WE ARE THINKING OF MOVING TO HUNGARY
HI TO EVERYONE, WE ARE NEW ON HERE !!! WE HAVE JOINED TO FIND OUT FIRST HAND SOME QUESTIONS WE HAVE ABOUT LIVING IN HUNGARY, WE HAVE HAD A FEW SORT STAY WEEKENDS IN HUNGARY, OUR LAST VIST WAS ONLY 2 WEEKS AGO WERE WE STAYED IN A B/B 20 MILES NORTH-EAST FROM BUDAPEST, WE WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY THE COUNTRY AS COME ON IN THE LAST 5 YEARS. WE ARE CONSIDERING MOVING THERE. OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS I WILL BE POSTING MANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, SO I WOULD BE MOST GREATFUL IF YOU ALL WOULD BE SO KIND & LET US KNOW FIRST HAND (GOOD & BAD) THINGS ABOUT THE COUNTRY
MANY THANKS DARREN:thumbsup: |
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hi welcome to the forum
any questions you have just ask as we all like to help new people. it is a lovely country but if you read most of the hungarian forum it may help you with some questions already |
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THANKS FOR SUCH A WARM WELCOME !! I AM READING NEW TOPICS EVERY DAY. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS ARE WE BEST TO LOOK ON THE WEB FOR PROPERTY OR ARE WE BEST TO WAIT FOR OUR NEXT TRIP AND TRY TO FING SOMETHING OURSELF. AS IV BEEN TOLD THAT MANY AGENTS ON THE WEB TRY PUTTING THE PRICE UP WHEN YOU CONTACT THEM FROM THE UK, ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE MOST WELCOME
THANKS DARREN |
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hi
when we started looking i spent a year on the web looking at each area and prices. i personaly found the local hungarian sites a lot better the the german ones. once we had decided on the area i emailed the estate agents and lines up 20 viewings for the two weeks we were over here. 18 of them were ruled out very quickly 19 and 20 we viewed twice and before we went home we had bought a house. so yes do a lot of work on the web first. hope this helps |
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HI THANKS FOR YOUR HELP, WHAT AREAS OFFER THE BEST VALUE FOR MONEY, ALSO WHAT ARE THE BAD AREAS THAT WE SHOULD AVOID,
THANKS DARREN |
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Hi Darren and welcome to BE and the Hungarian forum
If you haven't done so already, you might like to visit the Welcome Inn for lots of useful information on using the site. If you need any assistance, there are always moderators and concierges about who are more than happy to help, I am the concierge for the Hungarian forum and you can contact me here When you say "bad areas" do you have an idea in general of whereabouts in Hungary you intend moving to? There are a number of expats in and around Lake Balaton area (not literally in the lake, except when it's 30+;) but there are also expats in most areas of Hungary as far and wide as Kecskemet, Szeged, Budapest, Eger and in the North. I think you need to research and if possible, visit the different regions before deciding where to buy. Do you know what you are looking? Near a lake; in the countryside; mountains; in a holiday resort; in a town; new build; renevation project etc If you can give us a bit more detail, I am sure folks will be more than willing to offer suggestions :thumbsup: Good luck with whatever you do an I hope you find the forums useful. Rural |
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SORRY FOR NOT COMING ACROSS VERY CLEAR, ME AND THE WIFE BREED & SHOW DOGS. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A HOUSE AT LEAST 2 BEDROOM WITH AT LEST 12.000 metre GARDEN, WE DON,T MIND DOING MINOR WORK ON A PROPERTY BUT NOT TO MUCH !!. WE DON,T WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY AS IT IS NOT SUITABLE WITH THE DOGS. WHEN I SAID IN A RECENT MESSAGE ABOUT BAD AREAS, I MENT AREAS TO KEEP AWAY FROM AS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE ARE SOME NOT SO NICE AREAS !! BUT THAT MAYBE JUST PEOPLE HAVING A DIFFRENCE OF CHOICE. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO FIND THE BEST AREAS FOR VALUE FOR MONEY ON PROPERTY. THE LAKE AREA DOES LOOK VERY NICE AND WE WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THE DOGS ARUN ALONG THE MILES OF SANDY BEACH, BUT WE DON,T MIND FINDING OTHER GOOD AREAS, SO PLEASE DO RECOMMEND ANY GOOD PLACES ALSO PLEASE LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY AREAS TO KEEP AWAY FROM. ANY INFORMATION IS GREATLY RECIVED.
MANY THANKS DARREN |
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Hi Darren, absolutely no need to apologise, I sometimes have great difficulty making myself understood ;) Especially if it's in Hungarian:D
There are a couple of expats already in the Balaton area, who breed and show dogs. I do know that a British run dog kennels had to close recently due to, from what I have been told, complaints by the neighbours, so I am thinking an end of village property or a village in which the houses aren't too close together (which is usually the case in Hungary). With regards to "bad" areas, this is a difficult one for me :unsure: as Hungarian "bad areas" usually translates to areas with a high Roma population and as I am pro Roma; my opinion is, unapologetically, biased. Moreso, seeing as I have just secured a visit to our village by a Roma Initiative foundation which is funded by an American philanthropist and we are hoping that it will be the first step towards building a recreational for the Roma. :thumbsup: That said, unless you have a real interest in or affinity for the Roma, it is probably best to avoid villages which have an extremely high population as otherwise you may feel a bit intimidated by their culture. However, all of the expats I know, some living in villages with high Roma populations, have never experienced any problems, if you show them respect, the majority will respect you. If you have the time, read through some of my blog for the past year, you might find it interesting. The East and North of Hungary has a far higher concentration of Roma and from what I have been told, it is more impoverished than the West. However, there are supposed to be quite stunning areas around Eger though I personally have not been before. Then you have the flatter areas of the South or the "Southern Plains" which we avoided due to the high ragweed pollen levels and of course, it's flat so not our cup of tea. Around Pecs is nice, though of course further from the airport and some of the villages can feel a bit isolated, if you have time to look at my blog, there is a link on the right handside to an eco blog which is written by a couple who live near Pecs. In the Balaton region, if you don't mind being 15-20 minutes drive from the lake (which doesn't have long stretches of sandy beach, the sandy parts are usually classes as "strands" and off limit to dogs, though it does have miles of lakeside paths and grassy banks) you can pick up village properties for as little as 12,000 euro (requiring some modernisation etc) up to 40-50,000 euro (ready to move into). However, if you meant that you need 12,000 sqm of land (about 3 acres) you will have to buy in a rural village as the typical Hungarian property has between 1-3,000 sqm of land. I know of a couple that have adjacent fields for sale which would bring the land close to this size. Apart from this, the only properties I have have seen with that amount of land, tend to be in the South and are usually Tanyas (farmhouses) and thus have more land. I hope this helps a bit and if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask :D |
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hi
rural is quite right about the beaches or strands and most you have to pay to use and bathe in the lake. and no dogs allowed. other bits of the lake dont give big runs for dogs and dogs are banned from 1st may till the end of september, but you can walk dogs on a leash. you would do better as rural said to get a trpical hungarian property which has more land and give your dogs a run in the country. but one word of warning. during the shooting season dont take the dogs out as you never know what they might shoot. also in big farming areas they do put poison down for foxes in the late summer but our council do warn us so people keep their pets in for a few weeks. |
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THANKS ALOT FOR THIS INFORMATION. THIS IS ONE THING THAT NO ONE AS TOLD US ABOUT, IS THERE A SET TIME OF YEAR THE SHOOTING TAKES PLACE ALSO HOW LONG DOES IT LAST FOR ?? DOES IT ONLY TAKE PLACE IN SET AREAS OR IS IT ACROSS THE WHOLE OF HUNGARY?? ANY MORE INFORMATION ON THIS MOST WELCOME. FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD AND WHAT IVE SEEN ON HERE I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO BUY A PROPERTY JUST OUTSIDE A VALLAGE WERE WE WOULD BE WITHIN A SORT DISTANCE OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE BUT ALSO HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE FOR OUR DOGS, THIS WAY WE WOULD NOT BE UPSETTING ANYONE WITH THE DOGS. ME AND THE WIFE THEN CAN HAVE A SORT WALK OR DRIVE INTO THE VILLAGE TO SEE LOCALS FOR FRIENDSHIP AND A COFFEE. ME AND THE WIFE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SPEEK HUGARIAN SO WE MUST KEEP WELL INTOUCH WITH THE LOCALS. AS WE ARE MOVING INTO THERE COUNTRY SO WE WOULD MAKE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO BE PART OF THERE OF THERE WAY OF LIFE. EVERYDAY I AM CLICKING ONTO NEW THREADS ON HERE AND LEARNING SO MUCH THAT WE DID NOT KNOW.
THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THE HELP DARREN |
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Hi Darren, I would say in a village rather than an isolated property, it is difficult enough to integrate (especially with the language) and if you are "out of the village" you are likely to struggle. End of village or end of street properties would likely suffice as they tend to have more land. Of course, if you are going for the Tanya option, you will find many of these, due to their original use, are not set within villages.
In the more rural villages, most houses have dogs, so as long as they are not too noisy, most villagers wont mind. How much land is it that you are looking for? |
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I SAID IN ONE OF MY NOTES THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR 12.000 meters, THIS IS A MISTAKE AS WE ARE LOOKING TO GET A GARDEN SIZE OF min 1.200 meter, IM SO SORRY FOR THE CONFUSSION.
THANKS DARREN |
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hi
most village houses have more than 1.200 sqm of land and most older ones have several out buildings. going back to the sooting, yes they do have a season but i dont have any info on when it is. all i know is when we drove past three deer that had been shot i had to look the way and then get my tissues out. i am sure it was late autumn. |
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Hi Darren, as Hotpot said and as I mentioned before, most village houses have large plots, usually in excess of 2,000 sqm so you won't have any problems there.
Naturally, you will have to find somewhere that doesn't have neighbours directly adjacent or you may have problems. What type of dogs do you breed? With regards to shooting, you should of course be aware of it but I think the problem is more with stray dogs, so long as your dogs aren't left to run free, I wouldn't worry. If a hunter sees a dog, they won't shoot on sight, they will check to see whether there is an owner nearby. |
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HI EVERYONE THANKS FOR YOUR HELP AND ADDVICE ON THIS MATTER. IT IS MOST HELPFULL. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE HUNTING SEASON e.g HOW LONG IT LASTS e.t.c THE DOG I SHOW ARE DOGUE DE BORDEAUX (french mastiff) THESE ARE BIG STRONG DOGS 60-85k.g:ohmy:, HOW EASY IS IT TO GET SKY SPORTS IN HUNGARY ?? AS I LOVE WATCHING MY FOOTBALL
THANKS DARREN |
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Hi Darren, to the best of my knowledge (my neighbours are hunters) wild boar is all year, roe deer is April to September and fallow deer is October to December, so basically there is hunting all year round.
With the breed of dog you have then I would take heed of what Hotpot says as I know, in my area anyhow, any type of mastiff or rottweiler - without an owner in sight, would be shot purely out of fear. There are a lot of irresponsible owners of large powerful dogs which has understandably, created a wariness of them. You would definitely be better with an end of village house. :thumbup: Yes, sky isn't a problem here, there is a thread on it somewhere, I will try and find it for you.:) |
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HI,
I lived in Budapest Hungary for two years 2002-2004. I studied at Budapest Business School. Hungary is a very pleasant place, but it has its ups and downs. I suggest many more visits before you choose to live there. People say good and bad areas, but really it depends on what you want from a area. We lived in the 7th district of Budapest, it took us 4 months to find out this was a bad area, a Hungarian told us it was! The whole time we lived there we never had one problem or saw any problems. I found Hungarian Letting agents very helpful, much better than English agents, they listened to our list of wants and then advised us and drove us around a few areas so we could see what they were like. |
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Hello Darren,
Are you still searching for a property? Ester |
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Hi Darren,
It might be wise to just drive around the villages till you find one you fancy. Look out for houses with "ELADO" (for sale) notices in the window...you'll see many of them. Take the phone number and then ask a Hungarian speaker to enquire re price as many village peeps have an unrealistic approach to monies when it comes to foreigners. Hungary has been suffering a huge recession over the last 5 years. The HUF is falling and repayments are sky high for mortgages taken out in CHF or JPY. Times are hard. There are huge bargains to be had....just stay away from the agents (if you can). I my experience (we buy flats in Budapest), the difference between the asking and the selling price is between 20% and 35%. And good luck! |
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Indeed at the moment it is a very good time to buy or to invest in property ( from a private seller)
But you have to be aware of the fact that if you should buy a house with a lot of work on it that the building material costs are slowly expensive. Look also if the walls are dry, many people are not thinking on that. Ester |
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Hi Darren, as littlelambfound says, now is a buyers market (as it is in most of Europe).
I totally agree about the agents charges and that is why we set up a service to find properties for clients direct from the owners as so many people were/are being ripped off:thumbdown: Also, beware of companies who act as an "introduction agency" between you and the seller, these claim that they do not sell property but instead introduce the buyer and seller to each other with their fee being paid by the seller. In two cases that I came across, the fee was 3000 euro!!! Unfortunately, many people are only here for a few days and do not have the time to research villages or drive round looking for elado signs, which is where we help. We also advise people, if undertaking the search themselves, to research the prices before coming over as many sellers are inflating the prices even for direct sales. It's understandable really, if the house next door sold via an agent for 50,000 then you believe that's what your house is worth when a foreigner comes knocking. In these instances we advise people to offer the "real" value and if they refuse, walk away. Hi Ester, again I have to agree that some materials, wood is one which instantly springs to mind, are expensive. However, renovation costs needn't be astronomical and it's more the cowboys and over inflated quotes that you have to watch out for. Dampness is definitely an issue and I hope, when I have time, to write a sticky thread detailing what to look out for when buying property for renovation, particularly with the adobe houses. Fortunately most of the issues can be remedied, its when you find someone has bought a house smack bang on top of an underground stream, in an area with a high water level, that you start to worry :ohmy: |
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Hello Rural Hungary,
I`m living for 13 years in Hungary in those years the prices went up like crazy, of course it`s still cheaper than many other countries in Europe. But for the Hungarian people it is much to expensive. About the problem with dampness, this is a common thing by many Hungarian houses and that is not only from houses who are builded on a underground stream. This years we had a bad summer with many rain, and during this time it was very clear to see how many houses have this problem. Yes and indeed there are also good real estate around in Hungary and the same is with private sellers. To have a holiday house or permanent living in Hungary is fantastic :) Ester |
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Hi Ester, agree it is definitely still value for money here (if you don't pay over the odds). In many villages it is cheaper than Bulgaria and other Eastern European countries but with the advantage of being more Westernised than the aforementioned.
We were aware of the high water levels and subsequent damp problems before buying here, the number of ditches kind of gave it away;) As such, we bought a house with high foundations, only the front of the house is nearly at ground level. It's amazing though the number of properties that are sold in the summer when the walls dry out, they're given a coat of paint to look as good as new then come the winter, the damp reappears:frown: |
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I completely agree with you, they know that the most people who are searching for a property are coming in the summertime.
When we bought our first house we knew about this damp problem...many people don`t. It is sad to see if people who are coming for a holiday have to work the whole time to repair their holiday house. I was and still am suprised about the prices what many real estate agents are asking at the moment for a property, we just bought our second house our first house is for sale now...but not for such a sky high price Ester |
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HI GUYS THANKS FOR ALL THE INFORMATION THAT EVERYONE IS POSTING !! IT IS VERY INTERESTING TO KNOW ALL THE UP's & DOWN's, FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE IT !! ME AND THE WIFE ARE PLANNING OR NEXT TRIP TO HUNGARY FOR DECEMBER. JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS. AS WE HAVE ALREDY THOUGHT ABOUT SEEING HUNGARY IN THE WINTER TIME AS THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE BBEN IT IS SUMMER. WHEN ALL LOOKS VERY NICE AND PEACEFULL. AS I HAVE SAID ALREADY WE PLAN ON LIVING OUT THERE SO WE NEEDED TO SEE THE WINTER ! THE BAD WEATHER ! THE DAMP ! MAYBE SNOW ! WE NEED TO SEE IT ALL AS IT IS A BIG CHANGE FOR US TO TOTALY MOVE TO A NEW COUNTRY, WE HAVE SEEN A LITTLE HOUSE NEAR SOPRON AREA, IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AREA PLEASE LET US KNOW !!! WE PLAN ON MOVING WITH OUR DOGS, ALSO CAN ANYONE TELL US ABOUT CAR TAX & INSURANCE ? e.g IS IT VERY EXPENSIVE ? ANY INFORMATION ON ANY OF THE ABOVE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED
MANY THANKS |
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Hello,
If you have more than 3 dogs than you must be sure that the village doesn`t have a problem with it. We are also breeding dogs and our village doesn`t have a problem with this because there are also some farmers overhere with cattle. You can speak with the local major about this but be also aware that if there is a new major coming that he or she can have a problem with this. The car tax you have to pay to the village/city where you are living in we pay for our ford escort van Huf 19320 a year. Insurance is for the same car Huf 10370 every 3 months. If you want to import a business car ( max 3 person car ) than you don`t have to pay this so called import tax, but the car must be official tested before you get the hungarian nummerplate. To import a person car is way to expensive than it`s better to buy a car overhere. Ester |
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Hi BRUMYAM, we have only travelled through that area once, so can't really advise you on it but I do remember it being quite pretty. The only negative I could think of might be transport links, if relevant, I would check the bus and train schedules.
With regards to cars, there are a couple of threads which maybe useful here and here. Excellent information Ester J, I didn't realise you could only keep 3 dogs (is that by law?). Is it better to have a license to breed, if there is such a thing, in case a "new mayor" does take issue? We wondered how this worked as there are several "activities" (nothing untoward) carried out in our village which, to the best of our knowledge, are carried out with the consent of the mayor. Come October, we may have a new mayor and have discussed how this will affect said "activities" ;) |
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And talking of village dogs in Hungary....
If you love or care for animals, be prepared for a totally different view from your neighbours. In the village of my in-laws everyone has a dog, and never have I seen such a lot of sad, dirty, underfed and badly kept animals. Of cause most of the peeps are poor, but it really boils down to a total disregard to animal welfare. Hope I haven't opened a can of worms here. |
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Hi littlelambfound, if you think animal welfare in Hungary is bad.... you should visit Bulgaria!
Admittedly, many Hungarians do not keep animals as pets with most dogs living their entire lives in a dog kennel and never leaving their garden. However, in our village the majority are well fed and "cared for" to an extent. I have witnessed fewer episodes of animal cruelty here than I did in Ireland (that's another can of worms). That said, they definitely do not have the same affection for dogs or cats that the British do and find it hilarious when our pooch is walked, wearing her fleece, to the shop.;) |
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Yes unfortunately its a law :(
We have an official kennel registered by the FCI and by the MEOE ( kennelclub from Hungary) who is also member from the FCI. If it is for example an activity the major will not take quick steps to make troubles, because more people in a village/city brings also more money in It goes about the fact if somebody is living in a village with more than 3 dogs, if a major want than he or she can make problems. If a major makes problems than you have only 1 month time to get rid of your dogs or to move or whatever :( We have in this village a forest close to us..just 3 minutes by car, if we go with our dogs to the forest we do it by car. The reason for this is that in many Hungarian villages are walking dogs free on the street if you have for example a breed like we have or like Darren the Dogue De Bordeaux, and it comes to a fight (can always happen) than they will put always the blaim by you. In the forest or fields it is perfect walking with your dogs this because there are not so many people in Hungary who are walking with their dog(s) In the 13 year we are walking with the dogs we never saw another dog in the forest If everything goes well than this village will get a major who can speak perfect English..what a shame we waited 13 years for that and now that we will move soon it will happen hahahaha You are right littlelambfound, it is a BIG shame how many people in Hungary are treating/keeping their dogs. There is just a new law that it is not allowed anymore to chain your dog for several hours after eachother...but the Biggest question is ..who will controll this Of course Rural Hungary there are always countries where it is worse Ester J |
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THE LAST FEW POST'S ARE VERY INTERESTING READING FOR ME, THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THESE ISSUE'S UP. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF I WAS TO GET A HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF THE VILLAGE OR IN THE COUNTRY SIDE DOES THESE PROBLEMS STILL THAKE AFFECT ??? ONLY WE HAVE 7 DOGUE DE BORDEAUXS AT THE MOMENT BUT WE NOW HAVE SOME PUPS SO I MAY HAVE A DOZEN BY THE TIME WE WERE TO MOVE TO HUNGARY. SO I REALLY NEED TO FIND A PLACE WERE I WILL NOT BE UPSETTING ANYONE !! AS THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAPPEN. I WILL BE A STRANGE PERSON WITH A LOT OF BIG DOGS MOVING INTO A COMMUNITEE WERE I WANT TO GET ON WITH EVERYONE !!! I WANT MY DOGS TO BE ACCEPTIED AS WELL AS ME & MY WIFE
MANY THANKS |
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Hi Ester and Littlelambfound, can I ask what areas you talking about? I am wondering whether there are differences between various regions of Hungary as we had previously commented on the lack of stray dogs, both in our village and the surrounding towns and villages. Particularly in comparison to other European countries that we have visited. We never see dogs straying in our village through the day and only once of an evening time have we seen a stray.
In the towns of Nagykanizsa, Keszthely, Zalakaros and Zalaegerszeg I can't recall ever seeing a stray dog and there are plenty of owners walking their animals. In the villages around us, though the dogs are chained and kenneled, they are definitely fed and looked after - regular rabies shots, vaccinations and many of them are walked; albeit without leads. Just wondered :unsure: |
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Hi again BRUMYAM, I would suggest discussing your plans with potential neighbours and the mayor (through a translator). As Ester commented, most rural villages welcome any form of business so have a chat with them and gauge their reaction.:)
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My wife's folks are in Bátonyterenye near Salgótarján, north of BP. Almost every house has a least one huge dog which noisily throws itself at the fence (that separates you from certain, bloody death!) with wild abandon. Walking the streets sometimes with my young son makes me nervous. The next door neighbour has a huge, dirty, carpet/mop-headed dog, which my boy always felt sorry for. But this last August, the owner told us that my son should never pat the dog, as it just bit the finger off his daughter!
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I`m speaking about the villages from north to south and from west to east
Indeed in the cities there are more people walking with their dogs, and overthere you don`t see many stray dogs. A lot of dogs don`t have a normal behaviour because they never got their socialisation, those dogs are chained for years, you cannot blaim the dogs for this behaviour. The main reason that people are having a dog is to keep thiefs away..nothing more and nothing less. To be realy honest I don`t think that we all together don`t even want to know how many stry dogs are killed in order from the majors in Hungary. The same is counting for the dogs who are killed by hunters, something what is already forbidden for many years but still happens. Many hunters are thinking that they are standing above the law...but the only thing what they have more than you and me, is a hunting licence. Only a hunting chief can shoot on a dog...but only if the dog is realy trying to catch a wild animal, and in the most cases it`s a deer because a wild boar is for the most dogs simply to strong. BTW my husband went out of hunting together with Hungarian hunters for a lot of years, he stopped with this because to many from them are drunk and are shooting on everything what moves. When my husband had to hide himself together with his friend behind a tree because a very old almost blind hunter was shooting around like mad, it was enough for him. When my husband asked the hunting chief why they did not took his hunting licence away from this old man, the answer was that they felt sorry for him .. even that he is almost blind it is still his biggest hobby and he waited a whole year for this time. In many regions the drive hunt is already stopped after a few weeks by the government because a hunter shoot his hunting buddy down instead of a wild boar Ester J |
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Hi Ester, I'm not so sure if they are all the same, not in our area anyhow.
The picture painted reminds me so much of what we experienced in Bulgaria, starving dogs living in their own filth, dirty & mange ridden and regularly given a kick or whack with a stick; as animal lovers, it was one of the reasons for not buying there. However, in ours and neighbouring villages, moreso the touristy villages, the dogs are generally well kept with many of them roaming the garden, sociable enough not to bite your hand off when you pet them and only chained when the neighbour is not around or at night. Granted there are some who do not socialise the dog at all and these are the ones that I am wary of when we walk our dog, however, one of these is the best fed and fattest Rottwieler I have ever seen. So perhaps things are slowly changing, even if only in our area or areas with a high number of foreigners, I do hope so :fingerscrossed: I was very interested to hear about the law regarding chaining your dog. I completely agree that it will be near impossible to enforce but at least there is now a law:unsure: Is there a specific number of hours that the dog can be changed for? Also, are there laws in Hungary, as in the UK, that govern ownership of certain breeds such as Rottwielers etc? |
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First of all I want to say that we see more positive parts than negative parts if it goes about living in Hungary that`s why we are living for 13 years overhere.
Because I want to inform people on the right way I will also tell them the negative parts from Hungary, it should be not so nice if people find out that they have to leave their new place because there is some law excisting that you may not have more than 3 dogs at your place. Every country haves his good parts but also their negative parts and it is very important to look at the negative parts too..almost even more important than looking at the positive parts Dogs may be only chained for a few hours a day The only breed what is forbidden overhere is the pit bull, but in november there will be a court. This because a minister saw the light that it is not the breed but the owners who are responsible for their dogs. Same like in the Netherlands they took this breed ban away ...finally My husband was several years ago in Romania...dead dogs/cats all over the highways, realy terrible Ester J |
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Hi Ester, no you are absolutely right, there is no point in people coming with "rose tinted spectacles" on and I for one found the information on the "3 dog rule" very interesting as I had never heard of it before. Further, I didn't realise that you needed a license to breed dogs, to run a dog kennels yes but not to breed them. As there have been a few expats considering breeding dogs, this is very useful information.
I genuinely am interested in whether the treatment of animals in Hungary differs depending on the region as I am aware, to the best of my knowledge, that the social issues with regards to poverty and Roma are worse in the East and North and wondered whether the treatment of animals is the same. When travelling from Romania to Hungary, we noticed far more dogs living in conditions similar to those in Bulgaria and Romania though here in the West, the problem seems slightly better. I wonder if this is Western influence? Your husbands description of Romania echoes what we saw in Bulgaria, opening a dustbin in town to dispose of rubbish, you were often faced with a dead cat or dog... not nice:ohmy: |
Re: WE ARE THINKING OF MOVING TO HUNGARY
You don`t need a licence to breed, but if you want to breed a breed with the official FCI pedigree than you have to be member from the hungarian kennelclub (MEOE)
Dogs from abroad have to be registered by this club before you can start with breeding. You may breed 3 litters without paying tax, but...again who will control this. The kennelclub is not giving any iformation to the tax office..a few years ago they had a court and the kennelclub won the case...according the judge it is a dog organisation and they are not an employee from any tax office...I love this country hahahahahaha For people from abroad is it very important to ask a Export pedigree in their home country before they want to register the dogs overhere by the kennelclub, without this export paper it is not possible to register Yes hopefully those countries will learn how to treat dogs/cats etc in a better way. Like you wrote before in Hungary in the towns you can already see the difference...in the villages it is in our eyes still bad. Ester J |
Re: WE ARE THINKING OF MOVING TO HUNGARY
Originally Posted by Ester J
(Post 8851126)
according the judge it is a dog organisation and they are not an employee from any tax office...I love this country hahahahahaha
Originally Posted by Ester J
(Post 8851126)
in the villages it is in our eyes still bad.
Thanks again for your posts, they are extremely useful and I for one have learnt from them :thumbup: |
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