventional materials - there are examples dating back over 1,000 years which are still stucturally sound. So it would be a case of knowing exactly what we would be taking on and that's the worrying part
Mortgages can be obtained in the UK though not sure about Hungary so will trust your suggestion that they are impossible and definitely something to consider.
The price is actually about right as the seller is selling it as a plot and thinks I'm completely mad even contemplating restoring it It does offer a nice size footprint but just the mention of concrete has me running a mile Peter
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Now the scary bits! Considering it's age, not actually too bad and loads of character but a huge undertaking though it could be worth the effort

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Congratulation's I sure at the end of all the work your dream will come true as with all of us good look in the re-build, I my self may be stepping forward to new project but first must complete the sale digger47
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Ragweed is like poppies - only grows on disturbed ground, so the fact that there is none in the meadow would mean that the wild boar have not done much digging there
I think I have sometimes had wild boar on my land but the creatures that disturb it the most are ants, closely followed by moles. I think this year the very heavy rain has also disturbed the soil, as I'm getting ragweed in new places where there is no evidence of ant, mole or pig activity. There was also far more in the field next to my land. Usually it is concentrated at the field margins but this year it was coming up in clumps dotted about all over the field, in among the cereal crop.
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Re getting a mortgage on an adobe house, we did last year. We had to jump through more than a few hoops but that was down to our work situations, not the construction material.
We were also told by the vendors that the house was about 50 years old. However, our next door neighbour recently told us that her father was born here in 1912!!
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Re getting a mortgage on an adobe house, we did last year. We had to jump through more than a few hoops but that was down to our work situations, not the construction material.
We were also told by the vendors that the house was about 50 years old. However, our next door neighbour recently told us that her father was born here in 1912!!
Thanks Paul, that's reassuring - was it a mainstream lender? I know they can be mortgaged in the UK, without too many issues, though a specialist survey is required.

1912 sounds about right, I haven't come across one which is less than 80 years old, the majority to seem to be about 90-120 years old.
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A friend of mine is trying to sell his house (near Pecs) and has lost 2 prospective purchasers because the mortgages companies backed out when they saw the house was part adobe construction, so guess it depends on areas and lenders
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We got our mortgage through FHB bank. My wife says that it was a special package put together especially for us and not an "off the shelf" mortgage due to our work situations.
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Must be a bargain if it includes a scythe and a ladder

Looking forward to the next part.
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That scythe is used to this day cutting the grass!

Witnessing another collapsed adobe house today makes me both realise how well preserved this one is but also reinforces the potential future issues
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That scythe is used to this day cutting the grass!

Witnessing another collapsed adobe house today makes me both realise how well preserved this one is but also reinforces the potential future issues
Today I spotted a scythe in my father-in-laws shed. Doubt he has used it for a while but he's definitely used today his home made 30 year old wheelbarrow .... will post a pic of it next few days.

Have you thought of getting a TV production company involved? I'd think Sarah Beeny would be really interested ....
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Have you thought of getting a TV production company involved?
Grand Designs Could be alive and well and living in Zala
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Haha, now that would give the haters something to talk about!

Actually.... I did watch an episode of Grand designs Australia, they built an two storey four bed house out of adobe Admittedly, the climate was better for it there.

Will post some picks of the collapsed house tomorrow and another to show what happens if you put concrete floors in an adobe house!

Had a chat with my eldest today and she just kept shaking her head in dismay. I don't know if it was the inserting a load bearing framework into the existing building or just the fact that she thinks I'm completely bonkers to consider another project.
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Interesting reading, I bought a mud wall house and then set to doing it up ..... bit of a challenge, but have repaired the cracked wall where a window was falling out It is all done now took a while; especially when negotiating with local builders, we have completed the outside and it looks great. Don't be put off by these type of cottages they are great to live in and ours is in Tarcal with a couple of wineries up the road. Heaps of wine moments
We are going over to finish off the property next summer and am looking forward to it
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Hi Rural Kiwi, good luck with finishing your project and so long as it's lept water tight, you should enjoy it for many years to come.

Sadly, we get to hear all to often of horror stories and they tend to always tend to be either properties that were too far gone or had been worked on using the wrong materials.

A few photos of examples of both. One hadn't been kept watertight and the adobe failed. The other, a lot of money was spent renovating the property and initially it would have looked lovely however, moisture is now being pushed up the walls, in every room, due to the concrete floors and the cement render is trapping the moisture and causing damage to the bottom of the earth walls - there is also evidence of destabilisation.
A greater concern are properties which are dry lined and problems like these are simply hidden out of sight until the damage is severe.

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